GUILTY AL - Jack Girdner, 73, & DeJerinett twins, 9, found murdered, Hope Hull, 3 June 2012

[Cubby]

So now he has killed 5 people. Does that make him a serial killer yet?

How on earth was this guy out on the street after killing twice already?

:thud: :banghead:

 

[Pensfan]

His addy is the same as the mom's????
Could they be related?

It is possible. I can't find the house number of the mom's address or Deandra's address so I don't know. They have lived on the same street though.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Well, everything I heard through gossip has been corroborated. Where is the car?

 

[SyraKelly]

It looks like the jury did not believe the one injured or one that passed?WOW

 

[DairyGirl]

Hmmm. The POI's address is on Thomas Street in Montgomery, AL and that is the same street listed for the mom when one searches for her address.

"Lee is considered armed and dangerous. He is described as a black male approximately 5'6" tall weighing 175 pounds. His last known address was on Thomas Avenue in Montgomery. "
http://www.wsfa.com/story/18721404/missing-twins-caretaker-confirmed-dead-suspect-sought

http://www.spokeo.com/search?q=Terrye+Moorer,+Montgomery,+AL&s2=t24#:770001767

I have a feeling this isn't a coincidence

 

[Cubby]

It looks like the jury did not believe the one injured or one that passed?WOW

??? Speculation or did you find something regarding the previous murders?

 

[ellabella]

So sad. I felt from the beginning that mr Girdner(sp?) was innocent victim, and I am so sad that he and the twins are gone.

Maybe its because my grandfather was that man? This was in the days when the grandfatherly man in the neighbourhood was looked upon with kindness and love. He was nicknamed the 'candyman' and always had a bag of candy, whether at his office, or sitting on the porch that he and my grandmother would sit on for hours. All day long as parents came into his work with their kids, they would run back to his desk to get a candy(usually scotch mints, but occassionally a peanut butter log if you got lucky!) When he died thousands of people came to his funeral, from far and wide to tell stories about him, there were full and 2-page obituaries in national newspapers. I am so proud that he was my grandfather, and he truly was grandfather to the whole village.(I recently learned that this might run in the family, as I met someone who knew HIS grandfather and says he was one of the few people in the village who had a car, and he would drive around town with kids jumped up onto the running boards for a ride)

Now thankfully my community is stil like this, virtually untouched by murders,etc.(last murder was 60 years ago) despite being close to some major cities.

I can't believe I read a post her stating that we should not allow unaccompanied men into stores with children because sometimes parents cannot find their kids, don't lose your kid! . It's disturbing to me that I read that there are "some men who maybe don't have ill intentions" instead of the truth that there are some men who maybe have ill intentions, and not the other way around. Just because you hear about the crimes more and you can see what your neighbours have done via a website doesn't mean you were safer 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, and it doesn't mean that when a man actually enjoys spending time with/caring for children he is a predator.

ETA: For clarification; I am truly not trying to attack any posts here, I am just so so sad and frustrated that this is what "crime prevention" has turned into. My husband works and cares for children/young adults(with moderate to severe autism/acquired brain injuries) every day, and while is company is comprised of mostly female workers, his location is a lot of male workers. He faces hatefilled looks, suspicion and questions every day when out with his kids, who he loves so much and in whom he takes almost as much pride as a father would with their accomplishments.

 

[SyraKelly]

??? Speculation or did you find something regarding the previous murders?

In the story Donjeta posted #277-it said he was fingered by the injured one and one that passed-so I assuming the jury did not believe neither of these gentlemen.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

So I'm checking my fbook and Pat Brown's update regarding this tragedy is she'll be on NG discussing the "male babysitter who ran off with the kids" :banghead:

Ugh!

 

[PMLsmom]

Is anyone sleuthing for "places/peeps" he would run to? I'm on a kindle or I'd be on it. TIA

 

[angelmom]

So I'm checking my fbook and Pat Brown's update regarding this tragedy is she'll be on NG discussing the "male babysitter who ran off with the kids" :banghead:

Ugh!

Like she needs any help damaging her credibility.

What a moron.

 

[SyraKelly]

So I'm checking my fbook and Pat Brown's update regarding this tragedy is she'll be on NG discussing the "male babysitter who ran off with the kids" :banghead:

Ugh!

:banghead::Lord help us all!!

 

[Pensfan]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3971-Thomas-Ave-Montgomery-AL-36111/72830214_zpid/
last know address listed for Deandra M. Lee = 3971 Thomas Ave

What was mom's address on Thomas Ave.?

 

[NancyA]

So sad. I felt from the beginning that mr Girdner(sp?) was innocent victim, and I am so sad that he and the twins are gone.

Maybe its because my grandfather was that man? This was in the days when the grandfatherly man in the neighbourhood was looked upon with kindness and love. He was nicknamed the 'candyman' and always had a bag of candy, whether at his office, or sitting on the porch that he and my grandmother would sit on for hours. All day long as parents came into his work with their kids, they would run back to his desk to get a candy(usually scotch mints, but occassionally a peanut butter log if you got lucky!) When he died thousands of people came to his funeral, from far and wide to tell stories about him, there were full and 2-page obituaries in national newspapers. I am so proud that he was my grandfather, and he truly was grandfather to the whole village.(I recently learned that this might run in the family, as I met someone who knew HIS grandfather and says he was one of the few people in the village who had a car, and he would drive around town with kids jumped up onto the running boards for a ride)

Now thankfully my community is stil like this, virtually untouched by murders,etc.(last murder was 60 years ago) despite being close to some major cities.

