Found Deceased AL - Kamille "Cupcake" McKinney, 3, kidnapped from birthday party, Birmingham, 12 Oct 2019 #5

[Lillymac]

I don't know.

My rhetorical reply was regarding if she had on a top over an anti suicide smock.

I was agreeing with you!

 

[CSIDreamer]

I was agreeing with you!

I guess we are both the rhetorical type lol.

 

[Lillymac]

I guess we are both the rhetorical type lol.

Lol! Hopefully that's a good thing.

 

[Aubie007]

If that's the case then maybe that was her excuse for being in the area. I can't imagine why else she would volunteer that info.

Pommymommy linked an article showing DIB children were sent to a relative to live in colonial cove subdivision. That neighborhood is down springville rd a few miles from where the search was yesterday. Might not mean anything though.

 

[MyBelle]

Thank you.

I understand.

I could list way more precious children who were abducted, and murdered by vile evil stranger predators who have raped, and murdered so many.

Thanks again for your reply.

Imo, I think Cupcake has also been abducted by another evil stranger predator.

We have seen many cases of children being kidnapped right on a busy street in broad daylight, and no one saw or heard a thing.

It painfully shows how these strangers dont need, but a few second to kidnap precious children.

Jmho

Have LE said the two POIs are strangers to either parent? I've just started learning about this case but it strikes me more as an act of retaliation against a key adult in Cupcake's life and it also sounds well-planned. Especially considering one of the POIs kidnapped her own children from foster care.

JMO

 

[peppertheyorkiepoo]

Sounds like he may just become another POI. By google maps Bessemer is 17 miles from Avondale. Not far at all. Scary to think a wanted child molester had been spotted in the area and the public was not warned.

Read on the next page, he has been captured. At lest he is off the streets.

 

[Asme27]

Hope I did this correctly. I circled an area that is in a parking lot across 41st Pl. N, that IMO, looks similar to the shape of the grassy area in one of the photos released of the Sequoia.

Huh. Now that you brought that one picture up, IMO the guy driving actually looks like the sweater that matches the 1st guy in the video released. JMO

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Well I would assume the relative she took her kids from would be a witness? Could be difficult to not communicate with a relative.

She admitted to contacting witnesses in her kidnapping case. This was a huge violation.

It sounded like she was trying to threaten witnesses in her kidnapping case and so was trying to interfere with the situation which will get you charged and tossed in jail.

Suspects have this bizarre tendency to confess to lesser crimes. Usually those crimes are directly related to the case they are being investigated for though.

That could have happened here.

Another possibility is law enforcement found evidence that she had made contact with people she wasn’t supposed to, and when presented with this evidence she confessed.

 

[Aubie007]

I’m assuming LE believes she’d be most likely to talk and cut a deal.

 

[Drc40]

CHILD ABDUCTION MURDER RESEARCH
2006 Child Abduction Murder Study

In late 1993, the Criminal Division of the Washington State Attorney General's Office undertook a 3-1/2 year research project, partially funded by the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, to study the investigation of child abduction murder cases.

In this first research project, published in 1997, researchers reviewed more than 600 child abduction murder cases across the United States, then interviewed the investigating detectives. This data provided law enforcement valuable insight into what investigative techniques tend to be most productive.

Now the Attorney General’s Office has released a follow-up study, including 175 additional solved cases. The additional cases generally reflect and support the findings in the original report with several significant and definite differences:

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  • With more killers identified, researchers found threat that the killer will be a friend or acquaintance is nearly equal to that of a stranger.
  • The probability that the killer’s name will come up during the first week of the investigation has decreased.
  • The use of by killers as a trigger to murder has increased.

Key findings:

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  • In 74 percent of the missing children homicide cases studied, the child murder victim was female and the average age was 11 years old.
  • In 44 percent of the cases studied, the victims and killers were strangers, but in 42 percent of the cases, the victims and killers were friends or acquaintances.
  • Only about 14 percent of the cases studied involved parents or intimates killing the child.
  • Almost two-thirds of the killers in these cases have prior arrests for violent crimes, with slightly more than half of those prior crimes committed against children.
  • The primary motive for the child abduction killer in the cases studied was sexual assault.
  • In nearly 60 percent of the cases studied, more than two hours passed between the time someone realized the child was missing and the time police were notified.
  • In 76 percent of the missing children homicide cases studied, the child was dead within three hours of the abduction–and in 88.5 percent of the cases the child was dead within 24 hours.

Key recommendations to protect children:

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  • Be aware that children are not immune from abduction because they are close to home. More than half of the study’s abductions took place within three city blocks of the victim’s home.
  • Be certain that your children are supervised – even if they are in their own front yard or neighborhood street. Approximately one-third of the abductions studied took occurred within one-half block of the victim’s home.
  • Teach your children not to ever approach a car– whether the occupant is a stranger or not– no matter what the occupant the tells them or asks them.
  • Be aware of strangers and unusual behavior in your neighborhoods. Many child abductions are witnessed by people who do not realize that a crime is being committed.
  • If your child is ever missing, CALL POLICE IMMEDIATELY. An immediate response to a missing or abducted child may be the difference between life and death.

Child Abduction Murder Research | Washington State

THANK YOU. I have spent hours reading this and similar reports. These are despicable crimes and the reports even suggest more attention should have been paid earlier on. There isn’t much that unites a huge majority like child crimes.

As further sourcing 2 other government sturdies are worth at least spot reading. Both of these cover child abduction and some parts of all 3 reports overlap each other.


https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/196465.pdf

OIG Audit Report 09-08

 

[margarita25]

This case is so dumbfounding I still can’t believe it. It’s just unfathomable that someone could waltz through the projects and snatch a little girl without drawing some kind of attention.

