AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #3

[cody22]

There is also this one. Sorry do not know how to add as a link. This one was posted by VI on 9/11. BBM

If anybody is local to Mobile, or knows someone who is, getting locals in here (since this is a relatively anonymous forum) and talking would be helpful. Thank you for what you are doing with the political/media channels. My guess as to why those outlets aren't working is that the person that JDT thinks is responsible is from "old money" and has connections to both LE and politics and we think is being protected.

That there is some wide spread sleuthing far away from the house.

 

[AtticusFitz]

JDT has the power to boss around a News Station ?

My recollection is that the news station said that the request to remove the CCTV came from LE. Specifically stated that they were cooperating with LE.

 

[Alethea]

I think all the focus on DW may be some guilt projection. They seem to blame him when he informed them at 7:30am the next morning that DNV did not show up for an appointment. At that point, any family member or friend of hers could have reported her missing. But they didn't. They didn't even meet DW to get the phone. They waited days before DW eventually dropped the phone off at the police and said he was worried about DNV never getting her phone. I am sure that many people who knew DNV wish with hindsight they went to the police the next day. But I don't think that's on DW.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

My recollection is that the news station said that the request to remove the CCTV came from LE. Specifically stated that they were cooperating with LE.

WKRG?

 

[AtticusFitz]

That there is some wide spread sleuthing far away from the house.

Agree. Don't believe this is a productive path to follow as its purely speculative. I do however question why the MPD hasn't engaged the FBI so far as we know to help with the CCTV. Maybe they have the local expertise but it would be encouraging to see outside help as it not only brings in expertise but somewhat eliminates the taint of coverup allegations IMO.

 

[cody22]

My recollection is that the news station said that the request to remove the CCTV came from LE. Specifically stated that they were cooperating with LE.

Thank you.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Agree. Don't believe this is a productive path to follow as its purely speculative. I do however question why the MPD hasn't engaged the FBI so far as we know to help with the CCTV. Maybe they have the local expertise but it would be encouraging to see outside help as it not only brings in expertise but somewhat eliminates the taint of coverup allegations IMO.

They haven’t even brought the Mobile County Sheriff in yet!

 

[otto]

I think we explored some water disposal options in thread 1 on this topic. The Mobile region waters are tidal to differing degrees and large parts of the water basin are quite shallow at low tide. To accomodate the port traffic channels have been placed for large vessels to enter the port (these channels are typically 40 ft deep). To find deep water that is accessible to the shore to tip in a car could be done but it would have to involve tipping the car into deep enough water to cover it at low tide and a quick look at the charts indicates a few options.

Here is link to NOAA small boater charts of the Bay area. This small boaters version is much easier to understand than the full NOAA charts. There are certainly a few areas where a car could be tipped into the water and not be visible from land.

http://www.charts.noaa.gov/BookletChart/11376_BookletChart.pdf
But using your hypothetical of a couple of 'clowns' wouldn't it be easier to find a chop shop or torch the car someplace? If they were money motivated the chop shop might make the most sense IMO. Care crime is big issue in Mobile which leads me to believe chop shops are accesible and known to locals. Will see if I can find a chart of Big Creek Lake to help look at options.

A chop shop requires involving other people in Danni's disappearance. The $2000 reward might look good to anyone who helped dispose of the car.

 

[AtticusFitz]

But I don't think that's on DW.

Agree. Is DW's story completely understandable? No. Is DW's timeline completely perfect to the minute? No. Did DW share everything with JDT that he shared with LE? IMO No and I think the VI might have verified this statement.

Whatever the 'holes' in the DW story and timeline, the reason he was driving a rental car that had to be returned at 1 pm, why he and DNV were in the area of the Shell station to begin with etc. I think sometimes its easier to look at what someone did rather than what they might have said about what they did. @otto I think made this point clear when the issue of the phone came up for discussion.

DW left the Shell station to get the phone at Dublin's. We don't know why he did this yet but he did. He didn't toss the phone which he could have. He made a good effort to get the phone back to DNV. He called JDT. He returned the phone to police if I recall or gave it to JDT who then gave it to police. I honestly don't see DW as a bad actor here. I question not circling back to find DNV if she were driving impaired and he knew this but other than this issue DW had a key piece of evidence in this case and got it to where it needed to be, the MPD.

Thanks @otto for so clearly making this point as I think its moved us along in our understanding of what might have happened that night.

 

[Alethea]

Agree. Don't believe this is a productive path to follow as its purely speculative. I do however question why the MPD hasn't engaged the FBI so far as we know to help with the CCTV. Maybe they have the local expertise but it would be encouraging to see outside help as it not only brings in expertise but somewhat eliminates the taint of coverup allegations IMO.

Under the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012, the FBI has jurisdiction to assist in investigations of violent acts in a place of public use when requested by local LE.

Previous laws have allowed LE to call in the Secret Service, Homeland Security, and ICE.

