Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White (Deceased), CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #6

[SMK777]

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The way that the Cadillac is rest on its side completely, how was Casey able to stay seated without falling on top of Vicky?

I highly doubt that he was in a seat belt. Then he was able to put both hands out of the window???

He had to have been literally standing on top of Vicky, how else would he be able to do that with all of the gravity from the position of the vehicle.

Yes, it’s extremely difficult to figure out.

I guess he was in a panic to show that he was surrendering, and as she had shot herself (which she had planned on so wasn’t a surprise to him) he did whatever he had to do at that point.

But was concerned enough to tell LE she needed aid.

 

[passionflower]

I do not know if any of you have ever been in an automobile when an air bag deploys in front of you, but as someone who has had one go off while I was behind the wheel of the car, I will tell you, it smacks you instantly, it smacks you hard, and it completely blocks your ability to see anything in front of you. If the marshals ramming their vehicle caused the driver side front air bag to deploy, momentarily disorienting CW, that is probably what caused VW to say "stop" immediately, talking to CW, before another one seemed to go off, followed by her saying "let's get out and run". I think it was likely in those few seconds at the beginning of the 7 minute audio that the car came to a full stop in the ditch, and LE quickly descended on it, and VW shot herself. Probably a sequence of events that took no more than about a half minute. An 11-day ordeal that ended in less than a minute. JMO

You are correct about airbags. My mother was disoriented and burnt by an airbag explosion. Left her with hearing problems.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Graphic question please scroll by if you do not wish to view it. It is a rollover question

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The way that the Cadillac is rest on its side completely, how was Casey able to stay seated without falling on top of Vicky?

I highly doubt that he was in a seat belt. Then he was able to put both hands out of the window???

He had to have been literally standing on top of Vicky, how else would he be able to do that with all of the gravity from the position of the vehicle.

He was so big and his legs so long the lower half of his body likely remained in the lower driver compartment. His upper body probably did come in contact somewhat with Vicky but he managed to swivel around and put his arms outside the window pretty quickly. I don't think he was ever standing on her. His legs likely remained under the steering wheel until LE forcibly pulled him out of there. The Cadillac did not actually roll over. They were T-boned on the driver's side and forced abruptly into the ditch.

 

[vls12345]

Graphic question please scroll by if you do not wish to view it. It is a rollover question

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The way that the Cadillac is rest on its side completely, how was Casey able to stay seated without falling on top of Vicky?

I highly doubt that he was in a seat belt. Then he was able to put both hands out of the window???

He had to have been literally standing on top of Vicky, how else would he be able to do that with all of the gravity from the position of the vehicle.

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I would imagine they were tossed together during the rollover. But, assuming the passenger door was the "ground", she could have been laying sideways perhaps, or maybe more in the floor area and he could have been standing on a part of the door that her body wasn't blocking. Or had a foot on the dashboard and one on the door/floor area. Maybe against a center console perhaps (if there is one). I think there were ways for him to stand and put his hands out the door without directly standing on her. Probably awkwardly standing, however it was happening, but not necessarily on her.

 

[Thora_Jay]

He was so big and his legs so long the lower half of his body likely remained in the lower driver compartment. His upper body probably did come in contact somewhat with Vicky but he managed to swivel around and put his arms outside the window pretty quickly. I don't think he was ever standing on her. His legs likely remained under the steering wheel until LE forcibly pulled him out of there. The Cadillac did not actually roll over. They were T-boned on the driver's side and forced abruptly into the ditch.

@CharlestonGal thank-you I should have worded it different stating half rollover instead of using rollover.
Thanks for the explanation because I was stomped wondering how he remained in a vehicle on it's side and remain upright.

 

[Thora_Jay]

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I would imagine they were tossed together during the rollover. But, assuming the passenger door was the "ground", she could have been laying sideways perhaps, or maybe more in the floor area and he could have been standing on a part of the door that her body wasn't blocking. Or had a foot on the dashboard and one on the door/floor area. Maybe against a center console perhaps (if there is one). I think there were ways for him to stand and put his hands out the door without directly standing on her. Probably awkwardly standing, however it was happening, but not necessarily on her.

@vls12345 thank-you!

 

[WingsOverTX]

She was the assistant director. I want to know what part the director of the jail played. I’d have thought he should have weighed in on policies, and what happened in the jail. Why has he been so silent? (Well, I think I know why.)

