AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

[December]

CoolJ, I think you are right. So much stuff is backwards.

Jacqui says the shell casing was on J.B.'s pant leg, not Tracie's. She has a photo.

Also, she says J.B.'s hands were folded under her cheek (as a barrier between her face and the trunk liner, probably). That is the action of a girl that thinks she will live.

I know I just said they tried to run off. I just don't know!

 

[easongt]

1. Believed they were killed in different location from where discovered. True?

2. My understanding has been they were shot inside the trunk. True?

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[TedMac]

My thought when I saw it for the very first time before I even knew much about the case was that this deputy chief was putting on an act with that statement. Like he already knew what the motive was and he was playing dumb by asking that question.

TedMac, how do you know they later learned the semen may have come from a consensual act?

As for the HE show, I am a strong believer in what some may refer to as psychic abilities. Strong believer! But I get the feeling these guys and gals are frauds. I get the feeling they are putting on the show that LE wants them to put on. I don't think we know as much about how things went down as we thought we did.... I think a story was fed to us via media, this show and possibly online forums.

BBM Initially, the investigators thought the murders were perpetrated by a stranger or serial killer and focused their search in that direction. They ran DNA tests on the first suspects (Barrentine, Michigan Man, etc.) and found no match. As the investigation progressed and they talked with more people, including Beasley and Hawlett's friends, they concluded that the semen may have come from a consensual encounter earlier in the evening.

 

[CoolJ]

BBM Initially, the investigators thought the murders were perpetrated by a stranger or serial killer and focused their search in that direction. They ran DNA tests on the first suspects (Barrentine, Michigan Man, etc.) and found no match. As the investigation progressed and they talked with more people, including Beasley and Hawlett's friends, they concluded that the semen may have come from a consensual encounter earlier in the evening.

But where is that from? Are you quoting from an article?

 

[December]

If it is a consensual encounter, did they find that guy?

Why was the DNA used to eliminate suspects if they think it is irrelevant to the crime?

Also, the car. So, they did not notice the blood. Why didn't they at least consider it might have been stolen and then dumped? The fact they played with the car is one of the most insane things I have EVER heard.

 

[TedMac]

If it is a consensual encounter, did they find that guy?

Why was the DNA used to eliminate suspects if they think it is irrelevant to the crime?

Also, the car. So, they did not notice the blood. Why didn't they at least consider it might have been stolen and then dumped? The fact they played with the car is one of the most insane things I have EVER heard.

BBM I have never read anything that indicated that the supplier of the semen was found. If he was, it is a closely guarded secret. I think they initially thought the DNA was from the killer and started running tests on all the suspects. At some point in the investigation, the began entertaining the idea that the semen may not have come from the killer, but from someone else. Good point about using the DNA to eliminate suspects. Chief Spivey made a point to say that even though the DNA of the "Michigan Man" did not match that found on Beasley, he was still a suspect. I feel they realized by that point, the semen may not have come from the killer.

Sadly, I believe that if an arrest is ever made in this case, the DNA is going to be difficult for the State to explain to a jury unless they know its origin and can identify who put it there. It may even require that person to come forward at trial and admit it.

 

[LR1]

I would be very surprised if the DNA was not from the killer.

Regarding the deputy chief's reluctance to link the DNA with the motive for the murders on the HE show, that I imagine came from the significant period of time that had went by without a match. Now ff several years and you have the retiring chief stating the motive is still unknown. No conspiracy there, I think they're truly not confident enough to say one way or the other.

I've kicked both scenarios, related/not related, back and forth for years myself and I think it almost has to be related and for the same reason, there's still no match.

Is it possible a consensual encounter happened earlier? you betcha. It's even possible that the DNA contributor from the possible earlier consensual event could also be the killer, if you can wrap your head around that. There's too many possible scenarios to count.

My current thinking is that this was a younger offender or two. The depositor was likely the trigger man but he was probably not alone. I think they were local but somehow were able to avoid the scrutiny that others were exposed to. To put a point on it, maybe a forced sex act by some local hoodlums, and he/they choose to leave no witnesses. Could have been acquaintances or complete strangers. Even though it's went unsolved for this long there's something about this crime that seems very amateur. A spur of the moment, not well thought out and with a boldness that might come from a younger offender.

 

[December]

Anyone else move off to Michigan? I have read they are very, very behind on rape kit testing. Reason: Detroit.

 

[Bulldog23]

Something that should also be looked into and which still interested me but we don't know much about is the rumor that one of the girl has something important to tell to another girl at (the party). What was so important? Did the LE interview that girl? I can't remember if it was Tracie or J.B. but did she tell anyone else about this important message? Is this even true?

It was JB. I think that this is possibly very important. I believe that it is possible that JB had been in the company of an older male who lived in Ozark on several occasions prior to the murder. That older male was in a relationship with the mother of the girl JB called at the party (I am not 100% sure of this but have heard it and had it confirmed by another sleuth). This person stated in one post that his girlfriend was furious with JB that night. On the Wiregrass.com site, this person brings up the fact that he thinks someone could have hired someone to do something to the girls (injure JB so she couldn't dance or frame them with drugs), and it "went wrong." That might correlate to them being followed and pinned in by two guys earlier in the night as Jacqui stated in her video.
As I've stated before, this person posted a lot about the girls' murders on the wiregrass.com forum. If anyone wants to read the posts good place to start is the "JB and Tracie Murdered in Ozark" thread on the Wiregrass.com forum.

