Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #6

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  • #621
Does anyone think that CW wanted to get caught? He was suddenly thrust back into real life and on the run. Going from shackled and held in a cell to freedom and expectations of making decisions and executing their plan. I think he was overwhelmed and maybe staying holed up in the motel room was his attempt at adjusting. Parading in front of the cameras at the car wash exposing his tats makes me think he was ready for it to be over. Dumping that truck there was probably the dumbest move those two made. JMO
I agree. I work at an inpatient psych facility, some of my patients are going to jail when they are discharged and we have many frequent fliers. I’ve asked them sometimes why they keep coming back to us and they always say it’s easy here, just like in jail. They don’t have to worry about money, a place to sleep, food. They thrive on the structured routine. They know what time they’re going to sleep, what time they’re waking up, what time they’re eating, etc and they don’t have to think about it. They know what they’re allowed to do for free time, they know when visiting hours are, they just get in line and do as they’re told. It’s more comfortable for them to be in than out. I can see someone with a mental illness and possibly anger issues, who functions much better under structure and a strict medication schedule, preferring that environment. Not to mention if he had been on heavy duty psych meds and abruptly stopped the day they escaped, he was probably feeling really bad both physically and mentally and he might’ve been ready to go back to his normal. My personal experience and opinion only.
 
  • #622
IMO, we have to remember that he'd spent a long time prior to the escape in prisons and jails. Maybe an actual bed, an actual room, a TV not shared in some inmate recreation room, eating what he wanted when he wanted it, no all night shouting from prisoners nearby, whatever---maybe it felt luxurious.

They certainly had the money to stay in a cleaner and much nicer place, but that would likely be more high profile, more subject to careful check on who they were, more scrutiny all around.

Someone pages or threads ago also alluded to the homeless guy who did the check-in as a culpable third party who got his punishment by "having" to stay in this hotel for five extra days after CW and VW went on their last ride.

I think it's important that we don't put our own perspective of comfort on people who slept on the streets or in a jail cell prior to this (admittedly shabby) motel.

Unless Vicky wrote a journal, or left letters for her family or something, the only explanation we will ever get is from a deranged, violent criminal whose self-interest will be paramount in his version of the story.

All that's left is the unanswerable, and the grief I feel for her sorrowing, hurt and bewildered family.

JMO
I've been on the streets, chronically homeless. Having a shower and a real bed was always luxurious, no matter how crappy the motel, lol
 
  • #623
I agree. I work at an inpatient psych facility, some of my patients are going to jail when they are discharged and we have many frequent fliers. I’ve asked them sometimes why they keep coming back to us and they always say it’s easy here, just like in jail. They don’t have to worry about money, a place to sleep, food. They thrive on the structured routine. They know what time they’re going to sleep, what time they’re waking up, what time they’re eating, etc and they don’t have to think about it. They know what they’re allowed to do for free time, they know when visiting hours are, they just get in line and do as they’re told. It’s more comfortable for them to be in than out. I can see someone with a mental illness and possibly anger issues, who functions much better under structure and a strict medication schedule, preferring that environment. Not to mention if he had been on heavy duty psych meds and abruptly stopped the day they escaped, he was probably feeling really bad both physically and mentally and he might’ve been ready to go back to his normal. My personal experience and opinion only.
Absolutely 100% agree. I have a cousin who has been in and out of prison. He is what is called 'institutionalized'.
 
  • #624
In the officers report she was holding a black semi automatic handgun. It doesn't appear any other gun was retrieved from the inside of the car that was easily accessible. So, if there was going to be a shootout he would be driving and she would have been the one trying to kill other police officers. This is so sad. jmo.
 
  • #625
IMO, we have to remember that he'd spent a long time prior to the escape in prisons and jails. Maybe an actual bed, an actual room, a TV not shared in some inmate recreation room, eating what he wanted when he wanted it, no all night shouting from prisoners nearby, whatever---maybe it felt luxurious.

They certainly had the money to stay in a cleaner and much nicer place, but that would likely be more high profile, more subject to careful check on who they were, more scrutiny all around.

Someone pages or threads ago also alluded to the homeless guy who did the check-in as a culpable third party who got his punishment by "having" to stay in this hotel for five extra days after CW and VW went on their last ride.

I think it's important that we don't put our own perspective of comfort on people who slept on the streets or in a jail cell prior to this (admittedly shabby) motel.

Unless Vicky wrote a journal, or left letters for her family or something, the only explanation we will ever get is from a deranged, violent criminal whose self-interest will be paramount in his version of the story.

All that's left is the unanswerable, and the grief I feel for her sorrowing, hurt and bewildered family.

JMO
I've stayed in a Motel 6. They are not what they used to be! Better than jail? Perhaps. Any port in a storm as they say. I was just responding to someone who posted how comfy he must have felt there. I should have quoted that post to make myself clearer. My bad.

I love a cheap/unrenovated hotel. As long as it's clean, safe enough location and no bed bugs. I'm no snob.

People are looking for conflict between Pancho & Lefty here. They had their chosen enemy and it wasn't each other, in my view.