He should be relieved of command. His authority and credibility are goose eggs. If the sheriff wasn't retiring, I'd say the same about him.

Oh heck, I take it back. Singleton should go right now, too.

Civil & criminal investigation into every aspect of that jail and active implementation of changes needs to happen ASAP. Is it understaffed and overpopulated on a regular basis? I read it's at double capacity at times. Complacency can be deadly. Best practices need to be implemented at all of the state's jails.

Now about the prison system......from what I'm reading about the internal dangers there, it should be a deterrent to offenders. Not a place you want your actions to land you. Of course, the same thing could be said about many prisons across this country.

MOO

 

[Snoop Sister]

Wonder if she had been putting money on his commissary? I dont know how that works and if any deposits can be done anonymously? Is it against jail policy for a staffer to do this?

Would be against policy for sure for staff to do that. An inmate did a painting for me once and I put money in his canteen fund but this was pre approved by the Warden

 

[Seattle1]

Vanderburgh County, IN Sheriff's Office has released their police reports by responding officers at the link below:

2022-NR-0510

DATE: May 10, 2022 SUBJECT: Alabama Fugitives Arrested in Vanderburgh County RELEASE NUMBER: 2022-NR-0510 CONTACT: Sheriff Dave Wedding AUTHORITY: Sheriff

vanderburghsheriff.org

 

[Lillymac]

Don't be sorry or embarrassed, we all screw up! You meant well! You may have been correct, I have no idea. MOO

Thanks. I know I didn't make it up, but not really pertinent to the tragedy. So sad.

 

[Snoop Sister]

He was so big and his legs so long the lower half of his body likely remained in the lower driver compartment. His upper body probably did come in contact somewhat with Vicky but he managed to swivel around and put his arms outside the window pretty quickly. I don't think he was ever standing on her. His legs likely remained under the steering wheel until LE forcibly pulled him out of there. The Cadillac did not actually roll over. They were T-boned on the driver's side and forced abruptly into the ditch.

On google link, one of the LE’s statements indicated that CW’s shirt had blood all over it and was put in an evidence bag. The statement also said that CW was bleeding from his head.

 

[Iona]

Seasoned correction officer didn't just spring a dangerous felon, she armed herself with cash, disguises, aliases and an arsenal.

Is that love? Or rage?

Who used whom here?

It's so easy to soften VW's culpability-- by blaming her actions on lonely heart syndrome or menopause or coercion/manipulation by a felon, but we all saw the video of her leading him out of the jailhouse. We hear about her sold house, well under market value, her emptied bank accounts, her abandoned dog and mother. She bought weapons and wigs and men's clothes. But perhaps most alarming we heard her own voice. "Let's run." Are we still going to count that as a lonely-heart maneuver?

Was the gun to her head supposed to be for LE's benefit? Forgetting they couldn't see through the tinted windows? Then an airbag forced the trigger? If it was willful, where was her dying pledge to CW? Where was the apology for leaving him to life in prison, now with no friends?

Were they leaving town? Had they been delayed in Indiana, waiting on sonething to aid in their forward progress?

Were they feeling emboldened, and didn't arm themselves to the hilt for that leg of the journey?

Was VW on a suicide mission from the start? Dating back possibly two years or more? Or did she think that was her only way out, in the moment?

Was she prepared for a shoot-out and wound up under-armed and vulnerable when the moment developed? Did she take the bullet she had earmarked for LE? Did she wrest the weapon from CW? Did she expect him to die by his own hand too? Suicide pact? Did they say their "I love you forever"s at the start or at the hotel -- to be battle ready when the last stand emerged?

What if VW's power went to her head? It would take steel nerves IMO or a compassionate heart that wore out -- to control where people go, what they wear, what they eat.

Is she a zookeeper who, on her last day, lets all the animals go free?

Or did she begin to fantasize about walking a felon out simply because she could? Did she find a kindred soul, in a medicated giant? Or did she enlist him to carry out her endgame?

She was not timid walking him out of jail nor IMO on the audio. To me, she was still giving instructions. To CW.

Maybe she never had a long game.

Maybe she was surprised they weren't found sooner. Was prepared for and waiting for the shoot-out and had no intention of surviving it.

While tragic for those who knew and loved her, and a betrayal of the same, maybe she went out on her terms, precisely as she set out to do.