 

[CoolJ]

It was JB. I think that this is possibly very important. I believe that it is possible that JB had been in the company of an older male who lived in Ozark on several occasions prior to the murder. That older male was in a relationship with the mother of the girl JB called at the party (I am not 100% sure of this but have heard it and had it confirmed by another sleuth). This person stated in one post that his girlfriend was furious with JB that night. On the Wiregrass.com site, this person brings up the fact that he thinks someone could have hired someone to do something to the girls (injure JB so she couldn't dance or frame them with drugs), and it "went wrong." That might correlate to them being followed and pinned in by two guys earlier in the night as Jacqui stated in her video.
As I've stated before, this person posted a lot about the girls' murders on the wiregrass.com forum. If anyone wants to read the posts good place to start is the "JB and Tracie Murdered in Ozark" thread on the Wiregrass.com forum.

Now we're gettin somewhere...

 

[easongt]

Now we're gettin somewhere...

My understanding... his name rhymes with virus

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[December]

This is a crazy idea that I will propose...

The shell casing on J.B.'s leg... What if it was deliberately placed there by the murderer after he drove the car to the location that it was found. He policed his brass, but left that one where he did as a message to someone. Like maybe a signature. And, reporting it as being on Tracie's pant leg was a red herring?

Someone in Ozark is in collusion with the murderer. I do not believe it is a big conspiracy because I think there are people in LE who are sincerely trying to solve it. But, someone was working against them...

Shell casing = destroyed
Car = tainted by being played with, then destroyed against the wishes of family

And Jacqui doesn't know if the girls' clothes, etc. Still even exist. These items should be in evidence and preserved. IDK why no one will tell her about their existence. I called about my cousin and they have this kind of stuff since 1969! (Edited to add, Kathy was murdered in Nashville... To be clear it is not the same police department.)

 

[TooCurious]

This is a crazy idea that I will propose...

The shell casing on J.B.'s leg... What if it was deliberately placed there by the murderer after he drove the car to the location that it was found. He policed his brass, but left that one where he did as a message to someone. Like maybe a signature. And, reporting it as being on Tracie's pant leg was a red herring?

Someone in Ozark is in collusion with the murderer. I do not believe it is a big conspiracy because I think there are people in LE who are sincerely trying to solve it. But, someone was working against them...

Shell casing = destroyed
Car = tainted by being played with, then destroyed against the wishes of family

And Jacqui doesn't know if the girls' clothes, etc. Still even exist. These items should be in evidence and preserved. IDK why no one will tell her about their existence. I called about my cousin and they have this kind of stuff since 1969! (Edited to add, Kathy was murdered in Nashville... To be clear it is not the same police department.)

If left as a message then the casing wouldn't need to be destroyed or "lost". I am pretty sure I read it wasn't a casing but an actual unspent bullet. If this is the case, killer probably racked one in the chamber to shoot but forgot that it was already loaded. Hitting the pants would definitely not make a sound and since they did police the other spent brass, I believe it was a genuine mistake (undoubtedly a huge clue as well) made by the killer.

 

[easongt]

If left as a message then the casing wouldn't need to be destroyed or "lost". I am pretty sure I read it wasn't a casing but an actual unspent bullet. If this is the case, killer probably racked one in the chamber to shoot but forgot that it was already loaded. Hitting the pants would definitely not make a sound and since they did police the other spent brass, I believe it was a genuine mistake (undoubtedly a huge clue as well) made by the killer.

As a gun owner and enthusiast , I agree with that theory. It is 100% plausible however it is dependent upon it being an unspent bullet instead of just the casing.

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[LR1]

What was reported is a shell casing was found on one of their legs, the unspent 9mm bullet is what was found at the possible second crime scene off Hwy 123 South.

 

[easongt]

I was passing through Ozark on my way home just now from South Georgia on business. Once again I decided to use the stopwatch to determine just how close their vehicle was discovered from the gas station. Without speeding at all it is easily under 2 minutes.

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[easongt]

Keep in mind, I've been there a couple times and still needed to use my GPS to make sure I made the correct turns. One thing I am personally convinced of, whoever committed the crime lived in Ozark or knows Ozark very very well.

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[TedMac]

It was JB. I think that this is possibly very important. I believe that it is possible that JB had been in the company of an older male who lived in Ozark on several occasions prior to the murder. That older male was in a relationship with the mother of the girl JB called at the party (I am not 100% sure of this but have heard it and had it confirmed by another sleuth). This person stated in one post that his girlfriend was furious with JB that night. On the Wiregrass.com site, this person brings up the fact that he thinks someone could have hired someone to do something to the girls (injure JB so she couldn't dance or frame them with drugs), and it "went wrong." That might correlate to them being followed and pinned in by two guys earlier in the night as Jacqui stated in her video.
As I've stated before, this person posted a lot about the girls' murders on the wiregrass.com forum. If anyone wants to read the posts good place to start is the "JB and Tracie Murdered in Ozark" thread on the Wiregrass.com forum.

BBM He even started one of the threads. Coincidence? I think not!

 

[TedMac]

Keep in mind, I've been there a couple times and still needed to use my GPS to make sure I made the correct turns. One thing I am personally convinced of, whoever committed the crime lived in Ozark or knows Ozark very very well.

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BBM Yes he does. No doubt about it!

 

[bflocket]

I've read over this case/thread a few times over the past few years. I have a question, however stupid or off-topic it may be, regarding Ms Beasley. With all of the pages in this thread (#2 is up to 78-pages) I may have missed it if it were discussed.

She was still in high school, and I don't think she'd ever been married, so why does she have so many parts to her name?

There's the "J.B." part that I assume is the initials of part of her name. But her name (on tombstone) is "J.B. Hilton Green Beasley." Beasley seems to be her surname, so she has four other parts to her name. I've also yet to find out what the J.B. stands for.

Anybody know anything about that? The name sounds like it is the name of a middle-aged woman who's been married multiple times.