Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #6

[Rocky Mountain Hi]

He went willingly Is my guess.

Going willingly when you're released is normal. The question is, would the action she took qualify as a "release". It wasn't an official one, that's for sure.

 

[Snoop Sister]

He didn't voluntarily turn himself in at any point, though. I don't believe Vicky held him at gunpoint when they interacted with others, such as when buying cars and passing through the hotel. He was separated from her at the car wash. Could've told someone or made a call.

It's moot IMO as I'm sure he was in on the plan.

I think a good defence lawyer could do wonders. There is no actual proof though that he was in on the plan. Although, of course I do think he was. However, in actual fact he did not escape but was released.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Don’t know if this helps, but when I encounter a paywall I clear or delete history on my browsers ( I use both Chrome and Safari). After that I open the link again with no paywall. Works every time.
JMO

@Cindizzi thank-you for your help I truly appreciate it, but that did not work for me.

I just clicked on the Fox News article posted here and ran into the box telling me turn off my ad blocker, well I am not doing that. There are plenty of news outlets that anyone can click on and are taken to articles without any of that time wasting crap.

I guess that I am going to have a sticky noted placed on my monitor with a list of links not to waste my time clicking on.

Thank-you Cindizzi for attempting to help me you little Angel.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Hi Concernedmother, thank-you for the link, but it is behind a paywall so I cannot read it.

There should be a law here about posting links to paywall articles, I was all ready to read the article and my eyes captured 1 sentence before the paywall pop-up boxed obstructed the article. I do not pay for subscriptions to any news websites.

So my note to self, do not bother clicking on any links posted from the Washington Post.

Thank-you though for posting the sentence from the link that you want us to read.

If you use Chrome, you can open the link in an incognito window and it will work.

 

[Thora_Jay]

This was posted a few posts behind mine. I went to it and no problem at all reading it. I dont pay for anything. lol Didnt know it was a paywall. Sorry.

@concernedmother, no problem lol I have it written down not to click on that website lol

 

[concernedmother]

@Cindizzi thank-you for your help I truly appreciate it, but that did not work for me.

I just clicked on the Fox News article posted here and ran into the box telling me turn off my , well I am not doing that. There are plenty of news outlets that anyone can click on and are taken to articles without any of that time wasting crap.

I guess that I am going to have a sticky noted placed on my monitor with a list of links not to waste my time clicking on.

Thank-you Cindizzi for attempting to help me you little Angel.

Again. Im sorry. I didnt know it was a paywall. (I wouldnt pay either.) Someone shared that link earlier and I didnt have any trouble reading it.No idea. But the line I posted was the one I wanted to share.

edited to say we were posting at the same time and you did see my apology.

 

[SteveP]

I am in no way defending VW's actions. I do not believe they can be defended. Having said that, we, as law abiding citizens, I assume, probably only see convicts when we watch the news. I doubt that many of us truly know any, even if we know OF one or two, and for most here, likely none are part of our daily lives. Vicki's life, for probably 40 hours a week, for 17 years, was being with inmates. In a very real sense, they were part of her "work family", and she undoubtedly allowed herself to see them as more than just prisoners. I am sure that everyone who works in that environment gets to "know" the inmates, over time, to some extent. Did she cross a line that she should certainly have known better than to cross, professionally? Absolutely! In doing so, did she betray the trust placed in her by Lauderdale County? Absolutely. Sadly, I think at a time when she may have been particularly vulnerable, crossing that line ended up costing her not only her job and her freedom, but ultimately, her life. JMO

 

[Thora_Jay]

Again. Im sorry. I didnt know it was a paywall. (I wouldnt pay either.) Someone shared that link earlier and I didnt have any trouble reading it.No idea. But the line I posted was the one I wanted to share.

edited to say we were posting at the same time and you did see my apology.

@concernedmother, do not be sorry my dear.

 

[Rocky Mountain Hi]

I think a good defence lawyer could do wonders. There is no actual proof though that he was in on the plan. Although, of course I do think he was. However, in actual fact he did not escape but was released.

Define "released". Normally, a release of a prisoner is accompanied by paperwork. If he were to plead ignorance of the escape plan, his argument would be, that all he knew is, that he was scheduled for a medical appointment, and was getting in the police car to go there. That's not a "release".