Can't fathom it but she had a 1000 ways to prevent it but didn't.

Weird irony, however, and never minding a lot of details (like a car crash, a parking lot and a situation that literally went sideways) that she freed a felon and seemingly kept him in her custody until returning him to custody.

Maybe VW started to feel like a prisoner in her own life -- get up, go to work, eat supper, lather, rinse, repeat -- and she wanted to break free -- and die doing something outrageous. Out of character. Awfultacular.

CW will go back to his life as it was.

Perhaps VW didn't want the life she had anymore. So she killed it (the life) and then herself.

I'm thankful no one else was injured.

Not counting all the hearts.

JMO

You get my “Websleuths Award “ for the year! Thank you, just Thank You! No other words needed…

 

[Aloe]

Many have speculated he is a psychopath. His appeals attorney stated he is on pysch meds. I wonder how, when on the run he had meds, if he did? And states how he is a different person when on meds. I think sociopath is a more probable dx because for however brief of a moment he showed he cared. I do not think he was a dancing pansy. He is 100% responsible here as much as she is. I believe he could have killed her and taken all the money and car but didn't. Why? Link if for attorney comments (buried deep in article) May 10 Alabama fugitive news. ***edited for wording

Hmm wondering if CW's appeals attorney has/had an expert witness to testify regarding CW being "a different person when on meds". Also, I have read (and seen this happen as well) that the effects of pysch meds can change over time producing unwanted side effects or be rendered useless. MOO
MOO It's hard to imagine depending on any medication when public safety is at risk. Prozac: Pro and Con
Here is a quick example:

 

[Lillymac]

Graphic question please scroll by if you do not wish to view it. It is a rollover question

Spoiler

The way that the Cadillac is rest on its side completely, how was Casey able to stay seated without falling on top of Vicky?

I highly doubt that he was in a seat belt. Then he was able to put both hands out of the window???

He had to have been literally standing on top of Vicky, how else would he be able to do that with all of the gravity from the position of the vehicle.

I don't know about the seat belt but unless the sensor had been removed it would have been dinging loudly. Plus to avoid being stopped by LE, I would surely have my seat belt on. I don't think we'll ever know what truly went on inside that car. I wouldn't believe anything CW says!

 

[Luna20]

He should be relieved of command. His authority and credibility are goose eggs. If the sheriff wasn't retiring, I'd say the same about him.

Oh heck, I take it back. Singleton should go right now, too.

Civil & criminal investigation into every aspect of that jail and active implementation of changes needs to happen ASAP. Is it understaffed and overpopulated on a regular basis? I read it's at double capacity at times. Complacency can be deadly. Best practices need to be implemented at all of the state's jails.

Now about the prison system......from what I'm reading about the internal dangers there, it should be a deterrent to offenders. Not a place you want your actions to land you. Of course, the same thing could be said about many prisons across this country.

MOO

It’s safe to say no one there watches the interior surveillance. Unless that was somehow being tampered with also. This went on long enough to not go unnoticed. I agree, serious action needs to be taken immediately. It’s unsettling to think about what could happen.

 

[Snoop Sister]

dbm

 

[Lillymac]

The vehicl

He was so big and his legs so long the lower half of his body likely remained in the lower driver compartment. His upper body probably did come in contact somewhat with Vicky but he managed to swivel around and put his arms outside the window pretty quickly. I don't think he was ever standing on her. His legs likely remained under the steering wheel until LE forcibly pulled him out of there. The Cadillac did not actually roll over. They were T-boned on the driver's side and forced abruptly into the ditch.

Youre right, not upside down, but the vehicle was on its side.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Is it common in the U.S. for LE incident reports to be released to the public?​

 

[Seattle1]

Is it common in the U.S. for LE incident reports to be released to the public?​

Actually, it's decided more on a state-by-state basis and their respective statutes for freedom of public information.

Generally, there's an exception to releasing information including police reports, warrants, and autopsies, during ongoing investigations -- (i.e., citing protecting the integrity of the case).

 

[Thora_Jay]

The vehicl

Youre right, not upside down, but the vehicle was on its side.

@Lillymac, @CharlestonGal replied to me to alert me about that word "rollover".. It was too late for me to edit.

I never said upside down I said lying on it's side. Just an FYI. Please re-read that because I stated in the question;


"The way that the Cadillac is rest on its side completely"


Thank-you