AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

[TedMac]

I am trying to be open to more theories. It's hard once you start going a certain way. It is possible that more than one person were involved, but only one person dropped the vehicle off in it's final location. There could have been multiple people at the "kill site". Then one person (for example JWB) could have been given the task of ditching the car. This is a point that I'm disappointed in myself for overlooking. I may never stop believing the the vehicle was left there out of necessity though. I believe that.


All this comes in light of recent conversations that I have had.

But, Would the killer have left a stooge like Barrentine alive if he had actually witnesses the murders? I think if JWB had really saw the killings, he would have ended up in the trunk with the girls with a bullet in his head, too.

 

[TooCurious]

But, Would the killer have left a stooge like Barrentine alive if he had actually witnesses the murders? I think if JWB had really saw the killings, he would have ended up in the trunk with the girls with a bullet in his head, too.

Totally agree. Who would trust their freedom to him? He either did it, or saw the girls somewhere. I don't see how anyone would have him as an accomplice. The girls were killed because of something they knew. There is no way around this I think. They were either assaulted and knew the description of their attacker and were killed or (insert police theory here). If the perp was not worried about jail then why shoot them? Why wipe down the car? If he was worried about jail, seems he was, then why leave JWB as witness? So the conclusion can be he either acted alone or didn't have anything to do with it. JMO

 

[HotRod]

There is a friend of mine named Nancy Stevens. She is active on the Justice for JB and Tracie Facebook page and is CONVINCED the police are involved. You should join the page for more information. My name is Jon Clennon and she is a FB friend of mine. Nancy Stevens has a lot of information/theory about how the police had something to do with it. She is the reason I started suspecting the police.

 

[December]

I don't think Barrentine saw the murder or participated in it (I don't think he drove the car to drop off... I think if anyone we've heard about did that, it's the guy who moved to Michigan days later).

Here is what I think Barrentine actually did. He saw the girls, maybe more than one place, but at least at the Big/Little. I know the woman who gave directions never mentioned seeing a guy around, but maybe he was just somewhere he could see that parking lot rather than among the four of them. He may have looked over there out of curiosity as the store is closed and there are somehow four people and three vehicles in the parking lot.

But, this would have allowed him to see the girls, their outfits, and their car. And to believe there might be something of interest on the security tape.

He might have seen more or known more than that, but whatever it was, it wasn't enough to worry the murderer. I think this because I don't think anyone would trust him to keep totally silent if he really knew anything.

Maybe he saw the girls or the car again that night, but again, not in a situation that would worry the murderer. There is a story he behaved strangely when he got home, but that's a little vague. Apparently, he told the police a few different stories that didn't check out. So, forgetting about him for now...

The car and its lack of gas is bothering me. But, maybe J.B. and Tracie did manage to get to some sort of event that night. There were at least 5,000 field parties taking place, after all. Obviously, they can't have seen a tremendous number of people, but still.

Meanwhile, the car gets driven by someone who is not J.B. (probably without permission) while J.B. and Tracie are at whatever event. But, this person is caught using the car and J.B. sees WHY they were using her car and gets mad. As in this is drug related (I am not saying J.B. or Tracie used drugs or knew about anything like that happening).

P.S., I still don't understand why a truck is parked at the gas pump of a closed gas station. And whatever it's doing there, imeans it could block the view we get on the tape.

 

[easongt]

I have heard multiple people state theories that they believe JWB saw something but don't believe he pulled the trigger. All that is speculation of course.

There is one thing we have learned. Not everything we have heard or read in the media... Both mainstream and blog... Is accurate.

Did JWB accurately describe the victims clothing? Or was he just shown a picture or two and asked to point to the clothing? See the difference? Shotty police work vs being thorough?

THIS is where I believe the police covered up. I think they are embarrassed to show how badly it was handled... not protect the killer(s). I think this case is a source of embarrassment and a black eye to them... They want it solved but not by another agency. That is as far as I would be willing to go right now in regards to a cover up by LE.

Does anyone here believe the vehicle was just randomly dropped there? I happen to believe it was left there for a specific reason out of necessity.

Also, I assume that the DL info I got was indeed believed to be accurate unless JBurgoon disputes it. I am guessing she has read it.

 

[CoolJ]

I have heard multiple people state theories that they believe JWB saw something but don't believe he pulled the trigger. All that is speculation of course.

There is one thing we have learned. Not everything we have heard or read in the media... Both mainstream and blog... Is accurate.

Did JWB accurately describe the victims clothing? Or was he just shown a picture or two and asked to point to the clothing? See the difference? Shotty police work vs being thorough?

