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Typically the Grand Jury meets infrequently. I believe the estimate was possibly a year before the Shahan case might be heard. It's been so long it's hard to remember. jmo
AL - Karen Shahan, 53, murdered, Homewood, 23 July 2013 #2
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Typically the Grand Jury meets infrequently. I believe the estimate was possibly a year before the Shahan case might be heard. It's been so long it's hard to remember. jmo
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This is a horrible case. I PRAY that whoever is guilty gets the punishment ! I'm not 100% convinced it's her husband, but it looks pretty likely it is. Shame on a sick person snuffing out the light of a good person.
Thank You Lamb Chop I couldn't remember either. I keep checking MSM for any news on Shahan or just the murder of his wife and can't find anything since February 2014 when he was arrested.
I'm pretty sure he feels no shame about anything he does...
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1402/18/ng.01.html
Aired February 18, 2014 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MACK: His answers were enough to make him a suspect, and they actually held him for 48 hours, which is the max they can hold him without charging him for the murder.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots of the First Baptist Church of Birmingham. The pastor there spotted boarding a flight to Germany, allegedly to be with his gay lover and start a life anew, away from the U.S., away from the Baptist church, and away from his wife, Karen Louise Shahan. To Stacy Newman, what do we know about the condition in which her body was found?
NEWMAN: Well, Nancy, investigators describe this as a brutal scene. She was cut, slashed and stabbed to death and left on the couch. And at the time what we learned is there was an unidentified sharp object. Well, now we`ve learned in the last few hours, Nancy, prosecutors say the weapon was a knife.
Was this already posted (then excuse me please)? I remember we didn't know the weapon.
Aired February 18, 2014 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
MACK: His answers were enough to make him a suspect, and they actually held him for 48 hours, which is the max they can hold him without charging him for the murder.
GRACE: Everybody, you are seeing shots of the First Baptist Church of Birmingham. The pastor there spotted boarding a flight to Germany, allegedly to be with his gay lover and start a life anew, away from the U.S., away from the Baptist church, and away from his wife, Karen Louise Shahan. To Stacy Newman, what do we know about the condition in which her body was found?
NEWMAN: Well, Nancy, investigators describe this as a brutal scene. She was cut, slashed and stabbed to death and left on the couch. And at the time what we learned is there was an unidentified sharp object. Well, now we`ve learned in the last few hours, Nancy, prosecutors say the weapon was a knife.
Was this already posted (then excuse me please)? I remember we didn't know the weapon.
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Grand Jury Proceeding
The Grand Jury is composed of twelve citizens (and 6 alternates) from Jefferson County who serve for one month. The hearing before the grand jury is confidential and not open to the public. At the grand jury proceeding, the prosecutor must presents testimony through police or prosecuting witnesses. The burden of proof is identical to that of a probable cause hearing: whether or not there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant committed the offense. If the grand jury believes that there was probable cause, an indictment is issued and presented twice daily to the grand jury judge. If the grand jurors do not believe there was sufficient probable cause, they can either remand the case to district court to be dealt with as a misdemeanor or return a "no true bill" on those counts that fail for lack of probable cause. A "no true bill" is effectively a dismissal of the charges; however, the Commonwealth could present them again at a later time if new evidence becomes available. Defendants have no right to testify before a grand jury, but may request of the grand jury the opportunity to testify. Any testimony given by the defendant to the grand jury may be used against him in later court appearances.
Circuit Court Arraignment
After an indictment is handed down by the grand jury, the defendant is arraigned (given formal notice of the charges against him or her) in a randomly assigned division of circuit court. The charging document is called an indictment. He or she is again advised of his or her constitutional rights, and enters a plea to the charge (guilty, not guilty or stand mute).
http://www.louisvilleprosecutor.com/legal_system.htm
Nothing new so far ...
The Grand Jury is composed of twelve citizens (and 6 alternates) from Jefferson County who serve for one month. The hearing before the grand jury is confidential and not open to the public. At the grand jury proceeding, the prosecutor must presents testimony through police or prosecuting witnesses. The burden of proof is identical to that of a probable cause hearing: whether or not there is probable cause to believe that a crime was committed and that the defendant committed the offense. If the grand jury believes that there was probable cause, an indictment is issued and presented twice daily to the grand jury judge. If the grand jurors do not believe there was sufficient probable cause, they can either remand the case to district court to be dealt with as a misdemeanor or return a "no true bill" on those counts that fail for lack of probable cause. A "no true bill" is effectively a dismissal of the charges; however, the Commonwealth could present them again at a later time if new evidence becomes available. Defendants have no right to testify before a grand jury, but may request of the grand jury the opportunity to testify. Any testimony given by the defendant to the grand jury may be used against him in later court appearances.
