AL - Karen Shahan, 53, murdered, Homewood, 23 July 2013 #1

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Okay he wasn't charged and he was held for "investigative purposes." LE is telling us, per the article, that he is not cleared as a suspect even though he was away visiting one of his children.

So... all sleuthing needs to remain very closely related to what we know from MSM. We are not going to open the door wide on him until I check with Management and get some feedback from other Admin.

Stick to MSM and LE reports. That info is sleuthable and discussable but make sure it is all linked up, okay?

Thanks!

Salem

Thanks, Salem! :seeya:

 

[SCHMAE]

Is the church's flyer about his ' interpreter' ok? That's a curious thing and may play in.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Is the church's flyer about his ' interpreter' ok? That's a curious thing and may play in.

I, too, am very curious about this "colleague" of his!

JMO

 

[colette]

My feeling is they wanted to get his statement on record and lean on him for a confession. Now they need to find the evidence to charge, wherever the evidence leads.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

My feeling is they wanted to get his statement on record and lean on him for a confession. Now they need to find the evidence to charge, wherever the evidence leads.

IMHO, they gave him an "opportunity" of sorts. He may have obliged, or he may not have. Either way, I suspect we will hear much more in the very near future.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I believe there is an accomplice.

Obviously, the Pastor has an unshakeable alibi, if he was physically elsewhere and can prove it.

However, this doesn't prove innocence.

I'm betting this is an unusual type of "love triangle" that will shock everyone. There could be a financial aspect too, such as life insurance.

All too often, a spouse decides murder is much easier and cheaper than divorce.

Not saying this is the case! But pastors don't generally get arrested and held just for being victims of crime....the rest of us, maybe. A religious man? There must be something very compelling he needs to explain.

Maybe he did explain it. :dunno:


:cow:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I believe there is an accomplice.

Obviously, the Pastor has an unshakeable alibi, if he was physically elsewhere and can prove it.

However, this doesn't prove innocence.

I'm betting this is an unusual type of "love triangle" that will shock everyone. There could be a financial aspect too, such as life insurance.

All too often, a spouse decides murder is much easier and cheaper than divorce.

Not saying this is the case! But pastors don't generally get arrested and held just for being victims of crime....the rest of us, maybe. A religious man? There must be something very compelling he needs to explain.

Maybe he did explain it. :dunno:


:cow:

Divorces are so messy ... And expensive... Aren't they?...

Especially if one is a man of the cloth...has someone else already lined up...

And has a propensity for being "challenged" in the area of finances...

Just thinking out loud here...

 

[TGIRecovered]

I don't do Facebook or any other places I imagine there might be a few more details than we have here. The bits and pieces we have gleaned from sources quoted here have left me with a disturbing suspicion that a possible accomplice might have started out as a victim. A person trusted to minister to others holds much the same potential to abuse authority as would a teacher, coach, doctor, or counselor. Perhaps someone was led astray?

I have no reason other than the circumstances of the situation to suspect this, maybe I'm wrong. Anyone who has ever been around someone with a crush on a teacher could see the potential for abuse of power if the teacher doesn't keep professional boundaries clear. It's just part of being a licensed professional.

None of the above is fact as far as I know but I think that it is a definite possibility, considering that this recently bereaved husband is being treated by police as a suspect who was not allowed to leave until the full allowed 48 hours was over, and still he is not cleared.

MOO

 

[txsvicki]

I have no idea if things have changed but a baptist preacher being divorced is not tolerated. No job preaching even if simply divorced and not even remarried. They can go to other denominations though where it's accepted. Maybe others know if this has changed in the baptist denomination.

 

[SmoothOperator]

In keeping with only discussing info/details that have been released via MSM WRT Richard Shahan I wanted to point out this issue that has niggled me greatly from the start and only continues to do so each and every time I see it quoted(as seen in the snipped quote below)..

Her husband was out of town visiting one of their sons when her body was found.

Quite obviously the above quote could be absolutely meaningless and indicative of nothing at all, but I must say its wording has and still does stand out to me(and now combined with his being jailed for the 48 hour "investigative hold" just makes it all the more curious/suspicious, IMO).. What I mean is the way it reads that Karen's husband was out of town when her body was found. That has always jumped out at me in why would it be specifically worded to state her husband was out of town at the time of her body being discovered??.. Why would it exclude his being out of town when she was murdered??.. KWIM??

It has struck me each time I read this statement and does somewhat alert my antennas as to why would it specifically distinguish between the time when her body was discovered and the time when she was murdered?.. IMO the specificity that is used IMO leaves a huge question mark about the time when Karen was actually murdered vs the time when her body was discovered and why would the statement ONLY indicate the husband was out of time at the point of the body being discovered??

Nothing more than just my rambling thoughts about this issue that has continued to niggle at me throughout..MOO.

