Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[aleein23]

Maybe they are afraid if they arrest suspect #2, it will trigger whoever currently has Cupcake into taking drastic action? MOO

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

I think this is what she is referring to.

Birmingham Police on Twitter

That video is speeded up so much all I see is people running. You would think a daycare would need a better quality video.

 

[SouthAussie]

That video is speeded up so much all I see is people running. You would think a daycare would need a better quality video.

The video is likely from the house next door to the day care centre. You can see the camera on the house, pointing towards where the resident parks their car.

 

[WildOrchid]

If this was as a result of a “beef” someone has with someone else, wouldn’t it be addressed already? Wouldn’t the person know who knows who, get some names, and go sort it? I’m leaning away from that.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Is that big building the Daycare?

No,, day Care is in the green house next door. It as a aluminum carport with a truck. You can see in video.

 

[SouthAussie]

No,, day Care is in the green house next door. It as a aluminum carport with a truck. You can see in video.

I am not sure what you are looking at, but google shows the day care center next door to the green house.

 

[This guy you know]

No,, day Care is in the green house next door. It as a aluminum carport with a truck. You can see in video.

The daycare is to the left of the green house
Not in the green house

 

[WildOrchid]

I’m definitely going to have to moo after this. But what if person/adult #2 in the video isn’t really the suspect? What if #2 is someone the kids know and he was on his way home from wherever is past those trees, he saw the kids alone and told them to follow him to safety/home? Are we sure he’s an adult? The kids follow him partway back to the party scene and he goes inside, thinking they are fine. Maybe #1 is who took Cupcake when the little girl was back at the party scene as originally described and #2 is being called suspect to make #1 feel safe.
I know we are missing a lot of pieces but something is right in front of my face that I’m missing. Anyone else feel that way?
Moo

 

[Momof4RN]

I’m definitely going to have to moo after this. But what if person/adult #2 in the video isn’t really the suspect? What if #2 is someone the kids know and he was on his way home from wherever is past those trees, he saw the kids alone and told them to follow him to safety/home? Are we sure he’s an adult? The kids follow him partway back to the party scene and he goes inside, thinking they are fine. Maybe #1 is who took Cupcake when the little girl was back at the party scene as originally described and #2 is being called suspect to make #1 feel safe.
I know we are missing a lot of pieces but something is right in front of my face that I’m missing. Anyone else feel that way?
Moo

Your theory makes sense. And would explain why they haven’t named him publicly as a suspect if he is in fact not one. Would also explain where child #2 ended up (as in she’s went in doors with him)I do believe suspect is late teen or young adult. Moo

 

[MissMalowe]

Patrick Stallworth's own attorney refers to him as a SUSPECT (vs a poi) in the press conference he held just before LE's press conference where they released the surveillance video.
1:45 mark of video below

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It may be that his attorney simply misspoke because just before that, he incorrectly referred to his client being charged and had to quickly correct himself to say NOT charged.

Not sure if referring to his client as a suspect is telling or not, but felt it was worth pointing out.

He's just taken aback that he's being charged, well not charged but he's considered as a suspect in the missing of this lovely child.

 

[JerzeyGirl]

If man #2 is Stallworth LE will not say that because he’ll be dead in 5 minutes flat.

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Quick poll.

KM is:

A) Being held alive somewhere

B) Deceased.

•Of course we all hope she is alive and unharmed. And we all pray for her safe return.

This question is not to imply any pessimism, but rather to provide an assessment and encourage further analysis from a criminology standpoint based on what we know so far and how much time has elapsed.

B- I hope I am wrong! I am still not convinced she was kidnapped.

 

[Asme27]

Patrick Stallworth's own attorney refers to him as a SUSPECT (vs a poi) in the press conference he held just before LE's press conference where they released the surveillance video.
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It may be that his attorney simply misspoke because just before that, he also incorrectly referred to his client being charged and had to quickly correct himself to say not charged, but suspected of, in that same statement/answer to the reporter's question.

Not sure if referring to his client as a suspect is telling or not, but felt it was worth mentioning/pointing out.

Yea I agree. IMO at one point his mouth area gets tight and he looks down like he knows he’s messing it up and saying certain words he shouldn’t be saying.

 

[Gardener1850]

Paraphrasing / sorry don’t have exact quote handy:

The Chief said something along the lines of “we want to close the loop”.

What is a loop?

A loop is a circle. Or a ring. Or an oval.

•I understand he stated he wants to question that individual as he might have some information.

Some late night musings:

1 person is a dot.

2 people are a line, or “segment” (a word the Chief also used. Iirc the words were something along the lines of “we are appealing to a segment”).

3 people is a triangle, longer line, or perhaps loop.

