AL - Karen Shahan, 53, murdered, Homewood, 23 July 2013 #1

[SmoothOperator]

Going to guess that means 'social media' rather than 'mainstream media'.

Just to be clear 'Mainstream Media' is reporting the fact that the victim, Karen Shahan's body was found on the couch.. While this info I'm quite certain is in SM as well, the important issue is that MSM is and has been reporting this fact..

(Anyone interested can take their pick as to the multiple MSMs its been reported.. I've posted more than a dozen links a couple pages back)

 

[Elley Mae]

Shahan voluntarily walked into the police station in Homewood, Wednesday, to talk with police about his wife's death.

http://www.abc3340.com/story/23093960/rev-rich

I wonder what he said that caused them (LE) to put a 48 hr hold, iirc. jmo

 

[MissJ]

JMO but maybe he realized he'd be the first person LE looked into for this crime. So he thought he'd head down to the police station and look like he was just being Mr. Niceguy and all, being perfectly cooperative. Except maybe they had some info that conflicted with his statements and therefore LE thought they could use whatever to hold him long enough to get him to confess. Sometimes that tactic actually works. I'm from a law enforcement family and JMO.

 

[BhamAdGal]

Don't forget Mrs. Shahan also didn't show up for a meeting at the church before her Hobby Lobby shift on Tuesday am. We do not know the nature of this early am meeting- counseling? Did she have something to tell the church about her husband while he was out of town? This caused church staff to go to the house and check on her and they alerted police according to one report. The house is adjacent to church parking lot.

 

[ClemiFern]

JMO but maybe he realized he'd be the first person LE looked into for this crime. So he thought he'd head down to the police station and look like he was just being Mr. Niceguy and all, being perfectly cooperative. Except maybe they had some info that conflicted with his statements and therefore LE thought they could use whatever to hold him long enough to get him to confess. Sometimes that tactic actually works. I'm from a law enforcement family and JMO.

According to the article linked below, he went in voluntarily, but it was at the request of detectives so the 3 day interview last week was not Mr. Shahan's idea. Just wanted to clear that up.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/homewood_pastor_released_from.html

Quoted directly from this article and BBM:

Police said Shahan went to the Homewood Police Department voluntarily, but at the request of detectives, for an interview.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Shahan voluntarily walked into the police station in Homewood, Wednesday, to talk with police about his wife's death.

http://www.abc3340.com/story/23093960/rev-rich

I wonder what he said that caused them (LE) to put a 48 hr hold, iirc. jmo

I have a feeling LE "invited" him to come have a little chat....

They may have had a tight script of questions to ask...

and it looks like he might not have gotten an A+ on the test... KWIM?

JMO

 

[ClemiFern]

Latest article. No news to report. This article just refers to Dr. Carter's sermon yesterday (Sunday) morning. Says he met with Richard Shahan on Saturday night and prayed and wept with him. Don't know if this is considered MSM or not. It's the only news I've seen today.

http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/con...ch-hit-by-murder-doubt-not-a-sin#.UgksTz9dDR8

 

[SmoothOperator]

JMO but maybe he realized he'd be the first person LE looked into for this crime. So he thought he'd head down to the police station and look like he was just being Mr. Niceguy and all, being perfectly cooperative. Except maybe they had some info that conflicted with his statements and therefore LE thought they could use whatever to hold him long enough to get him to confess. Sometimes that tactic actually works. I'm from a law enforcement family and JMO.

As mentioned upthread I do believe that it was at LE's request that brought Richard into the police station last Wednesday.. Other than that I tend to agree with you about his likely being somewhat confident of reviewing his account and timeline wrt his wife's murder.. IIRC this meeting last Wednesday was not his first go-round with LE in his having already been interviewed by them prior to last Wednesday's meeting..

IMO I can see someone being confident about this meeting if they had already given their account/timeline and possibly felt this follow up was nothing more than a standard operating procedure(and maybe it was just SOP..we just don't know yet).

I also agree with IHAVENOCLUE's post upthread about LE likely having a tight script of how they were going about this second interview with the victim's husband..and it was through this line of questioning that possibly contradictions, and other issues were just not adding up...thus leading to their imposing the 48hour hold with hopeful intent of a man of the cloth's conscience forcing him to confess..