THIS is where I believe the police covered up. I think they are embarrassed to show how badly it was handled... not protect the killer(s). I think this case is a source of embarrassment and a black eye to them... They want it solved but not by another agency. That is as far as I would be willing to go right now in regards to a cover up by LE.

Does anyone here believe the vehicle was just randomly dropped there? I happen to believe it was left there for a specific reason out of necessity.

Also, I assume that the DL info I got was indeed believed to be accurate unless JBurgoon disputes it. I am guessing she has read it.

easongt, with regards to the license on the dash and the family being aware that the killer did not put it there. Please have a look at the Justice fb page for the post on July 16, 2014. That should clear up the confusion. Of course, it is possible that they were told something different recently. But that in itself would be strange. JMO

 

[TedMac]

I have heard multiple people state theories that they believe JWB saw something but don't believe he pulled the trigger. All that is speculation of course.

There is one thing we have learned. Not everything we have heard or read in the media... Both mainstream and blog... Is accurate.

Did JWB accurately describe the victims clothing? Or was he just shown a picture or two and asked to point to the clothing? See the difference? Shotty police work vs being thorough?

THIS is where I believe the police covered up. I think they are embarrassed to show how badly it was handled... not protect the killer(s). I think this case is a source of embarrassment and a black eye to them... They want it solved but not by another agency. That is as far as I would be willing to go right now in regards to a cover up by LE.

Does anyone here believe the vehicle was just randomly dropped there? I happen to believe it was left there for a specific reason out of necessity.

Also, I assume that the DL info I got was indeed believed to be accurate unless JBurgoon disputes it. I am guessing she has read it.

I believe JWB was able to correctly describe their clothes. The Special Agent of the AL Bureau of Investigation testified under oath to that.

I'm in total agreement with the location of the car. The killer dropped it off there for a specific reason-MOO but I think it was because it was either near his house or near his vehicle.

 

[jburgoon]

Jacqui, can you confirm what easongt said regarding the license on the dash. Was that where it was originally found or was it just placed there for the picture?

He is correct. They were pulled out and photographed. I just learned of this a few months ago

 

[TooCurious]

He is correct. They were pulled out and photographed. I just learned of this a few months ago

That is a very convenient detail to have corrected after 16 years. (Convenient for the police) I understand the police do not always comment on cases and evidence but this license being out on the dash has been widely reported and talked about. I would want to see some documentation (from 1999) where this is detailed that they pulled the license out and photographed it. To me and others there are many indications there was some police involvement or at least someone familiar with police routines/procedures and this detail was a big one. It fit hand and glove with the window being down.
Jacqui, I also read some of the other boards/blogs. There was an interesting story that was the HCR. I know there is some pending litigation so I am not asking you about specifics about who said what but I did see some kind of a police report about a break in at one of the homes either just prior to or just after the murders. Can you confirm the break in?

 

[TooCurious]

He is correct. They were pulled out and photographed. I just learned of this a few months ago

I seriously want to go on a rant about this. 16 years and immediately family members are still learning "facts" that occurred 16 years ago. IMO, there should be some evidence/information kept confidential but not all of it or most of it. Often you hear police talking about that one piece of information they need but my opinion is they don't have that vital piece of information because no one knows what in the world they are looking for. In this instance I believe we will never know many details because of the embarrassment it will cause OPD. If you don't know the details of the case you won't know exactly how bad they screwed up. I wonder if a petition widely circulated would get this case turned over to a different investigative body.
I still want to know what the "suspicious" statements the guy in Michigan made. If he is still a suspect then put a name on him and maybe somebody will come forward with some new information. They can't come forward if they don't even know the guy is a suspect!! End of rant.

 

[CoolJ]

He is correct. They were pulled out and photographed. I just learned of this a few months ago

Thank you for that confirmation.
That is frustrating that it took 16 yrs to get that info. And the timing of it just raises my hinky meter like you wouldn't believe. JMO

 

[easongt]

I am in Memphis on business and can't type much, but thank you for confirming that Jacqui.

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[TedMac]

I seriously want to go on a rant about this. 16 years and immediately family members are still learning "facts" that occurred 16 years ago. IMO, there should be some evidence/information kept confidential but not all of it or most of it. Often you hear police talking about that one piece of information they need but my opinion is they don't have that vital piece of information because no one knows what in the world they are looking for. In this instance I believe we will never know many details because of the embarrassment it will cause OPD. If you don't know the details of the case you won't know exactly how bad they screwed up. I wonder if a petition widely circulated would get this case turned over to a different investigative body.
I still want to know what the "suspicious" statements the guy in Michigan made. If he is still a suspect then put a name on him and maybe somebody will come forward with some new information. They can't come forward if they don't even know the guy is a suspect!! End of rant.

