Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #4

[Gigi3]

With all due respect to the policy makers here I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with this. If my wife or daughter are abducted I would want my comments broadcast over the biggest loudspeaker in the world. Maybe it’s just me but I would welcome anyone quoting what I had to say while enduring the absolute heartache of dealing with a missing loved one.

I totally understand where you are coming from!
Another great aspect I love about WS is the Verified Insider. If something were to happen to your family as mentioned above, then you could definitely become a verified insider and then you can post without having links to back up what you are saying. With that, sleuthers could still help you get the word out without all the drama SM brings. MOO

 

[Drc40]

I hear what you’re saying and I’ve thought about this as well, will adaptations need to be made at some point.

Here is my answer, a BIG FAT NO. The minute that happens I’m outta here. The whole reason some of us are here is because we DON’T want anything to do with that bologna. There are very important reasons why these restrictions are in place; I could go into them but it would turn out to be a book.

Again, this is an interesting point you bring up and again, I have thought about this myself.

Here’s the deal imo-its not like we are not receiving information from SM:

1. WS already allows Social Media links for Law Enforcement. In CC’s case specifically, the Chief himself said that anything that needs to released will be released via their SM platform.

2. WS SM currently allows for the victim’s SM to be linked.

3. WS SM currently allows for the official POI’s linked.

*Imo if any other SM pages were linked other than the victim and perp, it would be ZOO in here, moo.

4. Re: your valid points about journalistm, etc , WS SM allows All news stations that have FB pages and Twitter, etc,, you can link to them. So we are available to get MSM through The reporters’ personal and news network’s/station’s SM.

5. You may have seen how I was the “Link Police” yesterday. This is because I want nooooooooo SM rumors here, not even one. Things are hard enough to keep clear without bringing in rumors and speculation, even if they’re true lol. I/we need to approach everything based on FACT.

•Anyone at any time can go on SM, do their own research, and keep that stuff over there. These elements can always be discussed via private conversations to one’s heart’s content.

•As a long term member here I’ve seen so much BS on SM, I want NO part of it. Like I said, if you wanna get rid me of fast here, just allow a FB free for all.

•This does not mean that things on SM are NOT of value, because sometimes they are. I’ve seen cases where the rumors turned it to he totally true. I’ve also seen stuff where it was such garbage, rubbish I’ll tell ya. One can also look over there “clues”.

•As far as getting the “rest of the story”, if it’s really big news we are going to hear about from somewhere, at some point. I’m not worried about “missing out on anything because I’m not on SM.

Anyway just wanted to respond that post and throw down a MEGA-VETO on that. You just have to trust me bro, (or sis lol), it does NOTHING to help these investigations in any way except confuse and throw the threads to the dogs. I feel that the SM policy here is flexible enough to include LE, victims, perps AND News sources and that’s enough for me.

(End rant, back to catch up)

I think you have very valid points, no doubt. I never said it would be easy because it is a VERY slippery slope. How that is navigated is not up to me, I’m just posting observations from being a new member. I also do not want to be subjected to a long line of BS but I disagree with the families NOT being considered victims. They are victims of the highest order and I would want my personal comments broadcast on the worlds biggest microphone if my daughter, wife or loved one went missing.

I’ve gathered that a great number of people visiting this site are middle aged or above as am I. Unfortunately we all have to accept that news, in particular its source, has changed dramatically. Many people under 30 don’t even watch main stream TV.

It won’t be easy, and maybe it’s impossible, but determining authoritative sources is the exclusive right of MSM is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand.

 

[n4k]

Herein lies a bit of a problem with this site.

The mainstream media has suffered a great deal with dwindling resources and advertising revenue. Real investigative reporting, normally the highest paid journalists, have been minimized and their ranks decimated. AL.COM is the electronic version of the Birmingham News and their reporters are entry level positions posting articles that don’t even pass the bare essentials of editorial muster. Editors are almost deemed excess baggage these days. I know it’s a slippery slope but sooner or later WS will need to rethink policy about MSM being the only allowed source. It will be a difficult road but eventually there should be a policy allowing some form of additional sourcing because restricting it to MSM is pretty much ignoring you’re not getting “the rest of the story”. Good luck with it but it’s inevitable, sooner rather than later I’m afraid.

