GUILTY AL - Jack Girdner, 73, & DeJerinett twins, 9, found murdered, Hope Hull, 3 June 2012

  • #621
Do not know if you guys have read the article this morning on WSFA.com yet or not but they are confirming that the bodies were "dumped" on the dirt road and they are saying the words "gunshot" now. I am now wondering if there was a crime scene at the home or if he killed them in the car and that is why the doors were taken off.

I think the murders happened at the dirt road scene. The photos depicting the large amount of blood are on one of the sites. IIRC, it is the CBS site. (WAKA, maybe? I forget the affiliate call letters)

Haven't worked out the details but I think he forced all 3 out of the Mercedes and shot them execution style there. Then drove off in Jack's Mercedes. There was so much blood it appeared they bled out. That is where the bodies were located too.
 
  • #622
Also, sorry to post this w/o a link but I saw an interview with the Dallas county DA last night. He confirmed that the 2008 murders were gang related. This is the clincher though - he shot members of his OWN gang.

I will try to find a link when I have my lunch break because frankly I want to see it myself again.
 
  • #623
JMO - I think he followed them to get the kids (revenge/retaliation), forced them off the road, confronted Mr. Girdner who wouldn't let him take the kids, he shot Mr. Girdner and then the twins because they were then just witnesses...

I pretty much agree you. IMO, he followed them for robbery first. There might have been revenge against Mr. G and/or the mother, but he killed the children because they were a witness.

In the earlier MSM reports....it stated she dropped them off at Mr G's. Now, I'm wondering if that is true or a "misunderstanding" on the reporter's part; as the latest article state the three were taken near his home.

He had help of some kind....and still is. Whether it be his gang associates or his family....and, they will NOT snitch..reward offered or not. imo.

The doors missing is a quandary....as stated above, a chop shop could use many parts off a Mercedes. Hiding evidence? What kind? It would be easier to wipe it down; find the spent casing would be less time than removing car doors. ?? Not saying it's the reason, but stashing drugs and/or $$$$, in the door panels of autos is quite common when dealing.
Again, not accusing, just saying it was one of things that first popped into my head when reading about them.

Her name is MoorER. http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?f...ry&state=AL&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=82&y=16
 
  • #624
So horribly sad.
 
  • #625
fwiw, I think the ABI is correct and that he is still in Selma. Selma is not a large town. I do believe somebody is hiding him out. I doubt he is hiding in the woods or anything. I don't believe he is going to be able to leave that area. LE swarming that place. I have a feeling they are closing in. I don't think he is going to give himself up peacefully though. This guy has nothing to lose and I don't think he will be apprehended w/o a fight. Just hope there will be no hostages involved and FGS, no one else has to die. Well, unless it is him. Even then, I hope he is taken alive.

Praying that he is apprehended today.
 
  • #626
  • #627
If I had to guess at a motive right now I would say it was a combination of some sort of attempt at revenge against the mother (if the 2 were actually involved with each other prior to crime) and robbery. I know there have been a lot of comments about how this area is a "drug den," etc, but in my opinion, its not much different from any other poor, rural area in the South. In these areas you can always find a very booming drug market if you look hard enough or know where to look....sometimes you don't even have to look very hard. Also, not unlike many other areas in ALL parts of this country, there are some very evil people who live among everyone else and these people don't have a conscience or care who they hurt as long as it gets them whatever it is they are after.....whether that be money, drugs, revenge, etc. On top of all of this, you have just your "regular" criminals who basically make a living off of stealing cars, breaking into homes, etc and all of these individuals are usually somehow intertwined (either directly or indirectly) in an area like this. Living among these "bad" guys, are people like Mr. G who have nice houses and appear to be "rich" to a majority of the community, even though these people may simply be middle class and not "rich" at all. Obviously, these "rich" folks stand out and can easily be targeted for crimes.

In my opinion, the suspect (and possibly others or at the prompting of others) set out to rob Mr. G and he probably knew that he was babysitting the twins on that day. He knew that Mr. G would probably be at his most vulnerable with the kids present and be as compliant as possible hoping that no harm would come to the kids or himself if he cooperated. Not only do I think the suspect probably believed or actually knew Mr. G kept money and other valuables at his home, but I think the car may have actually been a target too. There is a booming black market for any type of auto parts, especially those from imports such as an older Benz since certain items are difficult to find for these cars and when you can find them they are expensive. I think it could have been as "simple" as someone the suspect knew saw Mr. G's car and knew someone who needed/wanted certain parts from that model car, even if it was just the doors. Although, I have a feeling that if the doors were the only things that were actually removed from the car then whoever was doing the "chopping" was interrupted before they could finish getting everything they wanted since there are other valuable parts on that car that could easily be sold. Also, it doesn't make sense that the only evidence of the crime was on the 4 car doors, front and back, but no other part of the car and the doors were removed to try and conceal evidence. If there were bullet holes in the doors, there was blood all over the doors and everything else in the interior of the car, so simply taking off the doors would be a time-consuming task that accomplished nothing to help hide evidence and actually would have created another problem since the doors would then have to be disposed of in some manner in order to conceal them. If the car had evidence in it that the suspect wanted to destroy then he would have set the car on fire or drove it into a lake/river. Also, based on the limited reports we've seen, it appears the victims were probably killed where they were found based on the amount of blood that's been reported as being present on the dirt road.

