AL - Kahleb Rowan Collins, 1, his dad & sis were killed in a car crash, he wasn't with them, Fayette County, 8 Dec 2024
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The quote above is why I feel very unsympathetic towards the mom.
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I wish her children had become here reality rather than her man. Had she made those two littles ones her reality and focus they'd both be alive today 
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Bailey confessed to investigators that after Kahleb's death, his small body was placed in a bag and stored in an outdoor shed 'for a brief period' before being moved to an unknown location.
The document states: 'After Kahleb died, his body was placed into a bag and stored in an outside storage building for a brief period prior to final disposal at an unknown location.'
Photographs show the little boy bruised and face up lying on the ground as well as 'hanging from a loft with a rope with blood present on his body.'
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The document states: 'After Kahleb died, his body was placed into a bag and stored in an outside storage building for a brief period prior to final disposal at an unknown location.'
Photographs show the little boy bruised and face up lying on the ground as well as 'hanging from a loft with a rope with blood present on his body.'
How a car crash unearthed a twisted family secret
A high-speed crash on an Alabama road has unearthed a family's darkest secrets - ones that could send a mother to prison for life.
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There are no emoji's below that fit for this post. Angry, sad, shock, laugh, love or like. We need outrage or horrified, something that does it justice.Bailey confessed to investigators that after Kahleb's death, his small body was placed in a bag and stored in an outdoor shed 'for a brief period' before being moved to an unknown location.
The document states: 'After Kahleb died, his body was placed into a bag and stored in an outside storage building for a brief period prior to final disposal at an unknown location.'
Photographs show the little boy bruised and face up lying on the ground as well as 'hanging from a loft with a rope with blood present on his body.'
How a car crash unearthed a twisted family secret
A high-speed crash on an Alabama road has unearthed a family's darkest secrets - ones that could send a mother to prison for life.
Animals , thats what these
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These are monsters, not animals. Animals are not nasty, they only kill to survive. Humans are the only species that tortures and kills for pleasure and other sick needs.
(Credit The Most Dangerous Animal in the World - Wikipedia)
(Credit The Most Dangerous Animal in the World - Wikipedia)
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Too bad that he was conveniently killed (or conveniently killed himself) in the car accident, I would have preferred to see karma act in another way. Like in jail where child molesters and killers are not well seen.Bailey confessed to investigators that after Kahleb's death, his small body was placed in a bag and stored in an outdoor shed 'for a brief period' before being moved to an unknown location.
The document states: 'After Kahleb died, his body was placed into a bag and stored in an outside storage building for a brief period prior to final disposal at an unknown location.'
Photographs show the little boy bruised and face up lying on the ground as well as 'hanging from a loft with a rope with blood present on his body.'
How a car crash unearthed a twisted family secret
A high-speed crash on an Alabama road has unearthed a family's darkest secrets - ones that could send a mother to prison for life.
I keep asking myself, why the little boy. Usually fathers , while adoring daughters, are especially proud of having a little mini-me for boy activities.
There are according to literature 5 filicide motives, the most common being fatal maltreatment, which is what happened in this case (abuse and neglect).
Another common motive is an unwanted child, seen as a hindrance. But usually killing occurs before toddler years.
i think we have both here. He was IMO obviously unwanted (cost of a second child, cost of health issues, personality, possibly different bio father, disruption of the “perfect” trio with the sister, other social stressors, who knows) which resulted in neglect, then worsening of his conditions, making him even more unwanted, resulting in abuse and death.
on paternal filicide, I quote:
“ Fathers and mothers kill their children at similar rates; however, mothers’ victims are younger on average. Fathers are more likely to kill impulsively, to be intoxicated, and to use violent methods.
Mothers who kill their children are much more likely than fathers to pursue an insanity defense successfully. Therefore, after a filicide, fathers are more often incarcerated than mothers, while mothers are more frequently hospitalized in a psychiatric facility. In addition, fathers are more likely to kill themselves after murdering their children than mothers are.”
Parents Who Kill: Clinical and Legal Perspectives
Psychiatrists should not be afraid to assess parenting issues and other stressors when treating depressed or psychotic parents of young children.
Compared to maternal perpetrators, research has shown that paternal perpetrators who killed their children were older, had more than one victim, were more likely to attempt or die by suicide following the offence, were more likely to use a weapon or another violent method (Cavanagh et al., 2007; Dawson, 2015; Queensland Sentencing Advisory Council, 2018; Johnson & Dawson, 2021)
This study examined the backgrounds of fathers who fatally abuse their children and the contexts within which these homicides occur. The type of relationship between victim, perpetrator, and the victim's mother was a particular interest:
Results
This was a group of undereducated, underemployed men with significant criminal histories. All except one victim had been subjected to previous violence by the offender, almost three-quarter of whom had also perpetrated violence against their intimate partners (the child's birth mother). Many men had unreasonable expectations and low tolerance levels of normal childhood behaviors, and many appeared jealous and resentful of these young children. All 26 victims were under 4 years of age.Key findings from this study suggest a number of risk factors that are both distinct and interrelated. The majority of men (62%) were not the biological father of the victim, and the great majority were cohabiting with (81%) rather than married to (15%) the birth mother. These findings highlight the importance of relationships, both between the perpetrator and the child and between the perpetrator and his intimate partner.
