AL - Karen Shahan, 53, murdered, Homewood, 23 July 2013 #2

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JANUARY 8, 2014

The circumstances of the arrest helped propel it to a national news story. In a Jan. 5 report on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” legal analyst Dan Abrams said a key question is whether Jan. 1 was always his planned date for departure.

Pastor charged with murder is on way to Alabama
http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/peo...ed-with-murder-on-way-to-alabama#.UtXi8NK_RDQ
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Here's the ABC “Good Morning America" report.

Baptist Preacher Arrested For Wife's Murder - Good Morning America – Sun, Jan 5, 2014
Video: http://gma.yahoo.com/baptist-preacher-arrested-wife-39-murder-162130793--abc-news-topstories.html
 
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So any public announcements/newsletters regarding RC plans to pursue his mission ministry would of had to have been made on or after November 29?.

First Baptist Church of Birmingham

January 2, 2014

As we know, on November 29 Richard announced his plans to pursue this mission ministry.

http://fbcbirmingham.org/
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enzeder said:
So any public announcements regarding RC plans to pursue his mission ministry would of had to have been made on or after November 29?.
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I wonder in what medium Shahan used to make this announcement...

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enzeder said:
So any public announcements/newsletters regarding RC plans to pursue his mission ministry would of had to have been made on or after November 29?.
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I wonder why the announcement is so difficult to find?

:waitasec:
 
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IHAVENOCLUE said:
I wonder why the announcement is so difficult to find?

:waitasec:
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It wasn't difficult to find and did end up as an article for an ABC report. It was in the church announcements that we were aware of in December. I don't think the question is when he planned to take the trip because that is known. It's when did he decide to leave. Was his flight booked after the warrant was issued or before. His attorneys claim they did not know a warrant was going to be issued and had RS known he would have turned himself in. jmo
 
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You might want to take a look at an obsolete Facebook page of RS. Seems he had his eyes set on this mission trip long before KS was killed.
https://www.facebook.com/richard.shahan?fref=ts

This is why I am wondering if KS was opposed to this trip all along...and yes, I agree to the fact that it seems very odd that KS was killed right after VBS - the largest event of a Children's Pastor's events at a church.
DTLJ
 
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DTLJ said:
You might want to take a look at an obsolete Facebook page of RS. Seems he had his eyes set on this mission trip long before KS was killed.
https://www.facebook.com/richard.shahan?fref=ts

This is why I am wondering if KS was opposed to this trip all along...and yes, I agree to the fact that it seems very odd that KS was killed right after VBS - the largest event of a Children's Pastor's events at a church.
DTLJ
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This was not his first trip and the church's May newsletter reported he was planning on traveling again in the fall. The extended stay appears to have been decided after his wife's death.
 
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enzeder said:
Talks about how events unfolded that day which lead to Karen being found. (Click on 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M 2013-07-28-am.mp3 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M)
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Thanks for posting!

Did I hear this correctly - Karen was supposed to pick up RS mother and did not show so RS mother called the church? Several people from the church found Karen (so maybe they used key to get in or could see something was not right) then they alerted authorities.

I think we had questions all along how exactly Karen was discovered.
 
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enzeder said:
Talks about how events unfolded that day which lead to Karen being found. (Click on 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M 2013-07-28-am.mp3 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M)
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Great find enzender!
 
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enzeder said:
Talks about how events unfolded that day which lead to Karen being found. (Click on 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M 2013-07-28-am.mp3 28-Jul-2013 09:22 19M)
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Yes, great find!! :loveyou:

It also says that RS left on Monday morning.
 
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They (church members) went to Nashville to get him. ??
 
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SouthAussie said:
Thank you :)

Odd that .. can find other fbc newsletters, even the January 2014 one. But the December one does not appear to be available to the public online.

http://fbcbirmingham.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/January-Newsletter.pdf
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Maybe was in the bulletins leading up to his departure or while support raising or such and NOT in the church newsletter itself.

Many missionaries would talk about sending out a newsletter meaning a paper (or email) type of thing with details, updates, prayer requests, praises, etc. And also typically update on support levels, etc. So I think that might be a phrasing thing in this case. Some do it quarterly, some do it monthly, and some everywhere in between, but it's nearly always a requirement from either the organization, their main sending church, or both. Many then also do more specific emails w/ current happenings/prayer requests/etc. to a very limited or select group.

IHAVENOCLUE said:
I wonder why the announcement is so difficult to find?

:waitasec:
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But to be honest, it's VERY common to NOT have much in the way of specifics about someone doing missions work in a restricted or 'creative access' country.

Having lived in them and have many still in one or the other, VERY few of them can have something be in print that could go out to an audience and be freely accessed.

Basically, exactly what we'd like to find here. Only over there, it could mean jail, getting kicked out, getting local believers or seekers in trouble, etc.

So some will use a pen name when raising support and communicating about the ministry - and rarely will any missionaries (even in countries there's no real restriction) name converts, etc. Though very few people know that's the case typically. Some will say names changed for privacy (for converts) or use an obvious code name "Ms Smiley" or something.

Others will allow limited info to be in print on a periodic basis like in church one Sunday, where there will likely be people they don't know wandering in, but they're also not going to have enough info to likely become problematic.

And then there are those who share some on a limited basis but then share more extensively and in greater detail by email or a prayer letter that'd be sent out that they at least know who it's going to, etc. Not that it couldn't be passed on, but...most of those people understand the precautions needed.

It's really only those going to places where there's NO issue with doing overt missions work and typically no history of it ever having been an issue - a very, very limited list of places - that you'll really find missionaries truly able to share in much depth what they're doing and about true nitty gritty of their ministry.

Well, and there are those that kind of use all of them and have different "layers" of what gets communicated and to whom.

With that said, given the situation in Kazakhstan (and notably, obviously towards missions work of any sort by any organization/church) I'd be surprised if he would have shared a whole lot in depth because it could becoming incredibly problematic down the road. Especially since he shared enough publicly that there was no denying he was planning to use Germany as a base to get in and to basically get around the visa issues in Kaz.
 
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FBC , "the messenger" from May 2013:

On Wednesday, May 22, we will host Luba K., from Almaty ..............

Luba has served as Richard's interpreter for both of his mission trips to Kasakhstan last year and will do the same when he returns this Fall.

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She is specifically coming to FB to express a personal word of appreciation for all we have done to help the children of Kasakhstan and to share with us a challenge of a new project in which we can participate.

http://fbcbirmingham.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/MAY-NEWSLETTER.pdf
 
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CountryGirl said:
They (church members) went to Nashville to get him. ??
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It sounded to me like one woman from the church went to check on Karen, came back and got several staff members from the church, and then they called the police. Two of the staff members who went into the house that morning turned around and went to Nashville (a little less than 3 hrs from Birmingham) to get RS, with one of them to drive RS's car back.
 
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I was under the impression he was at Fort Campbell, KY visiting that son. Nashville is closer to Homewood.
 
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Inconsistencies starting to show?

Nashville .. Bowling Green .. Fort Campbell

The unknown sharp object could be anywhere.

Authorities said that Shahan told investigators that he was in Bowling Green, KY when his wife's body was found.
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.... two church staff members immediately drove to Kentucky, where Richard Shahan had gone to visit sons in Franklin, Tenn., and Fort Campbell, Ky
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http://www.myfoxal.com/story/24396280/richard-shahan-in-custody-in-jefferson-county
http://www.abpnews.com/ministry/peo...astor-supports-arrested-minister#.UtcB4fQW0eg
 
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