I think the murders may or may not have been planned by the suspect prior to the robbery attempt and we may never truly know the answer to that, but no matter what, there were 3 innocent individuals murdered in cold blood at the end of the day. It doesn't really make sense to me that the suspect would have the intention of murdering all 3 during the course of a robbery since there would have been (I assume) plenty of better opportunities for him to murder Mr. G or the kids if he truly wanted one or all of them dead for whatever reason. If he wanted revenge on the mother and thought he could get that by murdering her children, he could have hurt her a lot more by actually murdering them in her presence and it would have presented a much less risky situation in which to do such an act, rather than doing it when the kids are with a grown man who could potentially defend himself and the children against such an attack, at least better than the mother could most likely. I think the suspect probably arrived at Mr. G's home to rob him and something didn't go as he planned, whether it be that he allowed them to see his face or they recognized his voice (if he was attempting to conceal his identity since he just planned on stealing from Mr. G). This curveball probably led to the suspect thinking he had no other option other than to eliminate the witnesses, which he may not have minded doing anyway, especially if he was angry at the mother for breaking up with him or for some other reason.

Great thought out post!!!

Agree, he was very stupid in not getting rid of vehicle....he'll be caught...and soon. imo This guy thinks he's invincible JUST BECAUSE he is still running free. ***Want to add, the one he accused of doing the other 2 murders was the guy that was injured, but lived.
 
  • #628
JMO - I think he followed them to get the kids (revenge/retaliation), forced them off the road, confronted Mr. Girdner who wouldn't let him take the kids, he shot Mr. Girdner and then the twins because they were then just witnesses...

Then who took his car if the guy was in another car?
 
  • #629
In the Hudson case, Jennifer's sister broke up with her 🤬🤬🤬🤬 boyfriend. He was a jerk with a violent criminal history and he wanted revenge. So he went to the Hudson home and killed Jennifer's mother, her brother, and he took her 9 yr old nephew with him in the car. And they eventually found him dead, shot in the head. I think the trial is going on now.


The trial is over, guilty on all counts.
 
  • #630
Any locals know if there are road blocks in Selma?

ETA: Interstate 65 runs north and south...from Mobile, AL to Chicago...and runs right through the area we are dealing with. IMO
 
  • #631
An Alabama man acquitted in a double murder is being charged with killing 9-year-old twins and their elderly baby sitter earlier this week, a prosecutor said Thursday.

Police are looking for Deandra Marquis Lee, 22, who was out on bail on felony gun and robbery charges when the killings occurred Tuesday. He has been charged with three counts of murder, Lowndes County District Attorney Charlotte Tesmer said.
http://www.wate.com/story/18732026/apnewsbreak-ala-man-charged-in-twins-slayings


From the above MSM article:

Lee was riding in a car with three fellow gang members when a dispute erupted over a gun, Jackson said. Two men were slain and a third man was wounded, and jurors acquitted Lee after he and the survivor each accused the other of the slayings.

And now he's killed three more. These counties need to do what the burbs of Chicago does with known gang bangers. They can be thrown in jail for standing on the corner. They can be thrown in jail for even being near known gang bangers. They can and are sued for the costs of police investigations into their crimes. I believe both Kane and DuPage counties are doing that and have for a few years.
 
  • #632
You know this POI could have killed Mr. G because he was white visiting a black woman....suppose this upset him, after he spoke with the mom and maybe mom stated very nice things about Mr. G and he goes there to kill him, he killed the kids because he left no witnesses. MOO just a theory.
 
  • #633
You know this POI could have killed Mr. G because he was white visiting a black woman....suppose this upset him, after he spoke with the mom and maybe mom stated very nice things about Mr. G and he goes there to kill him, he killed the kids because he left no witnesses. MOO just a theory.

This 🤬🤬🤬 would not waste any of his time on a moral/political issue, imo. It's all about what he could come away with...whatever the motive, but robbery/theft and entitlement...are his game.
 
  • #634
  • #635
You know this POI could have killed Mr. G because he was white visiting a black woman....suppose this upset him, after he spoke with the mom and maybe mom stated very nice things about Mr. G and he goes there to kill him, he killed the kids because he left no witnesses. MOO just a theory.

Then he would have killed Mr G and the woman!

I think this man is mad at the MOM!
How do u hurt Mom?
You hurt her children!

JMO

DL could have taken Mr G anytime....and robbed him!

This to me was not about a Mercedes or money this was personal!
 
  • #636
Iv been looking for info on the husband that killed himself outside their home while she was hiding inside.

Seems this woman has sure had her share of misfortune!
 
  • #637
This 🤬🤬🤬 would not waste any of his time on a moral/political issue, imo. It's all about what he could come away with...whatever the motive, but robbery/theft and entitlement...are his game.
..........and Mr. Girder was Dr. Girdner, a retired anesthesiologist who was likely thought to have lots of money. Terrya attended his church and likely knew he had a very high income before his retirement.
http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/b73aa25fb3634954af7abfad52b2c61f/US-Twins-Killed
 
  • #638
Then who took his car if the guy was in another car?

He had time, JMO, to drive and dump the car and then return to get his...he coulda hidden his. They weren't reported missing for quite a few hours.
 
  • #639
He had time, JMO, to drive and dump the car and then return to get his...he coulda hidden his. They weren't reported missing for quite a few hours.

Well I dont know!
We dont know if he used his car or if he even has a car!
 
  • #640
Also, sorry to post this w/o a link but I saw an interview with the Dallas county DA last night. He confirmed that the 2008 murders were gang related. This is the clincher though - he shot members of his OWN gang.

I will try to find a link when I have my lunch break because frankly I want to see it myself again.

This article states they were fellow gang members.

Lee was riding in a car with three fellow gang members when a dispute erupted over a gun, Jackson said. Two men were slain and a third man was wounded, and jurors acquitted Lee after he and the survivor each accused the other of the slayings.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/1...harged-in-twins-slayings?clienttype=printable
 

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