Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[Drc40]

Screen grabbed your google earth image. If your projection is correct, they were roughly in that orange square I added?

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Does this look reasonable (orange square) where they were provided camera info is correct?

Yes, I believe so.

 

[MsBetsy]

Delete. My post ended up under the wrong post I replied to.

 

[Drc40]

Adding map: Google Maps

Referencing: Surveillance camera location

I believe it’s the house to the left of the one marked. Also posted by another member. Green house. Everything matches

 

[TTF14]

In the beginning remarks for World News Tonight, David Muir just said Cupcake was "taken on her birthday." UGH. Hopefully he will correct himself when actually delivering the report.

It actually was not David Muir, but his substitute, and they did correct it during the story.

 

[MsBetsy]

It's reported in this article but it makes no sense to me that they were called at 8:29 p.m. MOO

BPD Chief: Family searched for Kamille before calling for help
Birmingham Police were first called to the Tom Brown Village Saturday night at 8:29.

Unless they looked for about twenty minutes before calling. It seems she went missing a few minutes after eight. The father was called twice, I think the second time was at 8:50.

Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes. That's what I have believed all along. Then in another video there was a woman who looked very young and she was saying she wanted her grandbaby back...I assumed that was DM's mother.

Yes, that must be the paternal grandmother. She seems to be a natural when it comes to public speaking. She's also the one who said Cupcake was always by her side.
Were there any appearances where the whole family was together or has it always been just one side or the other? Just curious.

 

[MsBetsy]

Screen grabbed your google earth image. If your projection is correct, they were roughly in that orange square I added?

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Does this look reasonable (orange square) where they were provided camera info is correct?

That's where I was thinking it was. That looks like the dead end road. There is another angle posted by Silly Billy that shows a good view of that location. Imo

 

[MissMalowe]

No more volunteers needed for Sunday's grid search
Twitter

So it's not that they have sufficient community volunteers already, it's that they changed their mind and aren't accepting regular civilians/average citizens/community members?

Is that telling?

My impression when they were asking for citizens to volunteer to search 2 days later was that they weren't expecting anything of importance in the search.

Does keeping it to BPD + invite only mean they're looking for a body?

They didn't appeal to anyone to drop Kamille off in a safe location today like all other previous days, did they? If they did, I missed it.

Is that bad?

 

[Catmommy]

Sweet precious child, come home safe, please. It's what we all what. I don't think that's what will happen. Please let me be wrong.

 

[Lillymac]

Yes, that must be the paternal grandmother. She seems to be a natural when it comes to public speaking. She's also the one who said Cupcake was always by her side.
Were there any appearances where the whole family was together or has it always been just one side or the other? Just curious.

I've not seen them all together in any video or pictures. I did notice DM saying in the first interview that he and the mother were not allowed to talk to each other. I assumed LE was keeping them separated for questioning purposes. Don't know if the same is true now.

 

[PommyMommy]

I posted earlier it’s 500 42nd pl north bham
Next to Tom brown day care. You can clearly see the 90’s Chevy pickup and awning. From google street view.

Adding map: Google Maps

Referencing: Surveillance camera location

I believe it’s the house to the left of the one marked. Also posted by another member. Green house. Everything matches

Okay, so 536 42nd place is what I have here. Correct? MOO

Google Maps

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Mothers speak out about Birmingham abduction

"Mothers at Tom Brown Village are on high alert, now five days after Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney vanished.

As the sun set on the community that has been in the dark about the well-being of the innocent 3 year old girl for the better part of a week, Jasmaine Deloach pulled tape posting fliers around the communty.

“Do you have children?” asked Andrew Donley. “Ya I have a child who was a human trafficking victim.” said Deloach. Her daughter was taken when she 16, it wasn’t until 2 months later she got her back.

“You can’t eat, you can’t sleep you can’t do nothing. I couldn’t even bath, I couldn’t do nothing. I just literally went nuts, crazy you know looking for my baby,” said Deloach.

It's something she wants no mother to feel.

“I mean nobody expects it but in the midst of it all, things happen,” said Deloach.

“You don’t know what’s going to happen,” said mother of three Sarah Venable.

McKinney's abduction happened literally in Venables backyard. She brought Her three kids in about 30 minutes before the abduction.

“It’s heartbreaking, I can’t imagine what the parents feel,” said Venable.

And she hopes she never does.

“Hold your kids right, don’t let them out of your sight, especially out here,” said Venable."

I feel bad about giving you a like on such a

Different perspective from google earth showing the probable location of the camera and parties.

Does anyone know the business that is to the left of the daycare? (as per google map posted) air conditioner on roof? BPD released fb video, from road the tree the children followed POI and disappeared . That tree is to right of this building. The road children were on is a cul d sac, I think POI parked in this buildings parking lot. He would only have to pass one or two apartments. If he parked anywhere else he would have to pass several. JMO

 

[oviedo]

I think something bad has happened and The Chief knows it IMO- I’ve watched this closely these past 6 days and it doesn’t feel like they are looking for her to be alive - I hope I’m wrong but after seeing that video today - I’m thinking it’s not going to be the outcome we want - and I believe there is more video not released - JMO

 

[CSIDreamer]

So it's not that they have sufficient community volunteers already, it's that they changed their mind and aren't accepting regular civilians/average citizens/community members?

Is that telling?

My impression when they were asking for citizens to volunteer to search 2 days later was that they weren't expecting anything of importance in the search.

Does keeping it to BPD + invite only mean they're looking for a body?

They didn't appeal to anyone to drop Kamille off in a safe location today like all other previous days, did they? If they did, I missed it.

Is that bad?

I've felt they were looking for a body all along, honestly. I pray not. The way I read it, they figured out they've got enough to do the grid properly.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[TTF14]

I've felt they were looking for a body all along, honestly. I pray not. The way I read it, they figured out they've got enough to do the grid properly.

I didn't feel that way until after the media fiasco the other day, but now I do . Especially after seeing the new video. I just hope they find her. One thing I've learned since joining Websleuths is that it is way easier than I would have thought it would be to hide a body and have it never be found.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Video shows Kamille 'Cupcake' McKinney, 3, moments before abduction


https://mol.im/a/7589467

groan...I wish this came out sooner-the focus would have remained on finding her & not her mother

 

[WildOrchid]

So it's not that they have sufficient community volunteers already, it's that they changed their mind and aren't accepting regular civilians/average citizens/community members?

Is that telling?



They didn't appeal to anyone to drop Kamille off in a safe location today like all other previous days, did they? If they did, I missed it.

Is that bad?

Didn’t the dogs go out today?

 

[MassGuy]

So it's not that they have sufficient community volunteers already, it's that they changed their mind and aren't accepting regular civilians/average citizens/community members?

Is that telling?

My impression when they were asking for citizens to volunteer to search 2 days later was that they weren't expecting anything of importance in the search.

Does keeping it to BPD + invite only mean they're looking for a body?

They didn't appeal to anyone to drop Kamille off in a safe location today like all other previous days, did they? If they did, I missed it.

Is that bad?

I think asking someone to drop her off in a safe location was a shot in the dark, albeit an absolutely necessary one.

From that Tweet, it looks as if they’ve honed in on a specific area, and therefore don’t need civilian volunteers.

I think initially, that search are was going to be much larger.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I didn't feel that way until after the media fiasco the other day, but now I do . Especially after seeing the new video. I just hope they find her. One thing I've learned since joining Websleuths is that it is way easier than I would have thought it would be to hide a body and have it never be found.

My heart just breaks for all involved.