RIP, Vicky or Miss Vicky as many call her in their sweet Southern lingo

MOO
 
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That alleged comment has not been verified, or even offered up for verification, by way of any link here. It is highly questionable whether or not it was made, or misunderstood by someone.
I actually also did hear it at one point, and took note of it, but yes, it’s not verified.
 
  • #627
I actually also did hear it at one point, and took note of it, but yes, it’s not verified.
Do you recall where you heard it? Did you also hear her asking that the chase be called off, as I assume that would have been the same audio?
 
  • #628
A jailer ran off with a murder suspect. Her death deepened the mystery. – The Washington Post
<snipped & BBM>
“She’s not a big talker,” Lauderdale County District Attorney Chris Connolly said in an interview this week. “She wasn’t chatty.”

“She just did her job,” he added — until April 29.

[...]

That job was tough, said Jason Butler, the county’s director of corrections. Inmates could be violent and verbally abusive, he said, and sometimes Vicky White talked about quitting.

[...]

“She was a hands-on person,” Connolly said, and she “didn’t have bureaucracy get in the way of making things happen.”

[...]

Renee Smith Hamm told The Post that Vicky White would always wave to her from the front porch. She recounted growing up with White in the area — they were best friends in school — and “getting in little troubles, having fun.”

She loved her mom and daddy so much, and I can’t see her just up and leaving,” the 58-year-old said. “It hurts,” she said later, tearing up.

[...]

Connolly, the district attorney, has listened to some of investigators’ interviews with Casey White and said the prisoner claimed that Vicky White was his “only friend … in the world.” But he puts little stock in those words.
 
  • #629
Just another thought process here on the 'help me' possible quote. She was talking to CW. Its been stated they wanted a shoot out at the hotel. She had one gun in her hand and wanted him to get back to the hotel. Maybe the 'help me' was to get another firearm ready. I do not think she was asking for help from 911. Possible the airbag jerked the gun and she accidentally shot herself... but she knew she was caught. She knew her future. He can adapt to prison, he chose that over death. She couldn't.
 
  • #630
Do you recall where you heard it? Did you also hear her asking that the chase be called off, as I assume that would have been the same audio?
I only recall feeling bad for her as I heard, “Help” or “help me”. No, I heard nothing about calling off the chase. I thought I heard “Stop!” but I thought she was talking to Casey…
 
  • #631
I only recall feeling bad for her as I heard, “Help” or “help me”. No, I heard nothing about calling off the chase. I thought I heard “Stop!” but I thought she was talking to Casey…
I am all but certain that she was talking to CW when she made those statements. I have heard nothing at all that leads me to believe she was at any time engaging with the 9-1-1 dispatcher.
 
  • #632
I don’t believe that Vicky’s age had anything to do with her lack of social media presence.

First responders, corrections officials and workers are encouraged to stay away from SM so that people like Casey White can’t locate them in their private lives. It’s a way to protect themselves and family from harm if an inmate has an axe to grind.

I know of a guy that works in a prison. Mail is delivered to a PO Box not home. No one in family uses SM. Food is never delivered - they pick up. No trail.
This is very true. My son is retired LE and didn't want the neighbors to even know it. It's really shocking how SM is searched for info by criminals and even foreign groups. Whole families are even trolled. It's amazing the details they find and use. The good thing is it works both ways.
 
  • #633
Many have speculated he is a psychopath. His appeals attorney stated he is on pysch meds. I wonder how, when on the run he had meds, if he did? And states how he is a different person when on meds. I think sociopath is a more probable dx because for however brief of a moment he showed he cared. I do not think he was a dancing pansy. He is 100% responsible here as much as she is. I believe he could have killed her and taken all the money and car but didn't. Why? Link if for attorney comments (buried deep in article) May 10 Alabama fugitive news. ***edited for wording

Even if CW didn’t care much for her, and we have no idea what his true feelings were, she was useful. VW was able to move around in public freely, likely unnoticed, but he couldn’t.

It looks like he stayed mostly in the bay at the car wash and maybe he did not think he would be picked up by cameras. I think reports say he was involved in the truck purchase but that was before anyone knew they were missing so there weren’t any news reports to alert the seller. It will be interesting to see if “up close” surveillance videos surface.

Jmo
 
  • #634
I wonder if she called her mother on Mothers Day?
 
  • #635
There was a post about CW turning back and looking at the Cadillac wih VW inside, in the LE video. He is only human so its his natural reaction to do so. But especially because a person who heartfully helped him shot themselves in that car. I'm sure he realizes he's responsible in part for her demise. So that's why he's looking back. But love, no I don't think so. If it was love it wouldn't have ended like this. MOO.

I may have missed him looking back at the wreck but the only thing I saw him looking back and down at were his hands as the officers held onto him. Jmo
 
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Right? It's appalling she's not even buried and they are making money off this story. It's a morality tale about crime and punishment, not a lame Kardashian scandal.
Jmo
Everything is a lame Kardashian scandal now.

We have to face facts that there is a real problem with the contamination of journalism with scandalmongering and vulgar voyeurism of people's lives.
 
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DBM
 
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  • #640
Why didn't Vicky just call an Uber to go to work instead of calling her co-worker to pick her up claiming she locked her keys in her car???
She might not have ever used Uber.
 
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