 

[AtticusFitz]

A chop shop requires involving other people in Danni's disappearance. The $2000 reward might look good to anyone who helped dispose of the car.

Agree and an additional $5000 might make it look even better!

 

[AtticusFitz]

That’s right. I forgot about that one. Which is really only a “teaser” ! Who does JDT think is responsible?

Col Mustard in the Conservatory is my guess!

 

[SuziQ]

I think this is a critical point. She was not supposed to be reported missing right away at all. We've heard of missing women where a phone was found in a parking lot before, and the parents were immediately frantically looking for their daughter (Morgan Harrington). Not even a missed visit with her daughter was enough to cause concern about the abduction of Danni.

Thank goodness for DW that he was able to direct police to the CCTV at the Shell station. Thank goodness that DW went to police on July 20. It's very unfortunate that he was subjected to suspicion when he seems like the only person who tried to take action right away.

Without DW, the story is that Danni was barhopping with a party train on July 17 celebrating the purchase of her new car. It's not a concern that she missed work and a visit with her daughter, she has drug problems. It's not surprising that she skipped town, she's irresponsible and didn't even want custody of her daughter. She's run off to start a new life.

IMO someone has gone out of their way to make Danni's disappearance appear a certain way.

 

[cody22]

Col Mustard in the Conservatory is my guess!

Well, that sounds better than my politically connected space alien abduction theory .

 

[otto]

Agree. Is DW's story completely understandable? No. Is DW's timeline completely perfect to the minute? No. Did DW share everything with JDT that he shared with LE? IMO No and I think the VI might have verified this statement.

Whatever the 'holes' in the DW story and timeline, the reason he was driving a rental car that had to be returned at 1 pm, why he and DNV were in the area of the Shell station to begin with etc. I think sometimes its easier to look at what someone did rather than what they might have said about what they did. @otto I think made this point clear when the issue of the phone came up for discussion.

DW left the Shell station to get the phone at Dublin's. We don't know why he did this yet but he did. He didn't toss the phone which he could have. He made a good effort to get the phone back to DNV. He called JDT. He returned the phone to police if I recall or gave it to JDT who then gave it to police. I honestly don't see DW as a bad actor here. I question not circling back to find DNV if she were driving impaired and he knew this but other than this issue DW had a key piece of evidence in this case and got it to where it needed to be, the MPD.

Thanks @otto for so clearly making this point as I think its moved us along in our understanding of what might have happened that night.

Thanks! I arrived late to this discussion, so I binged on reading the first thread. What stood out for me was that the discussion was really swirling around an assumption that DW and his "barhopping party train" were responsible for Danni's disappearance so : case solved. Everything that DW did, from helping retrieve the phone to contacting her family first thing the next morning, was portrayed as doing the wrong thing. It didn't click with the big picture.

When DW was unsuccessful in returning the phone to JDT, he held onto it. He contacted JDT at 7:30AM on July 20 and then turned the phone in to police.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Good question! Assuming that Danni and her car were not taken by sophisticated carjackers, I've been trying to think of ways to hide a car.

Imagine we have a couple of clowns who think they are criminal masterminds, where do they hide a car. Three options come to mind: abandoned building like a barn, heavily treed area off the beaten path, the bottom of a lake.

Is anyone familiar with Big Creek Lake? It is the water reservoir for Mobile, and it is close to Mobile. Do people ever dump junk in the lake?

Here is some info from a fishing map about Big Creek Lake: i-Boating : Free Marine Navigation Charts & Fishing Maps

 

[otto]

Agree and an additional $5000 might make it look even better!

Perhaps the cash that was in Danni's apartment can be contributed to the reward.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Thanks! I arrived late to this discussion, so I binged on reading the first thread. What stood out for me was that the discussion was really swirling around an assumption that DW and his "barhopping party train" were responsible for Danni's disappearance so : case solved. Everything that DW did, from helping retrieve the phone to contacting her family first thing the next morning, was portrayed as doing the wrong thing. It didn't click with the big picture.

When DW was unsuccessful in returning the phone to JDT, he held onto it. He contacted JDT at 7:30AM on July 20 and then turned the phone in to police.

Your read was correct. IMO this happened as people wanted to believe the JDT information and the LE info was sparse and the press was doing nothing to investigate. I think with most of the these cases you want to believe what the locals are saying or follow what they are saying. I don't think it was totally a waste of time though as much was learned about DW, RC and MK. My general sense is that people are now in 'trust but verify' mode and we are back on track.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Perhaps the cash that was in Danni's apartment can be contributed to the reward.

My guess is that it’s already spent.

 

[otto]

IMO someone has gone out of their way to make Danni's disappearance appear a certain way.

I agree with this. Everything was staged perfectly to give the illusion that Danni and her car left voluntarily. The only reason this didn't work is that she did not have her phone, and she would not disappear without her phone - it's her lifeline to her daughter.