Circuit Court Arraignment
After an indictment is handed down by the grand jury, the defendant is arraigned (given formal notice of the charges against him or her) in a randomly assigned division of circuit court. The charging document is called an indictment. He or she is again advised of his or her constitutional rights, and enters a plea to the charge (guilty, not guilty or stand mute).
http://www.louisvilleprosecutor.com/legal_system.htm
Nothing new so far ...
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https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=...372174848588.0004d2bf9c6fabc9312b0&dg=feature
Slayings in the Birmingham area, 2013
A continuously updated map of killings in the Birmingham area in 2013. Includes homicides in Jefferson and Shelby counties.
While searching news, I only found this - sad and impressive.
Slayings in the Birmingham area, 2013
A continuously updated map of killings in the Birmingham area in 2013. Includes homicides in Jefferson and Shelby counties.
While searching news, I only found this - sad and impressive.
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You have to consider that Birmingham is a large city and most of those murders occurred in the inner city area and are totally unrelated to KS's murder. Her murder is totally unrelated to where she lived. That cannot be said of many of the Birmingham deaths, as they are tied to lifestyle, drugs, etc. one only has to read or listen to the daily news there.
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So, with what Stiles said in June...do you have an update for us? Is the Grand Jury that tight that no one knows where this case has gone to? Inquiring minds want to know...Is there a trial set and when will we know...or will we know when the trial is set??
I do know that there is quite a lot of evidence but, investigators are missing the one key piece that without a doubt will convict him. I'm thinking it's the weapon. I'm not even sure his case went before the GJ when they met. It's my understanding that the prosecution is taking it's time in the hopes that the key piece of evidence will be found.
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As I suggested before (months ago): search the church :smile: (means searches through the church).
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Isn't RS guaranteed a trial within a certain amount of time after being arrested or they have to let him go?
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I have not been here for a bit, but seeing this makes me think this someone with lots of rage and hate, Jealousy? jmo idk
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He is not in jail. He is currently out on bail. It is possible the GJ came back with no bill and we just have not heard.
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http://www.drdondutton.com/Papers/2...perandi of spousal homicide perpetrators.html
..in almost 60% of the intimate femicides offenders stabbed, bludgeoned, beat, strangled, and\or slashed the throats of their victims. Often these fatal assaults involved lengthy and excessive violence. In many of these killings the offenders inflicted harm far beyond what would have been necessary to kill their victims. For example, more than half of the stabbings involved multiple stab woundsin many cases, dozens of wounds over the entire body. Similarly, beatings and bludgeonings were typically prolonged attacks with numerous injuries. In addition, almost one-fifth of the cases involved multiple methods. Case histories indicate that it was not unusual for the killer to continue to attack his victim after it was clear she was dead." (Crawford & Gartner, 1992 p.45-46).
Goetting (1995) describes the "homicidal marriages and other romantic relationships appear to have been strongly ambivalent in nature, and the deadly act seems to have dissipated hateful sentiments on the part of the offender, leaving a sense of despair at the loss of the loved one" (p.26). Similar findings were obtained by Campbell (1992), in a study of 73 femicides in Dayton, Ohio (1975 - 1979). 52% were killed by sexual intimates (half from whom they were estranged), 64% were known to have been previously physically abused by the perpetrator. In 61% of the cases overkill or excessive violence was used. Police reports of male jealousy indicate that it was the most frequent motive. Campbells investigation indicates that conjugal paranoia was frequent. No studies of the modus operandi of intimate killings report comparable data for non-intimate femicides.
From the institutional records, a coding sheet was derived that included information on whether 1) evidence existed for the homicide being planned 2) whether a weapon was used 3) the type of weapon 4) the number of blows, stabs etc. 5) whether another person was killed 6)whether the perpetrator confessed 7) whether a suicide attempt was made 8) whether the perpetrator attempted to flee 9) whether the perpetrator called the police 10) whether the perpetrator tried to hide the body 11) whether evidence existed for estrangement 12) whether there was a recorded history of prior violence and 13) the location of the homicide.
Personality Disorder
Presence of personality disorder was determined using the MCMI criterion cutoff of 85th percentile above baseline. According to this criterion, the most prevalent type of personality disorder associated with uxoricide were the Passive-Aggressive (M =88.6), Avoidant (M = 80.1), Self Defeating ( 81.0) and Dependent (M = 78.8) diagnoses. These "overcontrolled" personality types are generally believed to suppress rage. (See Table 3).
Men who kill their wives and who complete valid MCMI reports are almost invariably personality disordered. This finding is consistent with the findings of Hart, Dutton & Newlove (1994) that, as severity of non-lethal physical abuse of spouses increased, so did the likelihood of personality disorder. The surprising finding in the current research however, is that the so called "overcontrolled personality disorders are overrepresented amongst spousal killers. Passive aggressive and Dependent personality disorders are most frequent, and Antisocial personality disorder less frequent compared to non lethal spouse abusers.
