Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #3

[MsMarple]

Maybe because the primary witness is himself a child?

I don't mean the witness but rather the adult(s) who threw the birthday party. As far as I know no reporter has attempted to talk to them about the party itself. Was it for a friend of Cupcake's? A relative? Who took her to the party? Was it a children's party or an adult's? Stuff like that.

Usually at least one reporter would be curious enough to get the story of the circumstances leading up to an abduction as it would provide some background. I know there are many rumors - I'm looking for information in msm.

 

[Simply Southern]

OCT 16, 2019
Search experts warn social media could hurt kidnapping investigation
Search experts caution you may be slowing down the investigation into Kamille McKinney’s kidnapping through social media.

[...]

“You have to be very careful about the message that gets out - you’re not a detective,” said David White, Assistant Search Director with EquuSearch.

[...]

“This is not something to play with. Leave it alone on Facebook. Give us credible information and work with us to resolve it,” said Smith.

Members of the national missing person search agency EquuSearch say in these cases, police are tracking all information. When they have to search through discussions and chat rooms, it’s wasting time.

[...]

According to White, he’s not sure if the team plan to come to the area to assist in Kamille’s search. He says that’s something that’s coordinated through the family and law enforcement.

Well, that horse is out of the gate and long gone.

SM is blazing....

Jmo

 

[ZsaZsa]

I was wondering if they brought in dogs during the original search of the housing area? Also when they obtained the car- either bloodhounds or cadaver dog , but I don't suppose that info is available yet.

 

[Lillymac]

Well, that horse is out of the gate and long gone.

SM is blazing....

Jmo

When you say SM do you mean FB? I can't find anything newsy on FB. Just stuff we already know.

 

[Simply Southern]

I don't mean the witness but rather the adult(s) who threw the birthday party. As far as I know no reporter has attempted to talk to them about the party itself. Was it for a friend of Cupcake's? A relative? Who took her to the party? Was it a children's party or an adult's? Stuff like that.

Usually at least one reporter would be curious enough to get the story of the circumstances leading up to an abduction as it would provide some background. I know there are many rumors - I'm looking for information in msm.

MOO, I'm sure the media has tried...radio silence from the party hostess, her family and friend's.

Jmo

 

[swanniee11]

Yeah, that’s a hard thing to get past. It’s one thing if they had honed in on these two because of their past crimes, but that’s not what happened.

The child was discovered as a direct result of the kidnapping investigation.

The odds of two people with these types of felonies not being involved, just can’t be good.

Stranger things have happened I guess, but at this point I’ve got to believe they’ve got the right people.

Agreed not to mention the matching vehicle. There's just too much to not take notice.

 

[MizStery]

It seems Cupcake spent a lot of time in her Grandmother's care, too. She described her as her "right hand." She said she was always with her.

Imo

It is interesting that Cupcake’s Father and Grandmother have provided us the best understanding of their immediate family.

Thanks for mentioning how the Grandmother has provided unconditional love and care to Cupcake.

Just My Opinion

 

[Drc40]

I don't mean the witness but rather the adult(s) who threw the birthday party. As far as I know no reporter has attempted to talk to them about the party itself. Was it for a friend of Cupcake's? A relative? Who took her to the party? Was it a children's party or an adult's? Stuff like that.

Usually at least one reporter would be curious enough to get the story of the circumstances leading up to an abduction as it would provide some background. I know there are many rumors - I'm looking for information in msm.

They’re not talking to police so they sure aren’t going to talk to media. People claiming to have been at the party have made explicit details known on SM. What appeared to be the most pertinent stuff has been wiped clean. They were getting major harassment and hundreds of messages. I’m sure there are many copies saved.

 

[Simply Southern]

When you say SM do you mean FB? I can't find anything newsy on FB. Just stuff we already know.

It's blazing with rumors, accusations, and local amateur "reporters" with live feeds.

Jerry Springer material for sure.

Jmo

 

[MimosaMornings]

Cajun Coast SAR has Cupcake’s info on their page. I think they are about 5.5 hours from Birmingham.

 

[PommyMommy]

I don't mean the witness but rather the adult(s) who threw the birthday party. As far as I know no reporter has attempted to talk to them about the party itself. Was it for a friend of Cupcake's? A relative? Who took her to the party? Was it a children's party or an adult's? Stuff like that.

Usually at least one reporter would be curious enough to get the story of the circumstances leading up to an abduction as it would provide some background. I know there are many rumors - I'm looking for information in msm.

She went to the party with her mother according to these articles. MOO

OCT 14, 2019
Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney: What we know 4 days after Birmingham abduction
Kamille was with her mother, April Thomas, and other family members at the birthday party in a parking lot off 41st Place North.

OCT 16, 2019
Search for Alabama 3-year-old who vanished from birthday party expands to other states
Kamille was with her mother and other relatives at the home of the person throwing the party, Birmingham Police Department Deputy Chief Scott Praytor said Sunday.

Praytor said Kamille's mother is being cooperative and is "extremely upset."

Well, that horse is out of the gate and long gone.

SM is blazing....

Jmo

No surprise there whatsoever, lol. ​

 

[ZsaZsa]

If that's the case they got very lucky finding a guy with child on his phone and a woman who tried to kidnap before. I'm not saying your wrong or that these 2 have something to do with it at this point but dear god, either serious luck or LE is on to something. IMO

Plus he is not just a perv with photos on his phone, they charged him with intent to distribute, so this is a $$$ proposition for him.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

So if these POI’s have no connection with Tom Brown Village (hope that mane is right) and no one there nor Cupcake or her family, what then?

