Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[ZsaZsa]

I'm thinking that the second guy on the video is the person who was arrested and bailed...

 

[doyoulovemepfg]

That may be why they are just calling him a POI and they just want to talk to him.
The other guy in the video knows he is a suspect because they have already located him.
Either way, if the POI is involved he must know it won't be long until they find him. That he has not come forward yet is a little suspicious.
It's hard to believe he hasn't heard about the case after 6 days.

Imo

He could have fled really far and/or have significant help evading capture. Or the guy knows but is so generic looking that people won’t call him in - which has been a thing in a few cases I’ve seen here.

 

[Drc40]

I'm thinking that the second guy on the video is the person who was arrested and bailed...

MOO...I don’t think so. I think they (POI’s arrested) are not involved at all. They might have some connection to Tom Brown but it’s limited to knowing a person who lives there now or knowing someone who lived there in the past. It’s very possible the females being held has lived there in the past too. The first 2 suspects arrested are red herrings IMHO.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Have you seen this child? Kamille McKinney

 

[oviedo]

I do think I've seen that but I'm not sure where. However, not all sources have reported that the 11-year-old was the only witness. Here is one example.

3-year-old girl kidnapped from Birmingham birthday party; Amber Alert cites ‘extreme danger’
According to other children, a man and a woman in a dark SUV picked up Kamille. An 11-year-old boy said he saw a man get out of the SUV, pick up Kamille and put her in the vehicle. Police do not believe this is a custodial issue. Both of Kamille’s parents as well as her extended family are on the scene.

BBM
If this account is true - and if the Chief is right that she was taken just minutes after the end of the video - there has to be another man involved - because we saw man #2 leading the two children away and then this video ends - I’m still thinking she was chosen and the vehicle is just out of sight of this particular camera-if we believe this account is what happened - IMO

 

[Momof4RN]

He could have fled really far and/or have significant help evading capture. Or the guy knows but is so generic looking that people won’t call him in - which has been a thing in a few cases I’ve seen here.

Or he is the deceased body discovered the other day. Moo

 

[Jenz]

BBM
If this account is true - and if the Chief is right that she was taken just minutes after the end of the video - there has to be another man involved - because we saw man #2 leading the two children away and then this video ends - I’m still thinking she was chosen and the vehicle is just out of sight of this particular camera-if we believe this account is what happened - IMO

Been watching this thread, yet not commented.
I'm hoping there is cctv footage from other areas of this location and if she was taken soon after this, then it is captured.
Praying this little one is still alive.

 

[Jenz]

Or he is the deceased body discovered the other day. Moo

?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Would you happen to know if the apartments they have searched are 'nicer' apartments? (If you are a local, or would know such a thing.)

Woodside Condominiums
Parkway Villa Apartment Complex
Marland Apartments

I am still wondering where that $50,000 cash bond came from, and if police are following the money - if KM could be with a more 'well off' perpetrator now.

The source of the $50,000 payment, I suppose, could have been somehow concealed. But I think - and hope - that police are generally pretty good at tracking down an original source.

HUD Inspect

HUD Inspect

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

BBM
If this account is true - and if the Chief is right that she was taken just minutes after the end of the video - there has to be another man involved - because we saw man #2 leading the two children away and then this video ends - I’m still thinking she was chosen and the vehicle is just out of sight of this particular camera-if we believe this account is what happened - IMO

The 11 year old witness said there was a white woman and a black man in a dark (blue?) truck with a tan bumper.
The man put Cupcake into the truck. So there would have been another person according to what he said.

 

[oviedo]

The 11 year old witness said there was a white woman and a black man in a dark (blue?) truck with a tan bumper.
The man put Cupcake into the truck. So there would have been another person according to what he said.

Yes unless man #2 got in the vehicle (leaving her unattended?) then got back out to pick her up and place her in the vehicle according to the witness - makes no sense to me - and no sketch of the person putting her in the vehicle? If this witness account is true did the 11 year old ID the POI? If so then why not arrest him for kidnapping? Something is off IMO

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

Yes unless man #2 got in the vehicle (leaving her unattended?) then got back out to pick her up and place her in the vehicle according to the witness - makes no sense to me - and no sketch of the person putting her in the vehicle? If this witness account is true did the 11 year old ID the POI? If so then why not arrest him for kidnapping? Something is off IMO

The witness might have only seen the man picking her up and putting her into the truck.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The chief on Friday also asked volunteers to come forward to help with a grid search on Sunday. The search will be in one area investigators found was frequented by a person of interest, Smith said.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/surveillance-video-released-amid-search-abducted-year-male/story?id=6636671


Smith has repeatedly said he believes others are involved in Kamille’s disappearance, which remained evident in the message he delivered at a press conference held Wednesday.