Which brings the question-

IF POI #2 is the perp:

A) POI #1 is associated with him.

B) POI #1 is not associated with him.

—-

Additionally, the Chief has confirmed that this is KM seen in the video, which makes these persons possibly and likely the last persons with whom she was last seen.

So, for me it lies with that.

So the questions for me at this time are (again):

Is PS POI #2? Or is this a completely different person?

I've been pondering the meaning of the phrase "close the loop" too. Whatever you do, do not look it up on Urban Dictionary. The definitions on there are sexual (and gross) and I don't think they have anything to do with the Chief's statement. I found this meaning from the business world that I think fits best with the context of the Chief's statement:

"In business jargon, “closing the loop” means to follow up on and/or close out an area of discussion. The phrase is closely related to “circle back around” and “loop in.” To better achieve your objectives, experts say it’s vital that you learn to close the loop on actions so that the important actions can get done."

[...]

“In business ‘closing the loop’ is akin to following up, checking in or closing the deal,”

How to Create a Closing the Loop Culture – Lighthouse Consulting Services

I think the chief is saying they have tried to locate this POI themselves to talk to him and now they are appealing to the community to help find him, help close the deal. LE wants to follow up on him and what he knows. Possibly they need his testimony to "close the deal" on charges against the suspect. This man may be a key witness on what the suspect said to the kids. Especially if the other child is too young to testify. He may end up being a suspect too but I don't think the Chief wanted to say that. I hope this 1st man is not involved because if he is then he's unlikely to come forward. If he's not involved in the crime then maybe he will step up and be the key to prosecuting the suspect. Either way I'm praying that the community can somehow identify this man and "close the loop" on the suspect or suspects going to prison for a very long time.

MOO.

 

[PommyMommy]

OCT 19, 2019
Police release surveillance video of night Kamille McKinney was abducted
[...]

"There are two males that appear in the video where the two children are playing," Birmingham Police Chief Patrick Smith said at a news conference on Friday. "The first male will walk completely by. He looks at them. And it's the second male that comes up and engages the children."

That second man is a suspect, said Smith, adding that investigators believe they know who that man is. Police are looking to identify and speak with the first male in the video.

"The first man who walked by in the video, he may have pertinent information that will help us," Smith said. "This is the male we're looking for ... we want to talk to him ... if he saw something that night that may be critical to the investigation."

[...]

OCT 18, 2019
Searching for Kamille McKinney: Police release video of suspect, person of interest & possibly missing toddler
[...]

Birmingham police released a video Friday morning that includes a suspect and a person of interest in the kidnapping of Kamille McKinney.

Police Chief Patrick Smith says the suspect has been identified as the second adult in the video, but police are asking for the public’s assistance with identifying the person of interest (the first adult in the video).

[...]

 

[Momof4RN]

The retribution angle would make more sense if the child was abducted from near her own residence. The babymomma doesn’t live in this community.

If the father is wrapped up in the game and screwed over some higher level Mexican cartel guys They would use underlings to put the tail on momma. It’s hard to imagine they could pick out the correct child.
Moo

No but the cousin does and perhaps more family members or other’s in close relation to a family member. Ie a boyfriend....moo

 

[JerzeyGirl]

The retribution angle would make more sense if the child was abducted from near her own residence. The babymomma doesn’t live in this community.

If the father is wrapped up in the game and screwed over some higher level Mexican cartel guys They would use underlings to put the tail on momma. It’s hard to imagine they could pick out the correct child.
Moo

I’m not big on the gang angle because it’s really rare. Back in my day kids weren’t part of retaliation. They were off limits.

In Tyshawn’s case his father killed someone in this persons family. Tyshawn wasn’t taken from home either. His killer met him at the basketball courts and played basketball with him for a minute and then lured him.

 

[WildOrchid]

If man #2 is Stallworth LE will not say that because he’ll be dead in 5 minutes flat.

I’m not disagreeing. Makes me wonder though, if PS knows he’s #2, wouldn’t he have been safer remaining in custody? I don’t get it. Sick of all these babies going poof! Are criminals getting slicker? Why can’t we find them? Ugh!!

 

[Considering]

Can we discuss the need to protect the identity of suspect #2? If they think PS is the suspect why would they not say he has been upgraded from POI to suspect?
Man #1 could be a friend of or in a group of friends with the suspect so I would think naming the suspect could better help locals identify man #1 if they were aware of who the suspect was known to hang with.
I’m just puzzled why a suspect’s identity would be protected. Any thoughts?

Perhaps, they need Man #1 to confirm the identity of Man #2.

 

[Momof4RN]

I am interested to know where the search area is. Where do they have evidence to believe “a few POI’s” frequented?