Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[SuziQ]

Because we dissect everything. But I suspect you've been around long enough to realize that?

Well have at it. Just thought I was missing something.

 

[SuziQ]

It was reported that a man was enticing children with candy. So I think people are just trying to figure out if they were just randomly picking things up while playing or one of the men threw something on the ground to attract their interest.
It may or may not be significant.

not seeing the significance, but carry on.

 

[PommyMommy]

CBS 42 on Twitter
The Latest in the search for Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney: The Birmingham Police Dept. is conducting a grid search for the missing 3-year-old. Police did not specify where, but will let CBS 42 know more details upon the conclusion of the search.
5:30 PM - 20 Oct 2019

 

[Simply Southern]

Aside from there's a search somewhere, we know nussing.

Thanks, so much !!

Was hoping for good news.

 

[coffeebeans03]

Seems like everyone is just guessing. I was wondering if the leaves have started falling in Alabama yet. Perhaps the girl were picking up fall colored leaves? They seem to be under a huge tree. Leaves, acorns, or even chasing after bugs seems more likely to me than there being random pieces of paper, candy or coins already in that area. They also may be pretending to collect something without actually picking anything up-- they are small children playing outside and might be using their imaginations. Somehow I doubt that what the children are doing while playing just before the suspect walks up and engages them is relevant to the abduction. Whatever he says that makes them follow after him is probably much more relevant. MOO.

Yes, leaves are on the ground here and Birmingham. I just spent 30 minutes blowing off my back porch and remember blowing off the driveway last weekend.

 

[JDough]

I am not seeing the importance of what the little girls were picking up.

I guess for me (can't speak for anyone else ), I am just trying to understand what attracted the children to an area where (it appears from video released), there are no others around. What drew them there? What kept them there? I feel this is all important information to understand.

If the information released at the last PC is correct, and the pre-planning for the abduction was only about 20 minutes, did the POI/Suspect(s) "plant" something to draw their attention (and keep them there) to the area during this timeframe? How does LE know that the pre-planning was about 20 minutes?

There is a reason the children were drawn to and stayed in this secluded- looking area, without any (seen on video) adults nearby, IMO. It may or may not have any significance to us, but LE believes it does. And that's why this portion of the video was released. MOO

Once again; just brainstorming on how the abduction may have taken place, what caused those little ones to become so vulnerable, and why they followed the suspect so quickly.

#BringCupcakeHome

 

[CTGrammy]

I am new to this thread and someone may have already posted the attached arial picture of the area shown in LE's video recently. I have however, made notations on the picture to help me with the location aspect of this case. This also answers questions that many of us have had.

Watching the LE Video, I originally thought that KM and her friend were playing on the sidewalk next to a busy street and was very concerned that 2 toddlers were allowed to do so, especially by themselves. As the attached arial picture shows, they were indeed Behind two residence buildings in the complex.

The arial picture also shows the Daycare fence, that I have noted in yellow, that prevents the toddlers from playing on the Playset, located within the Daycare fencing.

Also noted are the three available parking lots, where the Abductor(s) could have parked. IMO, the one on the immediate left of the Daycare would be the one of choice.

Why was the other child not also taken? Did the other child's parent check out the back door and called for the child when not immediately seen, and the child came running back? This parent may have just thought that KM went back inside or her parent picked her up. Did KM's family member babysit KM on a regular basis? Did KM play with the other toddler on a regular basis?

IMO, this was a crime of opportunity.

Lots of questions, and awaiting for KM's return.

IMO.

 

[margarita25]

Editing typos

Herein lies a bit of a problem with this site.

The mainstream media has suffered a great deal with dwindling resources and advertising revenue. Real investigative reporting, normally the highest paid journalists, have been minimized and their ranks decimated. AL.COM is the electronic version of the Birmingham News and their reporters are entry level positions posting articles that don’t even pass the bare essentials of editorial muster. Editors are almost deemed excess baggage these days. I know it’s a slippery slope but sooner or later WS will need to rethink policy about MSM being the only allowed source. It will be a difficult road but eventually there should be a policy allowing some form of additional sourcing because restricting it to MSM is pretty much ignoring you’re not getting “the rest of the story”. Good luck with it but it’s inevitable, sooner rather than later I’m afraid.

I hear what you’re saying and I’ve thought about this as well, will adaptations need to be made at some point.

Here is my answer, a BIG FAT NO. The minute that happens I’m outta here. The whole reason some of us are here is because we DON’T want anything to do with that bologna which could potentially cloud our investigations. There are very important reasons why these restrictions are in place; I could go into them but it would turn out to be a book.

Again, this is an interesting point you bring up and again, I have thought about this myself.

Here’s the deal, imo-it is not like we are not receiving information or able to discuss information from SM:

1. WS already allows Social Media links for Law Enforcement. In CC’s case specifically, the Chief himself said that anything that needs to released will be released via their SM platform.