I can't believe I read a post her stating that we should not allow unaccompanied men into stores with children because sometimes parents cannot find their kids, don't lose your kid! . It's disturbing to me that I read that there are "some men who maybe don't have ill intentions" instead of the truth that there are some men who maybe have ill intentions, and not the other way around. Just because you hear about the crimes more and you can see what your neighbours have done via a website doesn't mean you were safer 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, and it doesn't mean that when a man actually enjoys spending time with/caring for children he is a predator.

ETA: For clarification; I am truly not trying to attack any posts here, I am just so so sad and frustrated that this is what "crime prevention" has turned into. My husband works and cares for children/young adults(with moderate to severe autism/acquired brain injuries) every day, and while is company is comprised of mostly female workers, his location is a lot of male workers. He faces hatefilled looks, suspicion and questions every day when out with his kids, who he loves so much and in whom he takes almost as much pride as a father would with their accomplishments.

BBM: You are not alone, I fear for my husband, my adult sons, my brother, my many other male relatives, acquaintances and friends in a world where they are automatically suspect simply by virtue of their gender if they dare show any interest in any child whether related to them or not.

As for this case, it's incredibly sad that those two innocent children and their equally innocent caregiver have died. My thoughts go out to the mother and all others who loved these 3.

 

[Bit Analyzer]

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...-homicide?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Frontpage

This article says Deandra Lee's address is 3971 Thomas Ave, Montgomery.

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

So sad. I felt from the beginning that mr Girdner(sp?) was innocent victim, and I am so sad that he and the twins are gone.

Maybe its because my grandfather was that man? This was in the days when the grandfatherly man in the neighbourhood was looked upon with kindness and love. He was nicknamed the 'candyman' and always had a bag of candy, whether at his office, or sitting on the porch that he and my grandmother would sit on for hours. All day long as parents came into his work with their kids, they would run back to his desk to get a candy(usually scotch mints, but occassionally a peanut butter log if you got lucky!) When he died thousands of people came to his funeral, from far and wide to tell stories about him, there were full and 2-page obituaries in national newspapers. I am so proud that he was my grandfather, and he truly was grandfather to the whole village.(I recently learned that this might run in the family, as I met someone who knew HIS grandfather and says he was one of the few people in the village who had a car, and he would drive around town with kids jumped up onto the running boards for a ride)

Now thankfully my community is stil like this, virtually untouched by murders,etc.(last murder was 60 years ago) despite being close to some major cities.

I can't believe I read a post her stating that we should not allow unaccompanied men into stores with children because sometimes parents cannot find their kids, don't lose your kid! . It's disturbing to me that I read that there are "some men who maybe don't have ill intentions" instead of the truth that there are some men who maybe have ill intentions, and not the other way around. Just because you hear about the crimes more and you can see what your neighbours have done via a website doesn't mean you were safer 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, and it doesn't mean that when a man actually enjoys spending time with/caring for children he is a predator.

I TOTALLY agree with you....right from the start. I didn't submit my post early on, but I basically said the same of my Uncle Jake !!
It's a sad state of affairs when society these days programs that thinking into our brain. Who to trust??? Guess when there's "Jerry Sandusky's" in the world, who look like an "uncle" or "grandpa" and end up doing heinous things to children, who knows what to think these days. Sad.

 

[Eileen730]

So sad. I felt from the beginning that mr Girdner(sp?) was innocent victim, and I am so sad that he and the twins are gone.

Maybe its because my grandfather was that man? This was in the days when the grandfatherly man in the neighbourhood was looked upon with kindness and love. He was nicknamed the 'candyman' and always had a bag of candy, whether at his office, or sitting on the porch that he and my grandmother would sit on for hours. All day long as parents came into his work with their kids, they would run back to his desk to get a candy(usually scotch mints, but occassionally a peanut butter log if you got lucky!) When he died thousands of people came to his funeral, from far and wide to tell stories about him, there were full and 2-page obituaries in national newspapers. I am so proud that he was my grandfather, and he truly was grandfather to the whole village.(I recently learned that this might run in the family, as I met someone who knew HIS grandfather and says he was one of the few people in the village who had a car, and he would drive around town with kids jumped up onto the running boards for a ride)

Now thankfully my community is stil like this, virtually untouched by murders,etc.(last murder was 60 years ago) despite being close to some major cities.

I can't believe I read a post her stating that we should not allow unaccompanied men into stores with children because sometimes parents cannot find their kids, don't lose your kid! . It's disturbing to me that I read that there are "some men who maybe don't have ill intentions" instead of the truth that there are some men who maybe have ill intentions, and not the other way around. Just because you hear about the crimes more and you can see what your neighbours have done via a website doesn't mean you were safer 30 years ago, or 60 years ago, and it doesn't mean that when a man actually enjoys spending time with/caring for children he is a predator.

hey now wait a second I never said they shouldnt let men in stores without children.....i said I understand store policies on such matters!
Ya cant get into Chuckie Cheeses ...


Remember Brittney Baxter!


Im out for a while!
Ciao!

 

[SyraKelly]

If he lived on the same street- they had to know him-that is why they were killed as not to be indentified..moo

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

So I'm checking my fbook and Pat Brown's update regarding this tragedy is she'll be on NG discussing the "male babysitter who ran off with the kids" :banghead:

Ugh!

Thanks for the heads up...was wondering if she was going to cover it....she better watch her yap as far as badmouthing this man or she'll be eatin' a LOT of crow tomorrow eve.
Hope they revise it or, dare I say, actually do a LIVE "live" show....:banghead:

 

[mijamawi]

Heartbroken. It never gets easier to read about these horrific stories. My thoughts go to the families of these people taken in such an awful way. My heart breaks for these kids and the fear they must have felt.