GUILTY AL - Jack Girdner, 73, & DeJerinett twins, 9, found murdered, Hope Hull, 3 June 2012

[BeginnersLuck]

Do not know if you guys have read the article this morning on WSFA.com yet or not but they are confirming that the bodies were "dumped" on the dirt road and they are saying the words "gunshot" now. I am now wondering if there was a crime scene at the home or if he killed them in the car and that is why the doors were taken off.

I kind of thought they were killed on that dirt road because of the amount of blood they found there.

If they were killed in the vehicle or another site and transported in the vehicle to that location, there would be blood/evidence everywhere not just on the doors.

If he wanted to try and sell the car or even drive it elsewhere you would think he wouldn't want blood in it.

I can't figure out why those doors would be removed. You would definately draw attention if you took the doors off and drove it elsewhere. This makes me think the doors were removed at the location the vehicle was found.

Maybe a gang expert would have some insight on this.

 

[Eileen730]

I'm unable to wrap my mind around the thought that the mother had an intimate relationship with this guy.

What if the mother and maybe Mr. Jack also, had befriended him, and were trying to help him turn his life around, say through religion.

He lived directly across the street, so he could observe everything that went on at the house. He could have easily been playing them with his motive being money.

Or, as one of the local posters mentioned earlier, he was inappropriate to all women he came in contact with. The mother could have rejected his advances and he snapped.

He stikes me as more of the type of person where his motive would be money. He saw the perfect opportunity right out his window, right across the street from where he lived and made his move maybe on the spur of the moment in desperation for drug money. Or, maybe this was a plotted gang crime and the chose to commit the crime when the children were present.

Just throwing some possible scenerios out there.

Correct me if im wrong but Mr G didnt live across the street from him mom did and Mom i dont think had money.
This man had to know mom took the kids there and went and got them he took mr g cause he could ID him so he took him also.
Moms statement when she said she wanted them back in one piece says she knew who had them. JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I'm unable to wrap my mind around the thought that the mother had an intimate relationship with this guy.

What if the mother and maybe Mr. Jack also, had befriended him, and were trying to help him turn his life around, say through religion.

He lived directly across the street, so he could observe everything that went on at the house. He could have easily been playing them with his motive being money.

Or, as one of the local posters mentioned earlier, he was inappropriate to all women he came in contact with. The mother could have rejected his advances and he snapped.

He stikes me as more of the type of person where his motive would be money. He saw the perfect opportunity right out his window, right across the street from where he lived and made his move maybe on the spur of the moment in desperation for drug money. Or, maybe this was a plotted gang crime and the chose to commit the crime when the children were present.

Just throwing some possible scenerios out there.

She could have been nice to this guy and felt sorry for him. Then she realized just how bad he was and didnt want anything to do with him anymore so he takes her children....He seems like a very nasty man! I do believe something happend between the two leading to this horrible ending!

 

[SyraKelly]

Rest in Peace...

OMG-I have never seen a picture of them up close & my heart just dropped-how beautiful they were-this is just wrong on so many levels!!!!

I have one thing to say to this perp=there is cell on death row waiting for you!!!!!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

It just seems to me this is something very personal against this Mother.
He murdered her children!
I think Mr. G was just there .... He was not the target the children were.

JMO

I dont think he took the doors off the car either i think that happend when it was left!

Could very well be. You just never know in the minds of these criminals. DL is definately cold blooded.

The doors...the doors :maddening:

Hoping they catch this today or find him dead :furious:

 

[Eileen730]

OMG-I have never seen a picture of them up close & my heart just dropped when I saw this pic-how beautiful they were-this is just wrong on so many levels!!!!

I have one thing to say to this perp=there is cell on death row waiting for you!!!!!

I dont think he will make it to the cell!

 

[Concerned2]

Maybe they will find him Dead!

That'll be too easy for him. I say put him behind bars for life and let him spend some time with the inmates esp when they find out what he's in for.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Correct me if im wrong but Mr G didnt live across the street from him mom did and Mom i dont think had money.
This man had to know mom took the kids there and went and got them he took mr g cause he could ID him so he took him also.
Moms statement when she said she wanted them back in one piece says she knew who had them. JMO

I was referring to the perp DL living across the street and being able to observe Mr. G coming and going to pick up the kids. I think it was stated the she dropped the kids off and also stated that he picked them up. Did one of the articles or videos say the neighbors would see him come and pick them up? I'll go back and look.