Don't forget Mrs. Shahan also didn't show up for a meeting at the church before her Hobby Lobby shift on Tuesday am. We do not know the nature of this early am meeting- counseling? Did she have something to tell the church about her husband while he was out of town? This caused church staff to go to the house and check on her and they alerted police according to one report. The house is adjacent to church parking lot.

Yes, you're correct as has been discussed earlier in the seeming different reporting of how Karen's welfare came to be known to LE that Tuesday morning.. Most reports state it was a coworker who contacted LE requesting the welfare check on Karen when she had not yet shown up for her morning work shift at Hobby Lobby..this leading LE to her home and their finding her body in the home..

Then we have the few reports that state that Karen actually had an appt with the church that Tuesday morning and that along with work she was also a No Show for this scheduled appt with the church.. Reporting that it was church officials who entered the Shahan home and found Karen's body..further reporting that around 11:15am LE responded to a call reporting there was a body found in the Shahan home on Hugh Circle..

This different reporting of the events of that morning had several questioning which was accurate.. I tend to agree with meanmaryjean's post stating its likely both accounts are accurate, but my only question I am left with is the fact that it is actually the church, themselves who report that church officials found her body, which doesn't seem to mesh with the reporting that LE responded to a welfare request called in by Karen's HobbyLobby coworkers, and it was LE that while conducting the welfare check entered the Shahan residence and found her body..

KWIM??.. it is likely just that the details have been misconstrued in the various media reports and that it is a combination of both church and coworkers that sounded the alarm leading to Karen's body being found Tuesday morning.. Like I said its just the different accounting of it being church officials that actually found her inside the home and that LE responded to the 911 call that a body had been found in the Shahan home(and again the fact that it is the actual church, themselves that state this particular accounting of how Karen was found)..It is this that has me still a bit befuddled:crazy:

All jmo, tho..

 

[txsvicki]

What is that man saying? Jesus doubted God or dreaded being crucified? Reading the ten commandments, it's pretty clear that the police are doing their job.

 

[LambChop]

What is that man saying? Jesus doubted God or dreaded being crucified? Reading the ten commandments, it's pretty clear that the police are doing their job.

Just a note. I'll leave your post up txsvicki but posters should not discussion regarding the religious aspects of this article should not be discussed since religious discussions are off limits on WS. lease:

 

[txsvicki]

I'm sorry, and will think before typing.

 

[LambChop]

I'm sorry, and will think before typing.

That's okay. We just don't want to do a cleanup on aisle nine. lol

 

[tiredblondy]

Just checking, I was really hoping there would be some developments in this case by now...... :waiting:

 

[SmoothOperator]

My apologies in advance for the rambling thoughts regarding my repetitive nature about church officials, coworkers, LE, and the way in which the events unfolded discovering Karen's body.. Just a quick narrative of how all of the info can be accurate, fit together, and still make sense..

Several of us have talked several times about it seeming to be an extreme reaction that coworkers would immediately call LE due to a coworkers having not yet shown up for ONE, morning work shift.. We've discussed the possibility of there having been someone or something that scared, made her uneasy, or fearful in the days or weeks leading up to her death that she shared with coworkers..and its due to this knowledge that immediately led to their being fearful to such a degree that they involved LE when she was more than a couple hours late and had not shown up for her morning work shift.. While I still find that to be a possibility I also can see a slightly different version of events that may fit or make sense as well..

When Karen did not show up for work that morning in all likelihood there were multiple calls made attempting to reach her(home and cell)..and when all of those calls failed to establish contact with Karen, along with her coworkers knowing that her husband was out of town and Karen was staying alone.. I can see the possibility of a coworker(s) making the extremely short trek from Hobby Lobby over to Karen's home(literally 2-3mile distance) to check on her.. The coworkers see that Karen's vehicle is still there at the home thus leading to their likely attempting to knock/ring doorbell.. IMO in their attempting to make contact with Karen at her home I can see their likely being able to see the broken window that we now know about..

With the fact being that the Shahan residence very literally backs up to the church and the church actually even owning the home I can see where at some point in the coworkers going to/being at the Shahan home that church officials either happened by as well(especially see as tho, Karen had a scheduled appt w/the church that morning and did not show up)..church officials owning the home and having keys to the home would have been able to access the home and discover her body on the couch(which is what the church states happened).. A call is immediately put into LE and LE respond to a call reporting that a body had been found inside the home on Hugh Circle(as has been reported by church and other media)..