 

[meanmaryjean]

YES!!!! Being out of town when a body is found is NOT an alibi!!!!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

YES!!!! Being out of town when a body is found is NOT an alibi!!!!

And very sadly, the sons may have to verify (or not) the timeline of the alibi.
Such a sad situation for them indeed.

 

[LambChop]

In keeping with only discussing info/details that have been released via MSM WRT Richard Shahan I wanted to point out this issue that has niggled me greatly from the start and only continues to do so each and every time I see it quoted(as seen in the snipped quote below)..

Quite obviously the above quote could be absolutely meaningless and indicative of nothing at all, but I must say its wording has and still does stand out to me(and now combined with his being jailed for the 48 hour "investigative hold" just makes it all the more curious/suspicious, IMO).. What I mean is the way it reads that Karen's husband was out of town when her body was found. That has always jumped out at me in why would it be specifically worded to state her husband was out of town at the time of her body being discovered??.. Why would it exclude his being out of town when she was murdered??.. KWIM??

It has struck me each time I read this statement and does somewhat alert my antennas as to why would it specifically distinguish between the time when her body was discovered and the time when she was murdered?.. IMO the specificity that is used IMO leaves a huge question mark about the time when Karen was actually murdered vs the time when her body was discovered and why would the statement ONLY indicate the husband was out of time at the point of the body being discovered??

Nothing more than just my rambling thoughts about this issue that has continued to niggle at me throughout..MOO.

Well, we know Karen worked until closing 8:30 ish at Hobby Lobby and was ready for bed when she was killed. Her husband was with his son 4 +/- hours away, 8 hours roundtrip. Was that a statement from LE or was that posted by the media? It could have been phrased that way instead of saying her husband was not at home at the time. He was out of town and the body was discovered by others. Just a guess but that may have been why it was written out that way. jmo

 

[LambChop]

YES!!!! Being out of town when a body is found is NOT an alibi!!!!

I guess it would be if he was there. Fort Campbell is 4 hours away and someone would have noticed had he been gone for 8 hours.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I find it interesting that we haven't seen any statements addressing what time he last saw his wife alive or what time he left to make the drive to his son's home. Loved ones of missing people or crime victims usually speak vividly of the last time they saw the deceased person, reliving the moment so to speak.

MOO

I think it's quite likely he had to stop along the way for gas unless his tank happened to be completely full before he left. That should help establish a timeline for his trip. Of course a cell phone would ping along the way unless he removed the battery.

MOO too

 

[Elley Mae]

It was stated that someone from the store called police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hoir-brutally-murdered-couch-family-home.html

Shahan's co-workers at Hobby Lobby in Wildwood notified police after the woman failed to show up for work on Tuesday morning.


http://www.hobbylobby.com/stores/store_hours.cfm

store hours start at 9:00am she was found at 11:15am.

I wonder what was said to LE to get them to respond that quickly. jmo

 

[SmoothOperator]

It was stated that someone from the store called police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hoir-brutally-murdered-couch-family-home.html

Shahan's co-workers at Hobby Lobby in Wildwood notified police after the woman failed to show up for work on Tuesday morning.


http://www.hobbylobby.com/stores/store_hours.cfm

store hours start at 9:00am she was found at 11:15am.

I wonder what was said to LE to get them to respond that quickly. jmo

As has been brought up before it seems like such an extreme reaction to notify LE when a coworker is late, not arrived for ONE morning work shift.. Leading to my repeated question of was there something that happened in the days/weeks leading up to her murder(as in someone or something that scared, made her uneasy, or fearful), that Karen had possibly shared with coworkers..and it is due to that knowledge that led to their immediately being fearful for Karen's safety to such a degree that they immediately involved LE when she had not yet arrived for ONE, early morning shift at work??

 

[i.b.nora]

I think she had worked at Hobby Lobby for a few years, since a little before they filed for bankruptcy as I recall. If she had things of a personal nature to discuss, things that had to do with say her marriage, she might be more inclined to share that with a co-worker/friend than maybe with any friends connected with the church. Maybe she shared with both, but I suspect that at least one co-worker had reason to be concerned.

Its just an opinion.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I have no idea if things have changed but a baptist preacher being divorced is not tolerated. No job preaching even if simply divorced and not even remarried. They can go to other denominations though where it's accepted. Maybe others know if this has changed in the baptist denomination.

Hmmm..... This is another aspect I intended to refer to in one of my posts above...

a divorce may create a chasm between pastor and parishioners.... More so than in the majority of professions... Since congregations tend to hold their pastors to high levels of moral scrutiny

(Please note this is NOT my personal belief... Just an observation of society in general)

It is even more interesting if divorce is not allowed by reverends in the First Baptist Church...

JMO

 

[ClemiFern]

The Rev. Richard Shahan takes administrative leave days after Homewood police question him in wife's death

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2013/08/the_rev_richard_shahan_takes_a.html

Interesting...