"Through our investigation and through statements, we’ve pretty much been able to identify the children and the second gentleman,'' Smith said. “What we’re trying to do is close the loop on the third individual in the video who was the first one who walks by as the children are playing.”

According to other children in the area at the time, a man was handing out candy to children in the area.

"We want to see if he has additional information or if he saw something that night that may be critical in this investigation,'' the chief said.

“We haven’t closed the door on Birmingham or anywhere else yet,’’ he said.
Kamille McKinney abduction: Police release surveillance video from night of disappearance


Police have been searching for Kamille since Saturday night, when witnesses told them that she left a party at Birmingham's Tom Brown Village housing community with a woman in a dark-colored SUV.

Kamille 'Cupcake' McKinney's disappearance: Reward for information on missing Alabama girl increases as police search continues - CNN


Kamille was abducted about 8:30 p.m. Saturday at Tom Brown Village public housing community off Messer-Airport Highway in Avondale. She was outside with friends when she disappeared. Other children said a man – who had been offering children in the neighborhood candy - got out of an SUV and snatched Kamille.

Several groups of citizens have conducted ground searches in the Center Point area, Smith said anyone wanting to help in the search for Kamille should first stop by the department’s on site command post on Messer Airport Highway so “we have a coordinated effort and we’re all working together to resolve this.”

Multiple theories, and even accusations, have surfaced in the public surrounding the case, especially on Facebook. Asked about that, Smith said, “Social media is always going to do exactly what it does. It is our job to stay focused on the investigation. While we monitor social media, we try not to allow that to take us astray. We don’t focus on rhetoric, we focus on facts."
Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney: 2 rewards offered in Birmingham abduction

 

[n4k]

Back to the video released by LE. I've watched it a million times, in real time and slowed down. Does it look like the kids may be playing with a small ball? Maybe the lure away was a bigger ball?

 

[dotr]

?

Unless there was another body found, thinking this is the one they are referring to..
Man found slain on east Birmingham roadway; homicide investigation underway
"An investigation is underway after a man’s body was found in east Birmingham Thursday afternoon.

The discovery was made about 2:30 p.m. at 93rd Street North and Seventh Court North in Zion City. A passerby found the man lying in the roadway unresponsive, said Birmingham police spokesman Sgt. Johnny Williams. He was pronounced dead on the scene.

Authorities have not said how the man died, but said they are investigating his death as a homicide."

 

[Jenz]

Back to the video released by LE. I've watched it a million times, in real time and slowed down. Does it look like the kids may be playing with a small ball? Maybe the lure away was a bigger ball?

I can't say for sure, because I am only looking at a small screen. What I see though, is the children appearing to pick things up individually....
What I am wondering...is why did they hesitate together a little while before 2nd person appears in the video? Looking toward where 2nd person come from...

 

[Linda7NJ]

Anyone know if they’ve finished processing that vehicle & released it?
They still holding it?

 

[dotr]

Community won’t stop until Kamille ‘Cupcake’ McKinney is home, pastor says

Family of Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney wore "Team Cupcake" shirts to Saturday's vigil (Ivana Hrynkiw | [email protected]
"Police say Kamille was abducted between 8 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. seven days ago while attending a birthday party in the Tom Brown Village public housing community. According to other children in the area at the time, a man was handing out candy to children in the area. At some point, they said, he snatched a barefoot Kamille and put her into a Toyota SUV and drove off.

April Thomas, Kamille’s mother, was present at the vigil but declined to speak to the congregation. Her older brother, Steven Long, spoke instead.

“On behalf of our family we appreciate everybody helping in the search for my niece. It’s very hard right now,” he said.

Long also talked about social media and the “slandering” his sister from different people online. “No one knows how hard this is for her or our family," he said. “I wish everyone could keep their personal opinions to themselves at this time. That won’t help find my niece.”

“I appreciate everybody that’s searching, walking. I’ve been up several nights, different spots, whatever tips I hear, I don’t care what time it is, I’m up. And then I’m going to go to work, be right by my sister’s side. So to everybody whose making these false allegations, just keep your mouth closed in prayer," Long said."

 

[jjenny]

Back to the video released by LE. I've watched it a million times, in real time and slowed down. Does it look like the kids may be playing with a small ball? Maybe the lure away was a bigger ball?

I think they are picking up something from the ground (leaves?) and putting it in a bag.

 

[oceanstarryeyes]

I can't say for sure, because I am only looking at a small screen. What I see though, is the children appearing to pick things up individually....
What I am wondering...is why did they hesitate together a little while before 2nd person appears in the video? Looking toward where 2nd person come from...

Could a section of the video been erased or removed?