IMO this would seem to be a more reasonable reaction wrt the coworkers going by her house that morning after she didn't show up for work, and was unable to be reached by telephone.. IMO this makes much more sense than their immediately contacting LE when she had not yet shown up to work, as thats always seemed to be a bit of an extreme first reaction..so, in that sense IMO it fits well, along with it also fitting with the reports of church officials being who discovered her body and that at 11:15am LE responded to a call that a body had been found in the home on Hugh Circle..<<---- all of that fits and makes sense, IMO..

But yet again I am left with a piece that does not appear to "fit" anywhere.. A piece that is widely reported that coworkers contacted LE for a welfare check and this is when/how Karen's body was found in the home..<<---This fact cannot be true if this fact is true--->> LE responded to a 911 call reporting a body had been found in the home on Hugh Circle.(presumably a call made by the church officials who state they found her body)

So, ya see both of those reported "facts" cannot be true and it is this issue that has led to my repeated, droning on about the events of that morning in Karen being discovered..

Again my apologies and please feel free to scroll and roll if this is of no interest to you and you've long since tired of my being a broken record on this issue:blushing:

 

[meanmaryjean]

How did I miss the 'broken window' part???????????????????

 

[wfgodot]

The house appeared to be in disarray, and a window was broken.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/the_rev_richard_shahan_jailed.html

 

[SmoothOperator]

How did I miss the 'broken window' part???????????????????

lol..it was not a fact that was released early on, but rather it was released at/around the time of the news breaking that Richard was in custody on the 48hour hold.. I can see how it would be easily missed as it literally just appeared, added to the statement of the home being in disarray, with no attention or emphasis to the newly added detail..

So, I can definitely see how it would be easily missed

 

[al66pine]

SmoothOp,
Your posts today do a good job of explaining the MSM articles w. discrepancies about who found Ms S &
why the alarm went out so quickly about Ms S missing work. Thk you.

Smooth & everyone,

I'd swear I read, within a few days of Ms Shahan's death,
a MSM article referred to her missing an appointment, involving her mother that (Tues?) morning.

At the time of reading, I had the impression she was supposed to pick up & take her mother to an apptmt -
perhaps a med. apptmt, or an apptmt or committee meeting at the church, or IDK.

I can't find a link w. that info now.

Does Ms S's mother live in the area, close enough that Ms S would conceivably take her to an apptmt?
(hope this is not unacceptable sleuthing)

If Ms S failed to pick up her mother, and if she failed to call mother to inform her,
perhaps her mother called HobLob and/or the church searching for her.
That could have provided impetus for an immediate church check and/or an immediate LE welfare check.

Does anyone else recall reading that Ms S's plans for that morning included an apptmt w. her mother?:seeya:

If not, perhaps I'm confusing :facepalm: w. another case.

Thx in adv.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

SmoothOp,
Your posts today do a good job of explaining the MSM articles w. discrepancies about who found Ms S &
why the alarm went out so quickly about Ms S missing work. Thk you.

Smooth & everyone,

I'd swear I read, within a few days of Ms Shahan's death,
a MSM article referred to her missing an appointment, involving her mother that (Tues?) morning.

At the time of reading, I had the impression she was supposed to pick up & take her mother to an apptmt -
perhaps a med. apptmt, or an apptmt or committee meeting at the church, or IDK.

I can't find a link w. that info now.

Does Ms S's mother live in the area, close enough that Ms S would conceivably take her to an apptmt? (hope this does not count as unacceptable sleuthing)

If Ms S failed to pick up her mother, and if she failed to call mother to inform her, perhaps her mother called HobLob and/or the church searching for her.
That could have provided impetus for an immediate church check and/or an immediate LE welfare check.

Does anyone else recall reading about Ms S schedule for the day?:seeya:

If not, perhaps I'm confusing :facepalm: w. another case.

Thx in adv.

Yes... I remember reading about a church appt... And something about her mom... But don't remember if it was in the same article...

However... I believe the church appt. was reported in the First Baptist Publication... Soon after Karen was found deceased...

does that help any?

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

And... I still would like to know if the people concerned about her whereabouts that morning...(Hobby Lobby?...church?...etc...?) ever tried calling her husband...

and if there was any connection made...

and if so... What was his reaction?

JMO