The case is currently being investigated by an agent of the Alabama Attorney General's Office. I'm not sure if Ozark PD is involved any more or not.

According to a press release by Chief Spivey...The "Man from Michigan" was reportedly attending another party in Ozark the night of the murders and left town a few days later. He supposedly made "suspicious statements" about the murders. Some of his acquaintances were concerned enough by what he said to notify authorities. It has never been disclosed exactly what he said. Investigators made at least 3 trips to Michigan to interview him. I feel that whatever he said, it must have really raised some eyebrows for them to do that. His DNA did not match the semen found on Beasley. FWIW, The whole scenario about another party in Ozark ties in directly to what I think happened to the girls that night.

I think he is still a POI, but who knows? As you said, so much info has not been released to the public.

 

[jburgoon]

That is a very convenient detail to have corrected after 16 years. (Convenient for the police) I understand the police do not always comment on cases and evidence but this license being out on the dash has been widely reported and talked about. I would want to see some documentation (from 1999) where this is detailed that they pulled the license out and photographed it. To me and others there are many indications there was some police involvement or at least someone familiar with police routines/procedures and this detail was a big one. It fit hand and glove with the window being down.
Jacqui, I also read some of the other boards/blogs. There was an interesting story that was the HCR. I know there is some pending litigation so I am not asking you about specifics about who said what but I did see some kind of a police report about a break in at one of the homes either just prior to or just after the murders. Can you confirm the break in?

Yes the break in happened. I have been extremely frustrated with the department of Ozark about how they have handled this case and how false information has been floating around. I have held on to every thing they ever said and believed them for 15 years. In the past two years I have learned what was true and what wasn't. It hurts to be told one thing for years to find out later it wasn't true.
I'm to the point now- if I don't see it with my own two eyes, I won't believe it.

 

[CoolJ]

The license on the dash is a part of every news article regarding this case since the very beginning. It doesn't make any sense that now, all of a sudden, 16 yrs later we are told something different. It's fishy. Big time fishy.

I am 99.99% positive that there is some type of cover up going on with this case. The only way it is going to get solved is by an independent out of state investigation. JMO

 

[TooCurious]

Yes it really makes you wonder what facts are not really facts. The pockets turned inside out....wonder how true that is now. Are they going to come back and say that an officer turned those inside out after the girls were discovered? Is photographic evidence being preserved/protected so it doesn't disappear? Whatever happened to the soil samples and 9 mm casing they found and sent off for comparison? Did they recover slugs or not? Too much silence is a bad thing. It is too easy to manipulate the information.

 

[TooCurious]

Yes the break in happened. I have been extremely frustrated with the department of Ozark about how they have handled this case and how false information has been floating around. I have held on to every thing they ever said and believed them for 15 years. In the past two years I have learned what was true and what wasn't. It hurts to be told one thing for years to find out later it wasn't true.
I'm to the point now- if I don't see it with my own two eyes, I won't believe it.

Thanks for the info! I was wondering if you could expound upon it some. Was the break in prior to the murder or after? If after, was it a forced entry or could they have possibly used keys to get in?

***Nevermind I found the date. July 20. Anything remarkable you want to add about it would be great. Was JB's room the only one targeted?

 

[December]

I honestly do not see the point of taking J.B.'s license out of her purse and photographing it on the dash. They had a car which had a license plate and they could check the registration and even match the VIN to prove which car it was. Her driver's license proves she can legally drive, but her driving ability isn't linked to that car.

 

[easongt]

I don't have issue with them removing the driver's license. Of course this should have been done properly and I'm assuming it was to avoid contaminating any potential evidence. But people present in the vehicle where unknown regardless of who the registered owner of the vehicle was. I admit I don't 100% know the significance of photographing it on the dash.

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[CoolJ]

I don't have issue with them removing the driver's license. Of course this should have been done properly and I'm assuming it was to avoid contaminating any potential evidence. But people present in the vehicle where unknown regardless of who the registered owner of the vehicle was. I admit I don't 100% know the significance of photographing it on the dash.

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I don't see an issue with them removing the license either.
My issue is that it was implied for 15 years that the killer(s) left it there. And then out of the blue, seemingly coinciding with public accusations against corrupt LE, J.B's sister is told something different.

Truth is, it never made much sense to me this idea that she placed her license on the dash after being pulled over by LE. It wouldn't have stayed on the dash after driving, especially if it was a full gas tank worth of distance. jmo