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you're right, they are worse than animals. but I couldnt think of anything else.
What a sick sick person, I guess thats why he coudnt live with himself. Same goes for her. I want to know why she even got in that car and didnt strap her baby into the carseat.
I am starting to think it was a planned M/S ? Why else would you not strap your baby in? I bet the only thing she is sorry for is that she woke up.
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remember this guy, similar story
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Caleb Whisnand led police to murdered 5-week-old son, told baby’s mother, ‘I’m sorry,’ detective says
Caleb Whisnand led police to murdered 5-week-old son, told baby’s mother, ‘I’m sorry,’ detective says
An investigator testified Whisnand then “looked at me and asked me to shoot him.”
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all we can do now is wait for the hearing to learn more and pray that someone still living knows where Kahleb's body can be found and tells authorities.
A preliminary hearing is set for January 15, where more details of this heartbreaking case are expected to emerge.
How a car crash unearthed a twisted family secret
A preliminary hearing is set for January 15, where more details of this heartbreaking case are expected to emerge.
How a car crash unearthed a twisted family secret
I don’t really have anything to add, but I’m just so tired of reading about babies and children being neglected, abused, tortured and murdered. I just can’t stop crying thinking about how awful his short life was, it is truly heartbreaking.
I made a decision fairly early on in life to not have children because I knew I wouldn’t be a good parent. I wish people would learn some self-awareness early on and accept that not everyone should have children.
I made a decision fairly early on in life to not have children because I knew I wouldn’t be a good parent. I wish people would learn some self-awareness early on and accept that not everyone should have children.
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Stories about babies are hard to hear. There was one case where the mom went on vacation , left her baby at home, in court they played the neighbors ring camera recording of the baby crying Im sure the baby cried for a full day and I had to shut it off. I didnt need to torture myself any longer than about 10 seconds. ( Kristel something )I dont even want to say her name.
Mental health is starting to get routine , so if you do something so atrocious that it must be because of mental health. I dont even want to start on that topic.
this person (wendy) I really want to knw why her daughter wasnt secured in that car seat. was she just negligent? was she forced in and didnt have time to put her in the car seat? or did she know he was going to drive into a tree at 90mph , even then why put the baby at risk?
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Crimes against children, especially children abused and murdered by their parents or adults who have full access to them, shatter me. I generally will not read those cases anymore. This happened in my state and that's the only reason I've followed it at all, but it's broken something inside of me. I cannot understand and I will never understand. For every guilty child abuser/torturer/killer, especially parents, may there be a Hell and may they be damned to it for eternity.
My broken-hearted opinion and judgement only.
My broken-hearted opinion and judgement only.
I have been reading along here, and usually if I see/ hear/ read about an interesting case, I will discuss it with family or friends. I have talked to no one about this case as I find it so heinous!
I do wonder, however, about Wendy/Pam. She is only 22. She had 2 children in a fairly short amount of time, with a man quite a bit older that her. Their relationship must have begun when she was barely legal at age 18.
Where was her father in all this? He was living in the same house. He was obviously not protecting his grandchildren, and it makes me question what his role in his own daughter’s life was.
I am not defending her or her actions, but I would love to know more background.
How did she meet Collins?
Were they actually married?
How old was she when they met?
How long was she in AL?
Why did her father live with them?
I do wonder, however, about Wendy/Pam. She is only 22. She had 2 children in a fairly short amount of time, with a man quite a bit older that her. Their relationship must have begun when she was barely legal at age 18.
Where was her father in all this? He was living in the same house. He was obviously not protecting his grandchildren, and it makes me question what his role in his own daughter’s life was.
I am not defending her or her actions, but I would love to know more background.
How did she meet Collins?
Were they actually married?
How old was she when they met?
How long was she in AL?
Why did her father live with them?
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Maybe he thought the little boy was fathered by someone else?Too bad that he was conveniently killed (or conveniently killed himself) in the car accident, I would have preferred to see karma act in another way. Like in jail where child molesters and killers are not well seen.
I keep asking myself, why the little boy. Usually fathers , while adoring daughters, are especially proud of having a little mini-me for boy activities.
There are according to literature 5 filicide motives, the most common being fatal maltreatment, which is what happened in this case (abuse and neglect).