2. WS SM currently allows for the victim’s SM to be linked.

3. WS SM currently allows for the official POI’s linked.

*Imo if any other SM pages were linked other than the victim and perp, it would be ZOO in here, moo. A lot of DAMAGE can be done to people and the cases as well. (Could go into that, too much to type)

4. Re: your valid points about journalism, etc., WS SM allows all news stations’ FB and Twitter, etc., so we can link to them and get whatever info we need. We are available to get SM updates via the reporters’ direct SM pages and as well as the news networks.

5. You may have seen how I was the “Link Police” yesterday. This is because I want nooooooooo SM rumors here, not even one. Things are hard enough to keep clear without bringing in misinformation. I/we need to approach everything based on FACT.

•Anyone at any time can go on SM, do their own research, and keep that stuff over there. These elements can always be discussed via private conversations to one’s heart’s content.

•As a long term member here I’ve seen so much BS on SM, I want NO part of it. Like I said, if you wanna get rid me of fast here, just allow a FB free for all.

•This does not mean that things on SM are NOT of value, because sometimes they are. I’ve seen cases where the rumors turned out to be totally true. I’ve also seen stuff where it was such garbage, rubbish I’ll tell ya.

•As far as getting the “rest of the story”, if it’s really big news we are going to hear about from somewhere, at some point. I’m not worried about “missing out on anything” because we are not linking to certain SM.
We can always peek over there for clues and leads anytime.

Anyway just wanted to respond your post and throw down a MEGA-VETO on that. You just have to trust me bro, (or sis lol), it does NOTHING to help these investigations in any way except confuse and throw the threads to the dogs. I feel that the SM policy here is flexible enough to include LE, victims, perps AND News sources and that seems to be enough for what we need here to progress constructively.

(End rant, back to catch up.)

 

[SouthAussie]

They also may be pretending to collect something without actually picking anything up-- they are small children playing outside and might be using their imaginations. Somehow I doubt that what the children are doing while playing just before the suspect walks up and engages them is relevant to the abduction. Whatever he says that makes them follow after him is probably much more relevant. MOO.

BBM

Yes, this is my thought. It is almost, to me, as if they have seen children rushing to pick up candy from a pinata and now they are playing a game pretending they are picking up candy ... could even be saying "I found one" "I found another one" as they play.

I think of children their age drinking nothing out of a child's tea set cup and saying how delicious the tea is, and pouring more pretend tea.

 

[MsBetsy]

not seeing the significance, but carry on.

I understand. You asked a question so I answered. Some may find it important to know how the suspect was able to lure the children so easily. It's part of the investigation. I'm sure LE would like to know, too.

If they were collecting things and they did have a bag with them, Cupcake may have been holding something when she was put in the car. If LE finds it, it would be important evidence.
You never know what is going to be important in an investigation, so what is not significant to you may be significant to someone else.

Imo

 

[rainynights]

I guess for me (can't speak for anyone else ), I am just trying to understand what attracted the children to an area where (it appears from video released), there are no others around. What drew them there? What kept them there? I feel this is all important information to understand.

If the information released at the last PC is correct, and the pre-planning for the abduction was only about 20 minutes, did the POI/Suspect(s) "plant" something to draw their attention (and keep them there) to the area during this timeframe? How does LE know that the pre-planning was about 20 minutes?

There is a reason the children were drawn to and stayed in this secluded- looking area, without any (seen on video) adults nearby, IMO. It may or may not have any significance to us, but LE believes it does. And that's why this portion of the video was released. MOO

Once again; just brainstorming on how the abduction may have taken place, what caused those little ones to become so vulnerable, and why they followed the suspect so quickly.

#BringCupcakeHome

What would be really creepy is if there was video (prior to what we saw) that were to show the two individuals walking together - from left to right - past the toddlers (opposite direction of what we see) and out of frame, for say, 20 minutes or so. Only to circle back around and pass the toddlers separately. We don't know what happened before the video we saw, but kind of chilling to think about. MOO

 

[oviedo]

I am new to this thread and someone may have already posted the attached arial picture of the area shown in LE's video recently. I have however, made notations on the picture to help me with the location aspect of this case. This also answers questions that many of us have had.

Watching the LE Video, I originally thought that KM and her friend were playing on the sidewalk next to a busy street and was very concerned that 2 toddlers were allowed to do so, especially by themselves. As the attached arial picture shows, they were indeed Behind two residence buildings in the complex.

The arial picture also shows the Daycare fence, that I have noted in yellow, that prevents the toddlers from playing on the Playset, located within the Daycare fencing.

Also noted are the three available parking lots, where the Abductor(s) could have parked. IMO, the one on the immediate left of the Daycare would be the one of choice.