Drc40, I am one who agrees with you. AL.COM's reporters are amateur reporters; most are freelance. They are not a reputable version of the B'ham News. Also, we know from this case alone that MSM releases incorrect info, as it happened here last week. I think there is great benefit in SM for cases like this because people love to talk, just not to LE, and that is where the info will be found. What may be an answer is to have a side thread for SM pertaining to the case and not allow the two to mix. Like you have I'm sure, I've read deep into the comments on SM by persons close to the case and that leaves me with a little better understanding. No, it doesn't give me the answer to where CC is, but it does clear some confusion and even some speculation seen here.

 

[SouthAussie]

The more I have looked at the spot where they were, I suspect it was just outside their door.

Yes, I think the children were likely playing very close to whatever apartment they were based at. Unfortunately for KM, the carer had turned away from the window, or left the stoop, for a few moments to get coffee/go to the bathroom/do whatever.

 

[Catmommy]

With ALL the respect I have for my fellow and sister members, while determining how the baby was taken may help people feel they can prevent such an occurrence again, it does NOTHING to find this precious girl. Isn't that what we're here for? WHERE IS CUPCAKE??? How can we help find her?

Put her picture and story on any social media you have. Place posters of your own if you are in the states of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi. Talk to your neighbors and church members and PTA members and any gathering where you can spread the word. We should all be making Cupcake such a priority that whoever took her feels the heat. Talking about how she was taken doesn't bring this baby home.

This is my disappointed opinion cause I really hoped she'd been found by now. Please forgive me if it comes across too harshly.

 

[margarita25]

With all due respect to the policy makers here I completely and wholeheartedly disagree with this. If my wife or daughter are abducted I would want my comments broadcast over the biggest loudspeaker in the world. Maybe it’s just me but I would welcome anyone quoting what I had to say while enduring the absolute heartache of dealing with a missing loved one.

(I’m behind and don’t even know what y’all are talking about yet but if and when a family member appeals/comments on SM, MSM will pick it up. So we will hear their pleas. I’m just saying that anything important that is on SM, MSM will or NEWS SM pages will pick it up. Maybe I should read before commenting but just want to say I’ve seen family members plea on SM and msm or news SM will pick it up with something like “Mother pleads with abductors”, or whatever it is. Anyway, carry on, trying to catch up.)

 

[n4k]

We don't know where the camera was located, or whose house it is, but it looks to me that the kids were playing to the right of the playground, near that big tree that the men walked by, and in front of the house. They were wandering around so it's hard to tell. But in the beginning they came from the opposite direction. (near the Daycare)

Imo

We do know where the camera was/is located. Right here by this truck. Google Maps The only house right next to where the kids were playing.

 

[Drc40]

I’m behind and don’t even know what y’all are talking about yet but if and when a family member appeals/comments on SM, MSM will pick it up. So we will hear their pleas. I’m just saying that anything important that is on SM, MSM will pick it up, if not their SM pages to which we are allowed to link. Maybe I should read before commenting but just want to say I’ve heard seen family members plea on SM and msm will pick it up with something g like “Mother pleads with abductors”, or whatever it is. Anyway, carry on, trying to catch up.

Now I’m really confused. We are allowed to link family SM?

 

[Asme27]

Ok, now I’m really confused on this video now. The red lines is where a street is because there’s a a car driving past in the video (car is circled red). Then the yellow is the approx placement of the sidewalk. So I don’t understand how it’s taking place in the area with the camera especially with the camera angle (they would have to be walking towards the camera not to the left if that’s where they are located in the below picture- but if they are further over to the right where the path is more straight- then there wouldn’t be a street to the right of the video).

 

[SouthAussie]

Now I’m really confused. We are allowed to link family SM?

No

 

[margarita25]

Now I’m really confused. We are allowed to link family SM?

No.

(Post edited above to be more clear)

Anyway we are about to get mod whipped for off topic and discussing moderation.

Here’s a link to the rules:
The Rules

Don’t want to get derailed here. Back to CC.

Day 8.

Where is this beautiful precious child?

 

[sleuther0192837465]

DBM

 

[Gigi3]

Oh and to all you posters who said that the debacle last week (when Cupcake was reported found), could potentially make people stop searching... well my daughter-in-law and granddaughter stopped by today and she said I’m so glad they found Cupcake last week!

Of course I had to break the terrible news, but she said her whole office completely thought she’d been found!
I was dumbfounded, but some of you were absolutely correct in thinking this would happen!
Now, where is this precious girl??

 

[SouthAussie]

Ok, now I’m really confused on this video now. The red lines is where a street is because there’s a a car driving past in the video (car is circled red). Then the yellow is the approx placement of the sidewalk. So I don’t understand how it’s taking place in the area with the camera especially with the camera angel (they would have to be walking towards the camera not to the left if that’s where they are located in the below picture- but if they are further over to the right where the path is more straight- then there wouldn’t be a street to the right of the video).