Then, suddenly, the assistant jail manager drives off with him, ditches the police vehicle, puts him in a civilian vehicle and from his perspective, hijacks him.

That's not a "release".

A doctor appointment isn't a "release". And most legit releases don't involve the deputy director of the jail racing off with the "former" prisoner on some kind of joy ride.

How do releases occur, anyway? Are the parolees dropped off at a bus station? Do they just walk out the door of the jail or prison, and fend for themselves, no matter how remote the location may be?

When putting the "release" angle under a magnifying glass, I don't see how it would hold up in court. But it was an intriguing suggestion. If you have a better argument, I'm game.

 

[Arkay]

Going willingly when you're released is normal. The question is, would the action she took qualify as a "release". It wasn't an official one, that's for sure.

I think a good defence lawyer could do wonders. There is no actual proof though that he was in on the plan. Although, of course I do think he was. However, in actual fact he did not escape but was released.

He wasn't released; he was sprung.

On the slimmest chance that he didn't know about it beforehand, he surely did when she removed his handcuffs and shackles and they took off. They were fugitives together. IMO he was her accomplice, almost definitely in on the plan beforehand, but hiding out afterwards makes him culpable as well.

IANAL but IMO this is obvious.

Waiting for our WS lawyers to weigh in when they have an opportunity.

ETA: Hi @Rocky Mountain Hi seems we wrote at the same time, but you explained it more thoroughly, thanks

 

[concernedmother]

He wasn't released; he was sprung.

On the slimmest chance that he didn't know about it beforehand, he surely did when she removed his handcuffs and shackles and they took off. They were fugitives together. IMO he was her accomplice, almost definitely in on the plan beforehand, but hiding out afterwards makes him culpable as well.

IANAL but IMO this is obvious.

Waiting for our WS lawyers to weigh in when they have an opportunity.

But but but. lol He had severe mental problems. He was just along for the ride with his only friend. (His defense lawyer will try to argue.) Not that it will do any good. lol jmo

 

[Luna20]

Is there any proof she had 90,000 on her person when she fled? It is assumed she did, but in actual fact, did she?

Some hush money as well?

They found 29K left in their stash but without the info on the cost of the vehicles, food & lodging, clothing, gas, hush money, etc it’s difficult to know what all they started out with. And the firearms…not sure if they were previously owned.

 

[concernedmother]

They found 29K left in their stash but without the info on the cost of the vehicles, food & lodging, clothing, gas, hush money, etc it’s difficult to know what all they started out with. And the firearms…not sure if they were previously owned.

It was reported she withdrew $90,000 cash from multiple banks. But how much she actually took know one will probably know. Still where would you stash any of the cash if you was on the run?

 

[WichitaFalls]

“I understand I’ve be the subject of all kinds of memes on social media – my voice, my looks, and everything else,’’ he said. “I learned a long time ago not to let that bother me. I’ve even been called Buford T. Justice.”

Make no mistake about it though, there’s a lot more to Singleton than his southern accent and his shiny badge.

The north Alabama native is a husband, father, grandfather, and former owner of a family barbecue restaurant and an ambulance service.

He builds model trains, toils in the garden, sang in a barbershop quartet and, perhaps most surprising, spent at least a decade as professional wrestler with the National Wrestling Alliance, where he even headlined a few main events as Dr. Death. His wrestling mask and boots are proudly displayed in his office…

Singleton said he’s not totally surprised that Vicky White took her only life.

“And probably having to spend several years, if not the rest of her life in prison, because she’s worked in a jail setting for 17 years and she knows what it’s like on the inside. So given those factors, I’m not totally surprised.”


“I’m angry at her right now,’’ he said. “During all this I didn’t like her, but I still loved her. "

“Knowing Vicky White and I’m just being totally honest, I don’t think the charges against her were as much of a concern to her as her having to come back here and face her family and her friends after pulling a stunt like this,’’ he said.