Another common motive is an unwanted child, seen as a hindrance. But usually killing occurs before toddler years.
i think we have both here. He was IMO obviously unwanted (cost of a second child, cost of health issues, personality, possibly different bio father, disruption of the “perfect” trio with the sister, other social stressors, who knows) which resulted in neglect, then worsening of his conditions, making him even more unwanted, resulting in abuse and death.
on paternal filicide, I quote:
“ Fathers and mothers kill their children at similar rates; however, mothers’ victims are younger on average. Fathers are more likely to kill impulsively, to be intoxicated, and to use violent methods.
Mothers who kill their children are much more likely than fathers to pursue an insanity defense successfully. Therefore, after a filicide, fathers are more often incarcerated than mothers, while mothers are more frequently hospitalized in a psychiatric facility. In addition, fathers are more likely to kill themselves after murdering their children than mothers are.”
Parents Who Kill: Clinical and Legal Perspectives
Psychiatrists should not be afraid to assess parenting issues and other stressors when treating depressed or psychotic parents of young children.www.psychiatrictimes.com
Compared to maternal perpetrators, research has shown that paternal perpetrators who killed their children were older, had more than one victim, were more likely to attempt or die by suicide following the offence, were more likely to use a weapon or another violent method (Cavanagh et al., 2007; Dawson, 2015; Queensland Sentencing Advisory Council, 2018; Johnson & Dawson, 2021)
This study examined the backgrounds of fathers who fatally abuse their children and the contexts within which these homicides occur. The type of relationship between victim, perpetrator, and the victim's mother was a particular interest:
Results
This was a group of undereducated, underemployed men with significant criminal histories. All except one victim had been subjected to previous violence by the offender, almost three-quarter of whom had also perpetrated violence against their intimate partners (the child's birth mother). Many men had unreasonable expectations and low tolerance levels of normal childhood behaviors, and many appeared jealous and resentful of these young children. All 26 victims were under 4 years of age.
Key findings from this study suggest a number of risk factors that are both distinct and interrelated. The majority of men (62%) were not the biological father of the victim, and the great majority were cohabiting with (81%) rather than married to (15%) the birth mother. These findings highlight the importance of relationships, both between the perpetrator and the child and between the perpetrator and his intimate partner.
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Or maybe a son didn't fit in with his plans for future. If Pam was being abused and afraid of him to the point she wouldn't even protect her own innocent small children I doubt very much she was out sleeping around.
Personally, I think Steven Bradley Collins was simply a bad man, with a bad attitude, probably a bullying type personality where nothing was his own fault and life was so hard on him because [insert whoever he blamed in that moment made it that way]
A typical uneducated, petty, lazy, little (small in character and personality not stature) man who needed to feel like a bigger one. Willing to bet there was a big meth problem in the home, which to me explains why the other adults didn't protect those kids. I think they feared him but not for the reasons everyone thinks. I think they all had knowledge of one another's dirty little secrets and didn't trust one another enough to part ways and so they all cohabitated miserably together with the children in the way, annoying with their needs, and an easy place for big man Steven to direct his rage at how unfairly life had treated him. JMO
My understanding was that Steven wasn't working. Haven't heard anything about whether John worked or not. To my knowledge, Pam was the only one in the household who was employed. So the idea that she and John were financially dependent on Steven doesn't track for me. I think they depended on him for other things like childcare and drugs. JMO
Personally, I think Steven Bradley Collins was simply a bad man, with a bad attitude, probably a bullying type personality where nothing was his own fault and life was so hard on him because [insert whoever he blamed in that moment made it that way]
A typical uneducated, petty, lazy, little (small in character and personality not stature) man who needed to feel like a bigger one. Willing to bet there was a big meth problem in the home, which to me explains why the other adults didn't protect those kids. I think they feared him but not for the reasons everyone thinks. I think they all had knowledge of one another's dirty little secrets and didn't trust one another enough to part ways and so they all cohabitated miserably together with the children in the way, annoying with their needs, and an easy place for big man Steven to direct his rage at how unfairly life had treated him. JMO
My understanding was that Steven wasn't working. Haven't heard anything about whether John worked or not. To my knowledge, Pam was the only one in the household who was employed. So the idea that she and John were financially dependent on Steven doesn't track for me. I think they depended on him for other things like childcare and drugs. JMO
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I'd also like some clarity.
WB & SBC lived in Louisiana when WB was pregnant with HC before moving to Alabama and the grandfather is also from there and that's where some relatives still reside. Baileys and Collins.
Was HC born in Louisiana or Alabama?
Did the couple move to Alabama to be with/near grandfather JEB or visa/versa?
Was an autopsy performed on HC that showed she died in the accident on 12/8 and not before then?
Where was JEB on 12/8 when the accident took place?
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