I took this shot from google earth showing the estimated distance the girls would have walked to be in full view of the party. 75 FREAKIN feet, that’s all! I estimated and marked where the party was and the closest area a car could be (red ? marks) in the direction the girls walked. It’s also SOOOOOO close. UGH, but yet so far.

Drc40, I know what you mean. I have stood in the exact spot where Jessica Ridgeway was abducted on her way to school. It was broad daylight, all the houses are VERY close together, there would have been people out driving heading to work, school, riding their bikes, walking to school, etc., yet nobody saw anything. It was unfathomable to me how she was abducted there in that exact spot and nobody saw a thing. That has always stuck with me as far as studying future cases: All it takes is a second, and it can happen anywhere even in a public place in broad daylight and people still might not see or notice anything.

 

[MsBetsy]

Have LE said the two POIs are strangers to either parent? I've just started learning about this case but it strikes me more as an act of retaliation against a key adult in Cupcake's life and it also sounds well-planned. Especially considering one of the POIs kidnapped her own children from foster care.

JMO

LE has stated they have not found any connection to the family. Imo

 

[SouthAussie]

This case is so dumbfounding I still can’t believe it. It’s just unfathomable that someone could waltz through the projects and snatch a little girl without drawing some kind of attention.

I took this shot from google earth showing the estimated distance the girls would have walked to be in full view of the party. 75 FREAKIN feet, that’s all! I estimated and marked where the party was and the closest area a car could be (red ? marks) in the direction the girls walked. It’s also SOOOOOO close. UGH, but yet so far.

Just looking at your map pic, and thinking that the reason the 2nd child was not taken may be because she didn't go all the way to the vehicle.

As the 2nd child lived there, she may have known her limitations. That is, she may have been told "don't you ever go back there out of my sight". If from her home apartment her mum could see the grassed area where they were playing, she may have been allowed to play there ... usually/sometimes.

The 2nd child may have stopped and thought "I am not allowed around there" - around the back of the apartments where the car park is. Little KM may not have done that, not having that limitation drilled into her head over time.

Your map pic again:

 

[MummyRatcliffe]

Have LE said the two POIs are strangers to either parent? I've just started learning about this case but it strikes me more as an act of retaliation against a key adult in Cupcake's life and it also sounds well-planned. Especially considering one of the POIs kidnapped her own children from foster care.

JMO

An act of retaliation was discussed at length earlier in the threads and was quite a plausible explanation after reading everything including SM rumours at the time, still a possibility I suppose but seeing as Cupcake wasn't at her home address, was at the cousins, it couldn't have been known beforehand that she would be outside playing unsupervised giving the perfect opportunity for her to be taken, I personally am leaning more now to a stranger abduction of opportunity moo, especially with the surveillance footage of her following the POI moo

 

[margarita25]

No, they aren’t. Remember you’re looking beneath the tree canopy. I believe that car is on the road in front of two buildings. One’s front is facing the street and the others side faces the street. I think if you view some of the aerials posted you’ll see this video angle would also point between these two buildings which are separated by the walkway. If that makes sense?

I just want to say I hope you stick around after this case is resolved to help out in other cases. All of your insight and images have been really helpful and I think you show great potential and skill as a sleuther. Of course I wouldn’t blame you if you left after this; these cases are indeed tough to handle.

 

[margarita25]

An act of retaliation was discussed at length earlier in the threads and was quite a plausible explanation after reading everything including SM rumours at the time, still a possibility I suppose but seeing as Cupcake wasn't at her home address, was at the cousins, it couldn't have been known beforehand that she would be outside playing unsupervised giving the perfect opportunity for her to be taken, I personally am leaning more now to a stranger abduction of opportunity moo, especially with the surveillance footage of her following the POI moo

This so far is what LE has seemed to be indicating during the course of this investigation to date. We know, however, that the nature of an investigation is subject to change at any time as new information is learned but that is certainly key one factor which has made me view the case as I have this entire week, which is reading what LE is telling us, that by all indications so far this appears to be a “random abduction with others involved.”

 

[oviedo]

An act of retaliation was discussed at length earlier in the threads and was quite a plausible explanation after reading everything including SM rumours at the time, still a possibility I suppose but seeing as Cupcake wasn't at her home address, was at the cousins, it couldn't have been known beforehand that she would be outside playing unsupervised giving the perfect opportunity for her to be taken, I personally am leaning more now to a stranger abduction of opportunity moo, especially with the surveillance footage of her following the POI moo

I’ve wondered if she recognized man#2 ?

 

[Stunned]

Hi Oceanblueeyes

Yeah to be fair I should have worded that better. Every case on WS I have followed, not every single one and i haven’t come near to following the amount of cases as you have. I only joined WS in 2014, cases below I have followed and the culprit:-

Mikaeel Kular - Mother
Becky watts - Step Brother & his GF
Shannon Matthews (staged kidnapping) -Mother / Uncle
Lonzie Barton - Mother’s BF & Mother
Malek Drummond - Father
Elizabeth (Lizzy) Shelley - Uncle
Maleah Davis - Mother’s BF
Paige Docherty - local Delhi shop owner known to victim

Exceptions - Alesha MacPhail - teenager who was known to her father and lived in the same town.

I felt sad writing all those. There are probably more aswell but my head hurts.

Of course stranger abductions / killings happen I never said they didn’t, maybe it just so happens most of the cases I have followed haven’t been. JMO

The little girl in Lumberton, sorry, her name escapes me.

 

[PommyMommy]

The little girl in Lumberton, sorry, her name escapes me.

Hania Aguilar?

 

[margarita25]

The little girl in Lumberton, sorry, her name escapes me.

Hania Aguilar?