In the hunt for Vicky White, Casey White, a retiring Alabama sheriff shared ‘the good, the bad and the ugly’ with the world

Lauderdale County Sheriff Rick Singleton, a former wrestler who owned a BBQ joint, says "when something bad happens ... I’m supposed to step up."

www.al.com

With all due respect. I'm sure Sheriff Singleton is a nice and respected member of his community. He's led an interesting life and with the limited exposure we've had of him in the past weeks, I would guess he's a wonderful grandfather and good friend to many, but MOO he is not up to the standards that his position requires. His press conferences were peppered with inaccurate information. He bears a degree of responsibility for this situation as do other county employees within the county sheriff's office.

 

[Elley Mae]

But but but. lol He had severe mental problems. He was just along for the ride with his only friend. (His defense lawyer will try to argue.) Not that it will do any good. lol jmo

He thought he had a mental health evaluation.

Lol

 

[concernedmother]

With all due respect. I'm sure Sheriff Singleton is a nice and respected member of his community. He's led an interesting life and with the limited exposure we've had of him in the past weeks, I would guess he's a wonderful grandfather and good friend to many, but MOO he is not up to the standards that his position requires. His press conferences were peppered with inaccurate information. He bears a degree of responsibility for this situation as do other county employees within the county sheriff's office.

I really don't buy that no one knew anything or saw anything. One article said inmates said they had a romantic relationship. I wouldn't think even if coworkers saw or suspected anything they would say anything because she was above them and could fire them. Even now they would probably be in trouble because they didn't say anything if they spoke out. I really don't see how that could have went unnoticed for so long. jmo.

 

[Thora_Jay]

Timeline of events during Vicky White’s call to 911

News 2 has pieced together a timeline of events regarding the moments Vicky White made a 911 call while her and Casey White were in the middle of a pursuit with police.

www.wkrn.com

Who listened to the call from that news station and translated it with some of the words they printed?

Operator: “Be advised the female did call in. We could hear her saying she had her finger on the trigger.”

BBM Can someone please point out where the dispatcher is concocting that from? Where is the audio of Vicky allegedly stating that? If they are going to release audio then all of the audio needs to be released backing up their claims.

Vicky: “Airbags are going off. Let’s get out and run. He was by the [explitive] motel.”

BBM That is not what she stated.

I do not believe that Vicky called 911. Even though it is claimed that the call came from her vehicle, it could have been from her dropped phone lying in the vehicle somewhere and it was not on speaker phone so therefore neither Vicky nor Casey would be able to hear it with all that was going on.

My opinions only

 

[CharlestonGal]

I have mixed emotions about this.

If it alleviated the pain of any mother, I can understand that the compassion was helpful. I also am glad for whatever condolences being offered now that bring comfort to Vicky's family.

However, while I worked in a completely different profession, I learned the hard way that there have to be boundaries between the professional and the "clientele."

I'm retired now, but as a new teacher in NYC, I was a young mother and was very empathetic with my students. I taught 13 and 14- year old kids, and my daughter was just a few years younger. I understood that age group, was very compassionate, listened to their tales of woe, and did hug the kids that ran to me for that.

I was told by other teachers that I should NOT hug the kids. At all. Male or female. That people would misinterpret, or a kid would get too attached to me, and so on, but I felt I was giving them what they needed beyond the academic aspect (which is, of course, the actual job).

I withdrew from ever letting a boy hug me (I'm a female) but did at times hug the girls who were having family problems and were in despair. Just to be compassionate and let them know they weren't alone and had an adult who cared. In fact, the parents often told me how much the kids loved me and talked about me at home.

And what happened? Over the years, three different children developed an obsession with me. All girls, all 13 years old. One built a shrine to me, two were writing me love letters, all kept asking me to adopt them, all had dreams about me.

I did finally learn that the other teachers were right. There's a way to show compassion and care without getting too close. I had overstepped the boundaries and what was, to me, totally unforeseen did in fact develop.

That's the prism through which I see Vicky. Obviously I didn't commit any crimes but I realized that the students were idealizing me in a way that was very unhealthy. I wish, too late, that she had withdrawn into a professional demeanor with ALL the prisoners. It may have prevented the blossoming of her relationship with Casey.

Jmo and experience. Life lesson learned.

Agreed. Never in a million years would I have hugged an inmate. I'd probably have been fired on the spot. I don't hug patients either.

It's sounding to me like VW may have been a little confused about her role at the jail. Instead of acting like a professional corrections official she seems to have viewed herself as some kind of mother hen at a summer camp. Her boundaries seem to me to have been clearly inappropriate and weak in the setting of a jail.

