Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[LadyL]

Herein lies a bit of a problem with this site.

The mainstream media has suffered a great deal with dwindling resources and advertising revenue. Real investigative reporting, normally the highest paid journalists, have been minimized and their ranks decimated. AL.COM is the electronic version of the Birmingham News and their reporters are entry level positions posting articles that don’t even pass the bare essentials of editorial muster. Editors are almost deemed excess baggage these days. I know it’s a slippery slope but sooner or later WS will need to rethink policy about MSM being the only allowed source. It will be a difficult road but eventually there should be a policy allowing some form of additional sourcing because restricting it to MSM is pretty much ignoring you’re not getting “the rest of the story”. Good luck with it but it’s inevitable, sooner rather than later I’m afraid.

it's not the only allowable source
LE statements and tweets are allowed
reporter tweets are allowed
suspects and victims social media pages are allowed (but not friends or family members of victim)
family 'missing' pages are allowed

 

[margarita25]

Anything going down in the basement?

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...scanner-alerts-8.400672/page-53#post-15507255

 

[LadyL]

I can’t speak for Websleuths, but I am happy to not be clouded with inaccuracies that come from sm.

you can speak for me! agreed!

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes and I thought the video of the children was taken in daylight too, according to all the shadows you see. Sunset was 6.08pm and last light was 6.33pm that day. I know what the timestamps on the video says but am puzzled by the contradiction.

There may be street lights or other outside lights that are creating the shadows in the video. Imo

 

[dotr]

Seems like everyone is just guessing. I was wondering if the leaves have started falling in Alabama yet. Perhaps the girl were picking up fall colored leaves? They seem to be under a huge tree. Leaves, acorns, or even chasing after bugs seems more likely to me than there being random pieces of paper, candy or coins already in that area. They also may be pretending to collect something without actually picking anything up-- they are small children playing outside and might be using their imaginations. Somehow I doubt that what the children are doing while playing just before the suspect walks up and engages them is relevant to the abduction. Whatever he says that makes them follow after him is probably much more relevant. MOO.

Had always pictured the man saying something like "Let's race first one gets an ice cream, last one is a smelly onion"- any version of "who is fastest" usually gets little ones going, imo, speculation.

 

[Drc40]

it's not the only allowable source
LE statements and tweets are allowed
reporter tweets are allowed
suspects and victims social media pages are allowed (but not friends or family members of victim)
family 'missing' pages are allowed

Like I said...slippery slope. However, even LE posts are inaccurate. See the BPD post about the video coming from the Tom Brown housing complex. That’s just flat our wrong and it’s an allowed source. HUH?

EDIT: how is a family member not a victim too?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Crap, got them confused! We are showing our age or our love for old comedy’s!

I grew up with the Three Stooges, Bowery Boys, Little Rascals and Shirley Temple. Oh, if I could have just stayed little. I was so happy there.

 

[Stunned]

I’ve grew up with the Three Stooges, Bowery Boys, Little Rascals and Shirley Temple. Oh, if I could have just stayed little. I was so happy there.

Oh yeah, the best! Fortunately my 32 year old daughter was a Shirley Temple freak!
Those were the days my friend!

 

[athenna]

I can’t speak for Websleuths, but I am happy to not be clouded with inaccuracies that come from sm.

To be fair, standards of accuracy for MSM aren’t quite what they used to be, especially in cases like this where the Chief gave the wrong information about her being found.

Trust, but verify.

 

[LadyL]

Like I said...slippery slope. However, even LE posts are inaccurate. See the BPD post about the video coming from the Tom Brown housing complex. That’s just flat our wrong and it’s an allowed source. HUH?

yes there have been errors in this investigation

we can also say things like 'interesting comments' and direct members to the relevant page and those who want to wade through the cesspool can

 

[PommyMommy]

I don’t see where it says the other child was a cousin in that article?

It's in the video. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

you can speak for me! agreed!

Yes, the problem with all the nonsense on SM is that most of it is just gossip or people speculating and making judgements. It can be a distraction and just complicates things.

LE is on top of it, I would rather them have to deal with all of that instead of bringing it here.

Imo

 

[Chingaling]

Well, without reading it or knowing the context of the conversation we have no way to know.

I'm not sure who AT is or what you mean by "a lot of them."

I'm talking about the allegations on MSM that are relevant to the case.

Sorry but MSM really doesn't know the people involved or how they raise thier kids.

 

[Drc40]

To be fair, standards of accuracy for MSM aren’t quite what they used to be, especially in cases like this where the Chief gave the wrong information about her being found.

Trust, but verify.

It wasn’t the Chief, it was from the sheriffs office. Your point is not wrong though just ask anyone you know in the news biz. I’ve had this conversation numerous times over the last 10 years and it always comes with the same answer, A JOKE. The days of taking your article to the boss (editor) before making it public are mostly long gone.

 

[MsBetsy]

Like I said...slippery slope. However, even LE posts are inaccurate. See the BPD post about the video coming from the Tom Brown housing complex. That’s just flat our wrong and it’s an allowed source. HUH?

EDIT: how is a family member not a victim too?

Family members are victims.
It is the direct victim in the crime whose SM is allowed.
Since Cupcake is too young to have an account, it does not apply. Imo

 

[Drc40]

Yes, the problem with all the nonsense on SM is that most of it is just gossip or people speculating and making judgements. It can be a distraction and just complicates things.

LE is on top of it, I would rather them have to deal with all of that instead of bringing it here.

Imo

Well, if you really want to be a websleuth you have to dig deep. No?

 

[LadyL]

Sorry but MSM really doesn't know the people involved or how they raise thier kids.

and most of the people commenting don't know them either

Like I said...slippery slope. However, even LE posts are inaccurate. See the BPD post about the video coming from the Tom Brown housing complex. That’s just flat our wrong and it’s an allowed source. HUH?

EDIT: how is a family member not a victim too?

[bbm]

they are and that's precisely why we should not sleuth them and post our findings hence their pages are not allowed to be linked

 

[PommyMommy]

To be fair, standards of accuracy for MSM aren’t quite what they used to be, especially in cases like this where the Chief gave the wrong information about her being found.

Trust, but verify.

It wasn't the Birmington Police Chief who gave that information, it was the Jefferson County Sheriff. MOO

 

[Drc40]

Family members are victims.
It is the direct victim in the crime whose SM is allowed.
Since Cupcake is too young to have an account, it does not apply. Imo

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post. If a family member is a victim and victims SM is allowed, how can we not source their SM then? Again, I might be confused because I’m easily confusable.

 

[MsBetsy]

Sorry but MSM really doesn't know the people involved or how they raise thier kids.

I am not assuming that reporters know the people involved.
We don't know the people involved or how they raise their kids either.
LE are the ones who are conducting the investigation, not people who post things on SM.