Why was the other child not also taken? Did the other child's parent check out the back door and called for the child when not immediately seen, and the child came running back? This parent may have just thought that KM went back inside or her parent picked her up. Did KM's family member babysit KM on a regular basis? Did KM play with the other toddler on a regular basis?

IMO, this was a crime of opportunity.

Lots of questions, and awaiting for KM's return.

IMO.

Thanks for joining in @CTGrammy - this little one needs to be found - one way or another

 

[margarita25]

Yes, leaves are on the ground here and Birmingham. I just spent 30 minutes blowing off my back porch and remember blowing off the driveway last weekend.

Welcome coffeebeans03.

 

[n4k]

I am pretty sure this here that I have zoomed in on is the area the children were playing. The camera from the house would have been the back left. I even noticed the door there that is swung open. Could this be the infamous "cousin's" door and the kids were playing just outside the door?

Google Maps

Another good view straight down on it, but up close. Google Maps

 

[oviedo]

What would be really creepy is if there was video (prior to what we saw) that were to show the two individuals walking together - from left to right - past the toddlers (opposite direction of what we see) and out of frame, for say, 20 minutes or so. Only to circle back around and pass the toddlers separately. We don't know what happened before the video we saw, but kind of chilling to think about. MOO

Yes this is what I think - the video before and after is important IMO - but we don’t need to know about it yet

 

[SouthAussie]

I understand. You asked a question so I answered. Some may find it important to know how the suspect was able to lure the children so easily. It's part of the investigation. I'm sure LE would like to know, too.

If they were collecting things and they did have a bag with them, Cupcake may have been holding something when she was put in the car. If LE finds it, it would be important evidence.
You never know what is going to be important in an investigation, so what is not significant to you may be significant to someone else.

Imo

I think the importance may be that if the children were playing at picking up pretend candy, the suspect may have said to them something like "What are you doing?" "Picking up candy" "I have some real candy over there, follow me".

Whatever they were playing may have given him the opening line for having them happily follow him.

The children even seemed to rush to 'get there first' ... not a moment's hesitation in following him. One of the children (KM?) was even ahead of him for a brief moment.

 

[n4k]

I guess for me (can't speak for anyone else ), I am just trying to understand what attracted the children to an area where (it appears from video released), there are no others around. What drew them there? What kept them there? I feel this is all important information to understand.

If the information released at the last PC is correct, and the pre-planning for the abduction was only about 20 minutes, did the POI/Suspect(s) "plant" something to draw their attention (and keep them there) to the area during this timeframe? How does LE know that the pre-planning was about 20 minutes?

There is a reason the children were drawn to and stayed in this secluded- looking area, without any (seen on video) adults nearby, IMO. It may or may not have any significance to us, but LE believes it does. And that's why this portion of the video was released. MOO

Once again; just brainstorming on how the abduction may have taken place, what caused those little ones to become so vulnerable, and why they followed the suspect so quickly.

#BringCupcakeHome

The more I have looked at the spot where they were, I suspect it was just outside their door.

 

[MizStery]

I am new to this thread and someone may have already posted the attached arial picture of the area shown in LE's video recently. I have however, made notations on the picture to help me with the location aspect of this case. This also answers questions that many of us have had.
<snip>
The arial picture also shows the Daycare fence, that I have noted in yellow, that prevents the toddlers from playing on the Playset, located within the Daycare fencing.

Also noted are the three available parking lots, where the Abductor(s) could have parked. IMO, the one on the immediate left of the Daycare would be the one of choice.

her parent picked her up. Did KM's family member babysit KM on a regular basis? Did KM play with the other toddler on a regular basis?
<snip>
IMO, this was a crime of opportunity.

Lots of questions, and awaiting for KM's return.

IMO.

Thanks CTGrammy for your arial thumbnail of the Tom Brown Village.

 

[Elle*Bee]

With all due respect to the policy makers here I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with this. If my wife or daughter are abducted I would want my comments broadcast over the biggest loudspeaker in the world. Maybe it’s just me but I would welcome anyone quoting what I had to say while enduring the absolute heartache of dealing with a missing loved one.

In which case, you start a “Find [insert name here]” on social media, which would be allowed to be discussed here because it was set up by a family member or their official spokesperson.

We would not, however, be able to discuss the post on your personal FB page that you made in 2009 discussing the disagreement you had (hypothetically of course) with the now missing, etc.

 

[MsBetsy]

I am pretty sure this here that I have zoomed in on is the area the children were playing. The camera from the house would have been the back left. I even noticed the door there that is swung open. Could this be the infamous "cousin's" door and the kids were playing just outside the door?

Google Maps

Another good view straight down on it, but up close.

We don't know where the camera was located, or whose house it is, but it looks to me that the kids were playing to the right of the playground, near that big tree that the men walked by, and in front of the house. They were wandering around so it's hard to tell. But in the beginning they came from the opposite direction. (near the Daycare, and where the party was said to have been going on.

Imo