Is it realistic to think that these two would go to this neighborhood, housing unit, apartments or whatever the right term is to kidnap a child? I do agree with this thought that I’ve heard on social media.. why would someone go to the projects to kidnap? Seems like there would be a big chance of deadly consequences if caught there? Supposedly outsiders just don’t “show up” there without being noticed and questioned. Were they really there?

 

[MsMarple]

She went to the party with her mother according to these articles. MOO

OCT 14, 2019
Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney: What we know 4 days after Birmingham abduction
Kamille was with her mother, April Thomas, and other family members at the birthday party in a parking lot off 41st Place North.

OCT 16, 2019
Search for Alabama 3-year-old who vanished from birthday party expands to other states
Kamille was with her mother and other relatives at the home of the person throwing the party, Birmingham Police Department Deputy Chief Scott Praytor said Sunday.

Praytor said Kamille's mother is being cooperative and is "extremely upset."

No surprise there whatsoever, lol. ​

Thanks for that! So it's confirmed her mom was at the party with Cupcake and that other relatives were also there? That helps. I didn't realize her mom was present when Cupcake was taken. No mention of whose party it was though - friend or relative. Maybe it doesn't matter as long as LE has all the information. I dunno.

And no mention of whether or not the POIs knew anyone living at Tom Brown Village. IMO that would give a hint as to why they were in that area at that particular time. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Plus he is not just a perv with photos on his phone, they charged him with intent to distribute, so this is a $$$ proposition for him.

Not necessarily. Many of these guys will trade child with one another.

So it’s possible that he’s selling it, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

If this guy is in fact involved in this kidnapping, I don’t believe that child has anything to do with it.

Rather, the child shows what type of person he is, and what he is capable of. Men who kidnap and kill children tend to also possess this sort of thing.

Hopefully that didn’t happen here.

 

[Steelslady]

I have watched the extended non-edited video of Cupcake’s father. Now it’s disappeared.The current version Pommy Mommy links in her post is edited from the original. I took notes and was so sad watching him breakdown over his abducted daughter.

I feel like I am relying on reading tea leaves but my impression from Kamille’s father was her mother April is a very good mother and a hard worker and faithfully went to work everyday. If I swirl my tea cup I am going to guess that Cupcake’s mother April couldn’t afford daycare and depended on her 11 year old son and the cousin who lives at Tom Brown Housing to help care for Kamille. Perhaps paying her cousin a nominal amount for Cupcake’s care? Mr. McKinney Cupcake’s father was emphatic that he personally would be opposed to the cousin living at Tom Brown Housing caring for Cupcake.(I will call this post a ’theory’ because I have seen her father only once in the unedited version;IF someone remembers the extended version & a link I would appreciate posting it)

Just My Opinion

I listened to it, too, and I can back you up when the father said he was opposed to the cousin watching Cupcake. I also heard him praise Cupcake's mother. Crazy that it was edited.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Maybe they switched cars??

Also, it was dark, right? I myself am not sure that in the pitch black, I would be able to tell light green from light gray, or tell silver from tan. There's not a huge difference. I've also had the experience of trying to find a ride at an airport, etc. in pitch black, last December when 85% of cars rolling by appeared to be white, silver, or gray; it was very difficult to tell the two shades of cars from each other, with headlights shining and reflecting on them from other cars.

 

[Steelslady]

She went to the party with her mother according to these articles. MOO

OCT 14, 2019
Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney: What we know 4 days after Birmingham abduction
Kamille was with her mother, April Thomas, and other family members at the birthday party in a parking lot off 41st Place North.

OCT 16, 2019
Search for Alabama 3-year-old who vanished from birthday party expands to other states
Kamille was with her mother and other relatives at the home of the person throwing the party, Birmingham Police Department Deputy Chief Scott Praytor said Sunday.

Praytor said Kamille's mother is being cooperative and is "extremely upset."

No surprise there whatsoever, lol. ​

Verily interesting.......

 

[Steelslady]

So if these POI’s have no connection with Tom Brown Village (hope that mane is right) and no one there nor Cupcake or her family, what then?

Is it realistic to think that these two would go to this neighborhood, housing unit, apartments or whatever the right term is to kidnap a child? I do agree with this thought that I’ve heard on social media.. why would someone go to the projects to kidnap? Seems like there would be a big chance of deadly consequences if caught there? Supposedly outsiders just don’t “show up” there without being noticed and questioned. Were they really there?

Well then, we'd have an 11 year old who's a liar, after witnessing his sister being kidnapped.

I would think that LE had someone who is trained to work with children talk to him and would be able to determine if he was telling the truth. If he wasn't, I think we'd know by now that his story was false. What reason would her own brother have to lie?

Not saying it couldn't happen, but boy oh boy, that would be awful, wouldn't it?

 

[Steelslady]

Maybe they switched cars??

Also, it was dark, right? I myself am not sure that in the pitch black, I would be able to tell light green from light gray, or tell silver from tan. There's not a huge difference. I've also had the experience of trying to find a ride at an airport, etc. in pitch black, last December when 85% of cars rolling by appeared to be white, silver, or gray; it was very difficult to tell the two shades of cars from each other, with headlights shining and reflecting on them from other cars.

Years ago, there was five of us going for a walk. Something happened where we all had to give a description of the car- out of the five, only two agreed on the color and make. At the time, we didn't think to look at the license plate. It was dark out, and we were all adults and sober, in case anyone is wondering. I can see where a child or any adult could mess up colors at night. We also stood next to the damn car, and ended up with four descriptions!