Initially, I bought the original story. The most likely scenario was that she went off with two strangers, probably because she was promised drugs.
It explained the risk she apparently took, and it’s not like a female hasn’t met up with strangers at a bar, and found herself the victim of something nefarious before.
I made the mistake of assuming that she was there with multiple people, and her presence was not in question.
It was simple, and atleast made some sort of sense.
But as I see it now, that account has huge problems with it:
No video of those men.
No appeals for their identification.
No public corroboration of what now appears to be the account of a lone witness.
No statement from law enforcement that PH was even there (other than repeating what the witness said, which was the basis of the missing persons report).
It’s not “discarding” something as being untrue. It’s a refusal to blindly accept what very well may be untrue.
I agree, for the most part. I have several different ideas; these address several different posts (sorry, didn't copy and paste all of them, as there were many). I also have very close 2nd-hand experience and training with heavy drug misuse, so some comes into play in the below comments.
The mother was in frequent touch with the daughter, moreso than most would be w a 29 yo. She lived at home (?) and
called (not just texted) several times a day as if to check in - after arriving at work, lunch, break etc. This is rather extreme for a 29 y o, and shows there was a lot of concern. It wasn't just a close friendship with Mom, as those times are not 'chat times' - they are all clearly check-in times to show she was not "in danger" - of what?
This indicates a few possibilities:
- Mother/both were worried about her physical safety - why? Was she threatened previously? That's possible with coming out of the drug world (did she owe $$?), or just regular life. It could relate to something other than drugs. The world has lots of physical threats for young women, not just about drugs. Most of us with daughters check in after they have a breakup, for example... and they do break up with lovers when they stop drug use.
- Women with women can be in challenging situations, too
- She was worried about her mental health
- She was worried about her sobriety and "checking in" with her <- most likely
If mom was worried about her sobriety, she'd be rightfully
very concerned about her going to a bar. It's a touchy subject but typically a no-no for new sobriety. Also, one does not go hanging around their old druggie buddies - not even for a minute - alone. (Someone suggested she may have done so - that would
not be an innocuous visit, not a smart visit, and not a visit anyone would okay if they asked about it.) They also DO NOT go off with strangers. She seemed very concerned about her sobriety. That whole story makes no sense.
It feels to me that perhaps the friend wasn't the one doing anything wrong - especially if the rest of the story was a lie - perhaps the friend was trying to cover for PH to help her out (not related to drugs) -- covering for PH? Or was there more to it? Was the friend just an innocent third party?
Was it more than one co-worker or friend? We don't know at this point who is who.
The mother
seems religious, although I have no way of knowing for sure - could it be possible that PH felt her mom would not be comfortable with PH being with a woman for the evening, was trying to avoid a confrontation, and her co-worker friend wanted to provide cover for that, innocently enough?
(Not blaming the mother in any way, of course, as clearly she loved and wanted what was best for her daughter - and had nothing to do with any harm that came to her - plus, this is just hypothesis, throwing out ideas.)
Maybe PH said she wanted to see a friend - someone PH cared about - and wanted to see that night. Maybe her friend wanted to be the space where she could do so, not knowing it was so dangerous. Maybe her friend was with her but just for the beginning of the evening, herself.
Or was the friend a close friend, and then PH left after being with her, and we are hearing about more than one friend?
I don't think the co-worker was into heavy drugs, or the Mom would not have okayed her hanging out with her.
I don't think a simple OD is the case - this is why: If it were a drug OD situation, the person/people present would probably have called it in to 911. The symptoms are obvious immediately, and clearly no one else died (that we know of). Even in the south, there are programs where the caller can get help for the person who ODs, often without any blame. There is a well-known anti-overdose medication -- any druggie would know that. They would first try to help the victim, not let them die - even if they got in trouble. Even high, death is not something they'd just let happen. Most druggies are not complete idiots or murderers and would not want a friend to die and would be willing to risk a negative spotlight for that friend to live - at least, they would TRY.
As far as LE, the tips could have been vague and they had to piece them together - hence the seemingly mixed messages about tips and LE figuring it out - they are not mutually exclusive.
Clearly, this is all MOO, discussing ideas, as is this entire thread at this point. ;-)
Actually, do they even say “spring chicken” anymore either lol)
I knew all was not lost.