I don't know what her educational opportunities were, but I think a career in social work or nursing would have been a better fit for her.

It's also astonishing to me that her superiors allowed her to be so openly familiar with inmates and never seem to have made any attempts to correct her. That's just a recipe for disaster. Which we have all just witnessed. IMO

 

[Megnut]

Seasoned correction officer didn't just spring a dangerous felon, she armed herself with cash, disguises, aliases and an arsenal.

Is that love? Or rage?

Who used whom here?

It's so easy to soften VW's culpability-- by blaming her actions on lonely heart syndrome or menopause or coercion/manipulation by a felon, but we all saw the video of her leading him out of the jailhouse. We hear about her sold house, well under market value, her emptied bank accounts, her abandoned dog and mother. She bought weapons and wigs and men's clothes. But perhaps most alarming we heard her own voice. "Let's run." Are we still going to count that as a lonely-heart maneuver?

Was the gun to her head supposed to be for LE's benefit? Forgetting they couldn't see through the tinted windows? Then an airbag forced the trigger? If it was willful, where was her dying pledge to CW? Where was the apology for leaving him to life in prison, now with no friends?

Were they leaving town? Had they been delayed in Indiana, waiting on sonething to aid in their forward progress?

Were they feeling emboldened, and didn't arm themselves to the hilt for that leg of the journey?

Was VW on a suicide mission from the start? Dating back possibly two years or more? Or did she think that was her only way out, in the moment?

Was she prepared for a shoot-out and wound up under-armed and vulnerable when the moment developed? Did she take the bullet she had earmarked for LE? Did she wrest the weapon from CW? Did she expect him to die by his own hand too? Suicide pact? Did they say their "I love you forever"s at the start or at the hotel -- to be battle ready when the last stand emerged?

What if VW's power went to her head? It would take steel nerves IMO or a compassionate heart that wore out -- to control where people go, what they wear, what they eat.

Is she a zookeeper who, on her last day, lets all the animals go free?

Or did she begin to fantasize about walking a felon out simply because she could? Did she find a kindred soul, in a medicated giant? Or did she enlist him to carry out her endgame?

She was not timid walking him out of jail nor IMO on the audio. To me, she was still giving instructions. To CW.

Maybe she never had a long game.

Maybe she was surprised they weren't found sooner. Was prepared for and waiting for the shoot-out and had no intention of surviving it.

While tragic for those who knew and loved her, and a betrayal of the same, maybe she went out on her terms, precisely as she set out to do.

Can't fathom it but she had a 1000 ways to prevent it but didn't.

Weird irony, however, and never minding a lot of details (like a car crash, a parking lot and a situation that literally went sideways) that she freed a felon and seemingly kept him in her custody until returning him to custody.

Maybe VW started to feel like a prisoner in her own life -- get up, go to work, eat supper, lather, rinse, repeat -- and she wanted to break free -- and die doing something outrageous. Out of character. Awfultacular.

CW will go back to his life as it was.

Perhaps VW didn't want the life she had anymore. So she killed it (the life) and then herself.

I'm thankful no one else was injured.

Not counting all the hearts.

JMO

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Timeline of events during Vicky White’s call to 911

News 2 has pieced together a timeline of events regarding the moments Vicky White made a 911 call while her and Casey White were in the middle of a pursuit with police.

www.wkrn.com

Who listened to the call from that news station and translated it with some of the words they printed?

Operator: “Be advised the female did call in. We could hear her saying she had her finger on the trigger.”

BBM Can someone please point out where the dispatcher is concocting that from? Where is the audio of Vicky allegedly stating that? If they are going to release audio then all of the audio needs to be released backing up their claims.

Vicky: “Airbags are going off. Let’s get out and run. He was by the [explitive] motel.”

BBM That is not what she stated.

I do not believe that Vicky called 911. Even though it is claimed that the call came from her vehicle, it could have been from her dropped phone lying in the vehicle somewhere and it was not on speaker phone so therefore neither Vicky nor Casey would be able to hear it with all that was going on.

My opinions only

Yes, I've never heard Vicky herself say she had her hand on the trigger in any of the audio I've heard. From what's been released it seemed like it was either a buttdial or OnStar dial.