From her statements, she wasn't suspicious of foul play until she went to pick them up at midnight. IMO at some point after that, when she contacted the police she or LE got information it was him.

 

[Eileen730]

That'll be too easy for him. I say put him behind bars for life and let him spend some time with the inmates esp when they find out what he's in for.

I dont think this man will be taken alive!

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I was referring to the perp DL living across the street and being able to observe Mr. G coming and going to pick up the kids. I think it was stated the she dropped the kids off and also stated that he picked them up. Did one of the articles or videos say the neighbors would see him come and pick them up? I'll go back and look.

From her statements, she wasn't suspicious of foul play until she went to pick them up at midnight. IMO at some point after that, when she contacted the police she or LE got information it was him.

Yes they said he would come and pick them up.

I think when LE questioned her his name came out!

 

[Eileen730]

Could very well be. You just never know in the minds of these criminals. DL is definately cold blooded.

The doors...the doors :maddening:

Hoping they catch this today or find him dead :furious:

Well when i was living in NYC when ya saw abandoned cars they were always missing doors!

 

[Bit Analyzer]

I was referring to the perp DL living across the street and being able to observe Mr. G coming and going to pick up the kids. I think it was stated the she dropped the kids off and also stated that he picked them up. Did one of the articles or videos say the neighbors would see him come and pick them up? I'll go back and look.

From her statements, she wasn't suspicious of foul play until she went to pick them up at midnight. IMO at some point after that, when she contacted the police she or LE got information it was him.

Here you go: the article with a neighbor's observations of Mr. Girdner picking the kids up often, either on one of three vehicles.

http://www.waka.com/news/montgomery...rder-Suspect-Lived-Near-Twins--157970285.html

 

[Eileen730]

Could his family be helping him hide?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Here is the article of the neighbors speaking about Mr. G picking up the children.

The Smiths said they always saw the twins' babysitter, 73-year-old Jack Girdner, driving past their home to pick up the children. They could not believe all three are gone.

“Just about every weekend he would be up through here, and the next time we seen him we seen him on the news,” Jimmy Smith said.

“We know the white Mercedes [Girdner] would drive, we know the black Mercedes he would drive, he would also come through in a pick-up truck sometimes,” Jimmy Smith said recalling the countless times Girdner would drive by.

http://www.waka.com/news/montgomery...-Suspect-Lived-Near-Twins--157970285.html?m=y

When I watch the video of the mother speaking again:

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/18699945/montgomery-twins-still-missing-mother-speaks

I get the feeling she is thinking more on the lines of maybe there was a car accident or Mr. G had a medical problem or maybe he had taken them somewhere. She seems confident Mr. G wouldn't hurt them and she seems confident in the lord, that they will show up unharmed and it will all just be a misunderstanding. I think if she knew at this time that DL had any involvement, she would have been more concerned. She seems very calm.

These of course are JMO.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Could his family be helping him hide?

Certainly have seen it happen before but the thought of it makes me want to :sick:

 

[Bit Analyzer]

The only motive i can come up with is anger at mom!
Her children and her friend! Are dead!
Mom is def the center of this!
JMO

Could Mom have been married to his dad making her his step mom?
Is her name Moore Or Moorer

Thanks for asking about the spelling of Mom's last name. It was bugging me, too. One of the early articles had it spelled Moorer, but just checked, and the more recent ones spell it Moore. Must have been a typo.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Thanks for asking about the spelling of Mom's last name. It was bugging me, too. One of the early articles had it spelled Moorer, but just checked, and the more recent ones spell it Moore. Must have been a typo.

I was looking for a relation also. I seemed to come close to it sleuthing SM to suggest there might be but not a definite.

I did find others though with the last name spelled Moorer.

It's common to also see families throughout history change or add a letter in a last name. That could be a possibility.

