Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[This guy you know]

Also meant to question earlier posts that PS is 6’7”- I think this is completely inaccurate based on CS photos.
He appears to be under 6’, but can’t see anything on his booking photo
Moo

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Same conclusion on my end.
PS appears to wear fitted hip huggers in the convenience store pictures. They wear them low which requires one to walk like you’ve crapped your pants.
POI in the video appears to wearing similar.

LE has not said the CS images of PS were collected from the following Sunday morning or if they made the bolo after connecting initial description of the vehicle and CS images from previous days.

Either way the cctv footage shows someone in the 5’8”-10” range as the little ones in side by side comparison reach POI crotch area- which is lower do to the sagging pants.
Moo

WHY would LE state “A second man, who has a distinctive limp”
That’s very deceiving when all guys that wear the crotch at the knee pants walk with a limp?!


Kamille McKinney abduction: Police release surveillance video from night of disappearance

 

[SouthAussie]

Is anyone else curious as to why both children weren’t taken? In the video it sure looks like both little tinies follow the 2nd man willingly.
*If* this is a case of trafficking... wouldn’t 2 children be like winning the lottery for a perpetrator?

I think it is possible that the other child did not run all the way to the awaiting person/vehicle or wherever they were told there would be candy/a puppy/whatever.

We cannot see anything further than the range of the video. I wonder if we could see a longer segment of the video exactly when we would see the other child wandering or running back. If it was quite quickly.

It could even be that the person who was watching them realised they weren't there and started calling for them. One child quickly wandered back, KM was picked up and taken by POI #2 - because he couldn't carry both of them.

Either way, the other child got one heck of a lucky break. imo

 

[Momof4RN]

And WHY would LE state “A second man, who has a distinctive limp”
That’s very deceiving when all guys that wear the crotch at the knee pants walk with a limp?!


Kamille McKinney abduction: Police release surveillance video from night of disappearance

LE didn’t. News outlet did. LE made no description about either of the men involved. Chief was asked if they had any other identifying characteristics for man #1 and he said no. He has no focus on man #2 because they know who he is, have spoken to him, and consider him a suspect.

 

[Momof4RN]

And just to add to my above post. Apparently it is non of our business who they have named a suspect. Even if naming the suspect could help identify POI man#1. Moo

 

[oviedo]

Morning all - no new news - I had hoped with the release of the video there would be a break - I’m still leaning to target and known - that’s why only one child was taken IMO

 

[n4k]

Hi. Thoughts on body language for any of the players involved?

In this video, I do not see anything significant r/t body language other than neither poi appear aggressive. Slow that video down and I imagine we see two men casually strolling past the kids pausing shortly to speak to the kids. What I do notice is that poi 2 never looks back to see if the kids are following him. He either knows them and is confident they will follow, or he goes on his way oblivious to the fact they are following him.

LE teased us with a small section of this video. We do not know how soon the other child returned, or tbh, whether only one child returned to that area or if this was even the last known sighting of CC.

As for the father's body language in his live video, I just do not think it can accurately be assessed. Emotion, fatigue, and life experiences all play into how one reacts to stressful situations. This would be stressful to him regardless of whether he is involved or not. I read very little into his words or body language in his lives.

Birmingham has a large homeless population, many of them transient. This could be something to look at, too.

 

[alyssa5597]

Morning all - no new news - I had hoped with the release of the video there would be a break - I’m still leaning to target and known - that’s why only one child was taken IMO

Reasons why it may be only one child IMO:

• The other child ran back before reaching the vehicle
• The other child refused to go
• As soon as he grabbed Cupcake, the other child got spooked and ran off
• It’s not easy to control two three year olds at once so he just randomly took one between the two of them
• Abducting another child probably would have had even more eyes on him immediately
• He wanted to get out super quickly and just grabbed one child and sped off instead of taking the time to put the other in the car
• If they were being held in an apartment or something, someone would be more likely to hear or notice two toddlers rather than just one

 

[Endill]

Also meant to question earlier posts that PS is 6’7”- I think this is completely inaccurate based on CS photos.
He appears to be under 6’, but can’t see anything on his booking photo
Moo

PS is definitely NOT 6’7”. According to his recent Jefferson County Arrest record, which is screenshotted and attached, Patrick Stallworth is only 6’1” and 180lbs. Inmate Detail - STALLWORTH, PATRICK DEVONE

 

[jjenny]

Reasons why it may be only one child IMO:

• The other child ran back before reaching the vehicle
• The other child refused to go
• As soon as he grabbed Cupcake, the other child got spooked and ran off
• It’s not easy to control two three year olds at once so he just randomly took one between the two of them
• Abducting another child probably would have had even more eyes on him immediately
• He wanted to get out super quickly and just grabbed one child and sped off instead of taking the time to put the other in the car
• If they were being held in an apartment or something, someone would be more likely to hear or notice two toddlers rather than just one

If the perp is a pedo, another reason could be one child appealed to him more than the other child.

 

[Momof4RN]

Reasons why it may be only one child IMO:

• The other child ran back before reaching the vehicle
• The other child refused to go
• As soon as he grabbed Cupcake, the other child got spooked and ran off
• It’s not easy to control two three year olds at once so he just randomly took one between the two of them
• Abducting another child probably would have had even more eyes on him immediately
• He wanted to get out super quickly and just grabbed one child and sped off instead of taking the time to put the other in the car
• If they were being held in an apartment or something, someone would be more likely to hear or notice two toddlers rather than just one

I think there r likely many more reason why child #2 was spared.
I.e. child #2 is related to suspect, or child #2 family had no beef with Those involved.