Also, clear patterns of modi operandi occur with various personality disorders. Overcontrolled men are more likely to commit abandonment murders, to attempt suicide after the murder, and to kill "reactively". Many of the murders occurred during a failed reconciliation, or when a woman first announced her intentions to leave.
..in almost 60% of the intimate femicides offenders stabbed, bludgeoned, beat, strangled, and\or slashed the throats of their victims. Often these fatal assaults involved lengthy and excessive violence. In many of these killings the offenders inflicted harm far beyond what would have been necessary to kill their victims. For example, more than half of the stabbings involved multiple stab woundsin many cases, dozens of wounds over the entire body. Similarly, beatings and bludgeonings were typically prolonged attacks with numerous injuries. In addition, almost one-fifth of the cases involved multiple methods. Case histories indicate that it was not unusual for the killer to continue to attack his victim after it was clear she was dead." (Crawford & Gartner, 1992 p.45-46).
Goetting (1995) describes the "homicidal marriages and other romantic relationships appear to have been strongly ambivalent in nature, and the deadly act seems to have dissipated hateful sentiments on the part of the offender, leaving a sense of despair at the loss of the loved one" (p.26). Similar findings were obtained by Campbell (1992), in a study of 73 femicides in Dayton, Ohio (1975 - 1979). 52% were killed by sexual intimates (half from whom they were estranged), 64% were known to have been previously physically abused by the perpetrator. In 61% of the cases overkill or excessive violence was used. Police reports of male jealousy indicate that it was the most frequent motive. Campbells investigation indicates that conjugal paranoia was frequent. No studies of the modus operandi of intimate killings report comparable data for non-intimate femicides.
From the institutional records, a coding sheet was derived that included information on whether 1) evidence existed for the homicide being planned 2) whether a weapon was used 3) the type of weapon 4) the number of blows, stabs etc. 5) whether another person was killed 6)whether the perpetrator confessed 7) whether a suicide attempt was made 8) whether the perpetrator attempted to flee 9) whether the perpetrator called the police 10) whether the perpetrator tried to hide the body 11) whether evidence existed for estrangement 12) whether there was a recorded history of prior violence and 13) the location of the homicide.
Personality Disorder
Presence of personality disorder was determined using the MCMI criterion cutoff of 85th percentile above baseline. According to this criterion, the most prevalent type of personality disorder associated with uxoricide were the Passive-Aggressive (M =88.6), Avoidant (M = 80.1), Self Defeating ( 81.0) and Dependent (M = 78.8) diagnoses. These "overcontrolled" personality types are generally believed to suppress rage. (See Table 3).
Men who kill their wives and who complete valid MCMI reports are almost invariably personality disordered. This finding is consistent with the findings of Hart, Dutton & Newlove (1994) that, as severity of non-lethal physical abuse of spouses increased, so did the likelihood of personality disorder. The surprising finding in the current research however, is that the so called "overcontrolled personality disorders are overrepresented amongst spousal killers. Passive aggressive and Dependent personality disorders are most frequent, and Antisocial personality disorder less frequent compared to non lethal spouse abusers.
Also, clear patterns of modi operandi occur with various personality disorders. Overcontrolled men are more likely to commit abandonment murders, to attempt suicide after the murder, and to kill "reactively". Many of the murders occurred during a failed reconciliation, or when a woman first announced her intentions to leave.
Murder indictment against former pastor states he cut his wife's throat
Posted: Oct 23, 2014 1:26 PM CDT
Updated: Oct 23, 2014 1:55 PM CDT
By Jon PaepckeCONNECT
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BIRMINGHAM, AL -
A former children's minister has been indicted for the murder of his wife in Homewood.
Court records show that a Jefferson County grand jury handed up the murder indictment against Richard Shahan on August 15th, but the case was not made public until Wednesday.
Shahan is*the former children's minister at First Baptist Church Birmingham.
His wife Karen was found murdered in their Hugh Circle home in Homewood in July of last year.
According to the indictment, Shahan killed his wife by, "stabbing her and cutting her throat with an unknown object."
Shahan has been out on a $100,000 bond.
Posted: Oct 23, 2014 1:26 PM CDT
Updated: Oct 23, 2014 1:55 PM CDT
By Jon PaepckeCONNECT
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BIRMINGHAM, AL -
A former children's minister has been indicted for the murder of his wife in Homewood.
Court records show that a Jefferson County grand jury handed up the murder indictment against Richard Shahan on August 15th, but the case was not made public until Wednesday.
Shahan is*the former children's minister at First Baptist Church Birmingham.
His wife Karen was found murdered in their Hugh Circle home in Homewood in July of last year.
According to the indictment, Shahan killed his wife by, "stabbing her and cutting her throat with an unknown object."
Shahan has been out on a $100,000 bond.
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Thank you for this update! :tyou:
I have two questions...(at least...)
- Now that he has been indicted...will there be a higher bond?
- Was a trial date set?
TIA...:seeya:
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