 

[Eileen730]

Thanks for asking about the spelling of Mom's last name. It was bugging me, too. One of the early articles had it spelled Moorer, but just checked, and the more recent ones spell it Moore. Must have been a typo.

I was wondering because this guys father is named MOOre!

 

[PMLsmom]

JMO - I think he followed them to get the kids (revenge/retaliation), forced them off the road, confronted Mr. Girdner who wouldn't let him take the kids, he shot Mr. Girdner and then the twins because they were then just witnesses...

 

[elainebenice]

If I had to guess at a motive right now I would say it was a combination of some sort of attempt at revenge against the mother (if the 2 were actually involved with each other prior to crime) and robbery. I know there have been a lot of comments about how this area is a "drug den," etc, but in my opinion, its not much different from any other poor, rural area in the South. In these areas you can always find a very booming drug market if you look hard enough or know where to look....sometimes you don't even have to look very hard. Also, not unlike many other areas in ALL parts of this country, there are some very evil people who live among everyone else and these people don't have a conscience or care who they hurt as long as it gets them whatever it is they are after.....whether that be money, drugs, revenge, etc. On top of all of this, you have just your "regular" criminals who basically make a living off of stealing cars, breaking into homes, etc and all of these individuals are usually somehow intertwined (either directly or indirectly) in an area like this. Living among these "bad" guys, are people like Mr. G who have nice houses and appear to be "rich" to a majority of the community, even though these people may simply be middle class and not "rich" at all. Obviously, these "rich" folks stand out and can easily be targeted for crimes.

In my opinion, the suspect (and possibly others or at the prompting of others) set out to rob Mr. G and he probably knew that he was babysitting the twins on that day. He knew that Mr. G would probably be at his most vulnerable with the kids present and be as compliant as possible hoping that no harm would come to the kids or himself if he cooperated. Not only do I think the suspect probably believed or actually knew Mr. G kept money and other valuables at his home, but I think the car may have actually been a target too. There is a booming black market for any type of auto parts, especially those from imports such as an older Benz since certain items are difficult to find for these cars and when you can find them they are expensive. I think it could have been as "simple" as someone the suspect knew saw Mr. G's car and knew someone who needed/wanted certain parts from that model car, even if it was just the doors. Although, I have a feeling that if the doors were the only things that were actually removed from the car then whoever was doing the "chopping" was interrupted before they could finish getting everything they wanted since there are other valuable parts on that car that could easily be sold. Also, it doesn't make sense that the only evidence of the crime was on the 4 car doors, front and back, but no other part of the car and the doors were removed to try and conceal evidence. If there were bullet holes in the doors, there was blood all over the doors and everything else in the interior of the car, so simply taking off the doors would be a time-consuming task that accomplished nothing to help hide evidence and actually would have created another problem since the doors would then have to be disposed of in some manner in order to conceal them. If the car had evidence in it that the suspect wanted to destroy then he would have set the car on fire or drove it into a lake/river. Also, based on the limited reports we've seen, it appears the victims were probably killed where they were found based on the amount of blood that's been reported as being present on the dirt road.

I think the murders may or may not have been planned by the suspect prior to the robbery attempt and we may never truly know the answer to that, but no matter what, there were 3 innocent individuals murdered in cold blood at the end of the day. It doesn't really make sense to me that the suspect would have the intention of murdering all 3 during the course of a robbery since there would have been (I assume) plenty of better opportunities for him to murder Mr. G or the kids if he truly wanted one or all of them dead for whatever reason. If he wanted revenge on the mother and thought he could get that by murdering her children, he could have hurt her a lot more by actually murdering them in her presence and it would have presented a much less risky situation in which to do such an act, rather than doing it when the kids are with a grown man who could potentially defend himself and the children against such an attack, at least better than the mother could most likely. I think the suspect probably arrived at Mr. G's home to rob him and something didn't go as he planned, whether it be that he allowed them to see his face or they recognized his voice (if he was attempting to conceal his identity since he just planned on stealing from Mr. G). This curveball probably led to the suspect thinking he had no other option other than to eliminate the witnesses, which he may not have minded doing anyway, especially if he was angry at the mother for breaking up with him or for some other reason.