 

[MissMalowe]

I'm stumped on a lot of main/important aspects of this case.

LE believes more than one person is involved. By involved, do you think they meant directly or indirectly as in perhaps knowledge of the person(s) involved or the reason why or the location of Kamille?

The photos/videos LE was requesting from people, what do you suppose they were looking for specifically? Confirmation of people who were or were not there? Clothing? Vehicles?

Are the involved person(s) closely tied or related to Kamille? Complete strangers? Something in-between?

I personally can't get much of a feel for this case. Usually, when more than one perp is involved, it's some sort of custody dispute: bio mom and her close friend taking off with mom's child or bio dad and his new spouse or girlfriend on the run with bio dad's children etc. It's rarely a non-custodial/stranger type of thing.

Retribution or to teach someone a lesson or something where Kamille isn't really the "target" but rather a means to hurt someone else has been discussed as a motive, but that would require having cared for a toddler the last week. Who would want to be responsible for someone else's toddler for an entire week, no matter the motivation? Toddlers are, imo, the hardest ages to care for: they are independent enough to require an enormous amount of patience yet still not independent enough that they require a great deal of caregiving.

Nothing seems to really fit statistically. Sexual motivation/murder doesn't usually have more than one person involved, the age doesn't seem to align with that either, yet a custodial issue doesn't seem to fit nor does retribution.
I'm just rambling now. Can't make sense of this. Am I the only one really lost here?

 

[jjenny]

And just to add to my above post. Apparently it is non of our business who they have named a suspect. Even if naming the suspect could help identify POI man#1. Moo

We have no way of identifying the man #1. The video is not of the best quality and it's dark. I guess maybe they hope somebody who knows him can still ID him? Or if man#1 is not involved (witness) he could just come forward on his own?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In this video, I do not see anything significant r/t body language other than neither poi appear aggressive. Slow that video down and I imagine we see two men casually strolling past the kids pausing shortly to speak to the kids. What I do notice is that poi 2 never looks back to see if the kids are following him. He either knows them and is confident they will follow, or he goes on his way oblivious to the fact they are following him.

LE teased us with a small section of this video. We do not know how soon the other child returned, or tbh, whether only one child returned to that area or if this was even the last known sighting of CC.

As for the father's body language in his live video, I just do not think it can accurately be assessed. Emotion, fatigue, and life experiences all play into how one reacts to stressful situations. This would be stressful to him regardless of whether he is involved or not. I read very little into his words or body language in his lives.

Birmingham has a large homeless population, many of them transient. This could be something to look at, too.

Oh my gosh. I’ve been thinking the same about transients. I’m so glad you’re here.

 

[PommyMommy]

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[SouthAussie]

What I do notice is that poi 2 never looks back to see if the kids are following him. He either knows them and is confident they will follow, or he goes on his way oblivious to the fact they are following him.

RSBM

I personally feel that this is part of his act ... and now part of his defense. Notice that he didn't get too close when he spoke with them. Anyone could have been looking out of the surrounding windows and seen them. A carer could have suddenly shouted to the girls and said 'get back here, where do you think you are going?'

Now POI #2 can say "Hey, I didn't do anything, I just stopped and asked the little girls what they were doing then went on my way. I didn't know they were following me. I just got in my car and left. I don't know what happened to that little girl."

Only now, there is a little girl who was lucky, who can tell officers/her mama that the man said he had candy for us and he took KM with him.

 

[alyssa5597]

I think there r likely many more reason why child #2 was spared.
I.e. child #2 is related to suspect, or child #2 family had no beef with Those involved.

This seems unlikely to me IMO. LE said there was no connection between PS or the girlfriend to the family. There was never any demand for ransom. Gangs dont typically kidnap children to settle street disputes.

The chief said yesterday all of 20 minutes went into planning it and it was an impromptu decision. He answers many questions with we won’t discuss that or we dont know that - and he didn’t here. There’s a reason for that IMO. I also think there’s no way they coincidentally stumbled on the child they wanted to target for revenge at her family at a birthday party that wasn’t hers at a complex she didn’t live at while she was completely alone and had the perfect opportunity for abduction MOO.

 

[n4k]

Usually, when more than one perp is involved, it's some sort of custody dispute: bio mom and her close friend taking off with mom's child or bio dad and his new spouse or girlfriend on the run with bio dad's children etc. It's rarely a non-custodial/stranger type of thing.

I really believe this is the results of a custody dispute.

 

[Momof4RN]

Can we discuss the need to protect the identity of suspect #2? If they think PS is the suspect why would they not say he has been upgraded from POI to suspect?
Man #1 could be a friend of or in a group of friends with the suspect so I would think naming the suspect could better help locals identify man #1 if they were aware of who the suspect was known to hang with.
I’m just puzzled why a suspect’s identity would be protected. Any thoughts?

 

[Momof4RN]

This seems unlikely to me IMO. LE said there was no connection between PS or the girlfriend to the family. There was never any demand for ransom. Gangs dont typically kidnap children to settle street disputes.

The chief said yesterday all of 20 minutes went into planning it and it was an impromptu decision. He answers many questions with we won’t discuss that or we dont know that - and he didn’t here. There’s a reason for that IMO. I also think there’s no way they coincidentally stumbled on the child they wanted to target for revenge at her family at a birthday party that wasn’t hers at a complex she didn’t live at while she was completely alone and had the perfect opportunity for abduction MOO.

Street crime has become more and more dangerous. I don’t put it past any of these desperate criminals to take a child to make a point. Daron Wint tortured and murdered a child for nothing more than 40K. Moo