Yes, I have been wondering about which video camera took that video.
The driveway gate of the green house would not be in the video if the video came from the camera on the back corner of the green house. imo But the driveway gate IS in the footage.

But, looky here ... right across the road from the green house is a camera that would also look right in that direction. I think it is possible the video may be from that camera. And the video footage is very zoomed in, hence its ultra grainy appearance.



Swivel the pic in this link, you can see the camera is pointing right down the driveway of its own location, as well as the driveway of the green house. imo
Google Maps

 

[margarita25]

KAMILLE MCKINNEY | Federal Bureau of Investigation


KAMILLE MCKINNEY
Birmingham, Alabama
October 12, 2019

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Age 3 years old
Hair Black
Eyes Brown
Height 3'0"
Weight 60 pounds
Sex Female
Race Black

Remarks:
Kamille was last seen wearing a pink t-shirt with a leopard print Mickey Mouse face, leopard print shorts, and no shoes. She wore yellow, white, and blue hair bows. She has been given the nickname of "Cupcake."

Details:
Kamille McKinney was last seen around 8:30 p.m. on October 12, 2019, in the Tom Brown Village Housing Community of Birmingham, Alabama. She was reportedly kidnapped while attending a birthday party.

Submit a Tip:
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact the FBI's Toll-Free Tipline at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324), your local FBI office, or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate. You can also submit a tip online at tips.fbi.gov..

Anyone with images, videos, or other digital information should upload them to the following Birmingham Police Department site: Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney
Field Office: Birmingham

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[imstilla.grandma]

Cupcakes for “Cupcake.”

The church partnered with Crimestoppers, V.I.R.T.U.E. Inc., and K & J’s Elegant Pastries to make this event happen. Pastor Steve Green says he has seen churches across the state come together and pray for the safe return of Kamille.

“To help, you know, up that number so that somebody will say something,” Green said. “It’s been an all-day event here. The community has responded, and we’re just excited about doing our part as a church.”

$1 of each cupcake sold is going toward the Crimestoppers reward for information leading that leads to Kamille “Cupcake” McKinney.
Cupcakes for ‘Cupcake’: Community rallies together to help search efforts

 

[n4k]

Ok, now I’m really confused on this video now. The red lines is where a street is because there’s a a car driving past in the video (car is circled red). Then the yellow is the approx placement of the sidewalk. So I don’t understand how it’s taking place in the area with the camera especially with the camera angel (they would have to be walking towards the camera not to the left if that’s where they are located in the below picture- but if they are further over to the right where the path is more straight- then there wouldn’t be a street to the right of the video).

You had me going for a few minutes. That camera is mounted on the side of the house, I believe. If you'll compare the awning structure on google street view to the video released by LE, you can tell how much the video is zoomed in. Notice the one leg you see in the video vs the two in street view. That zooming in, along with the night vision is picking that car up on the street at the end of the path. That is definitely the correct house where the video is from. Notice the low fence beside the higher fence to the left of the truck. All IMO, of course.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“Cupcakes” for “Cupcake”
Twitter​

 

[n4k]

I believe they will search Avondale Park today. 0.8 miles from TB. Large body of water there. Has anyone seen where they have searched any water?

FWIW, I drove through Avondale park today. No search there. Way too much activity going on for them to search. Ballgame, dog walkers, lots of kids, etc.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think you have very valid points, no doubt. I never said it would be easy because it is a VERY slippery slope. How that is navigated is not up to me, I’m just posting observations from being a new member. I also do not want to be subjected to a long line of BS but I disagree with the families NOT being considered victims. They are victims of the highest order and I would want my personal comments broadcast on the worlds biggest microphone if my daughter, wife or loved one went missing.

I’ve gathered that a great number of people visiting this site are middle aged or above as am I. Unfortunately we all have to accept that news, in particular its source, has changed dramatically. Many people under 30 don’t even watch main stream TV.

It won’t be easy, and maybe it’s impossible, but determining authoritative sources is the exclusive right of MSM is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand.

Family members ARE considered victims. We just can't post their SM here. Not everybody wants their personal information broadcast for the world to see. That's why most people close their accounts, or sometimes LE does, so it does not become public.
As long as LE has access to the information, it can be useful to the investigation. The public does not need to see it for them to solve the case. In fact they have publicly stated it can be more of a hindrance.

Imo