Found Deceased AL - Paighton Houston, 29, left bar with 2 men, Birmingham, 20 Dec 2019 #3

[MassGuy]

I have my own theory regarding the suspects. Wouldn't it seem appropriate to at least release the approximate descriptions of the men? They probably have videos or at least descriptions of the suspects...if they are killers, other women in the community could be in danger. The University of Alabama is right there in Birmingham.

It would, unless law enforcement has already found them, or they do not exist in the first place.

One of the two just has to be true.

 

[Seattle1]

Is toxicology always ran as part of an autopsy? I am just wondering if it would have been part of the autopsy and whether any info will be released prior to toxicology results coming in..

The ME/Coroner will have preliminary findings after completing the autopsy and usually issues a preliminary report for the investigators while they send off samples for independent lab testing. Toxicology is usually 6+ weeks for results.

I expect to hear manner of death any day but the preliminary finding is seldom shared with the public -- instead, we'll hear that cause of death is pending toxicology results.

ETA: If the cause of death can be determined without toxicology (i.e., strangulation for example) then it will be released without waiting on tox results.

 

[ncwsleuth]

I'm hoping tomorrow we get some info from LE as to the position of her body. Was she found in an unnatural position? Remember SS was found that way, bound.
I wouldn't think she was unwrapped until she was at the ME's office, so I don't think they will call it a homicide until the ME sees her, if they are going to call it that.

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could the unnatural position be referencing that her body was discovered vertically in a hole vs. lying flat in a horizontal position like within a typical grave?

 

[margarita25]

I have my own theory regarding the suspects. Wouldn't it seem appropriate to at least release the approximate descriptions of the men? They probably have videos or at least descriptions of the suspects...if they are killers, other women in the community could be in danger. The University of Alabama is right there in Birmingham.

Yes, but if they don’t have any information other than they are African American and heavy set, that’s too broad of a description to release, moo. They haven’t stated that they have video or any other information other than they are described as being black and heavy set, that I’ve heard.

 

[BOSCOE]

LE just seems to be so tight lipped that I'm hoping that means they know a ton more than we realize and frankly don't need the public's help. They sure haven't given us much to help with at this point.

Since Paighton was from a very close knit and supportive family I've always felt LE had a clear direction to follow in this investigation.

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

Yes, but if they don’t have any other information other than they are African American and heavy set, that’s too broad of a description to release, moo.

Paighton Houston Found: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

I am sure that there is more information about the killers than is being reported.

 

[ncwsleuth]

DBM

 

[evilwise]

I have my own theory regarding the suspects. Wouldn't it seem appropriate to at least release the approximate descriptions of the men? They probably have videos or at least descriptions of the suspects...if they are killers, other women in the community could be in danger. The University of Alabama is right there in Birmingham.

There's probably like twenty of them. Something along the lines of the initial two guys take her to a party where she passes out, regains consciences at a completely different location with some REALLY bad dudes, sends the text in hopes of escaping unharmed, doesn't. The text may not have even gone through until her body was being transported and possessions disposed of. You can outbox a text even in a deep dark basement or way far back innawoods.

 

[BOSCOE]

Yes, but if they don’t have any other information other than they are African American and heavy set, that’s too broad of a description to release, moo. They haven’t stated that they have video or any other information that they are black and heavy set, that I’ve heard.

And I truly believe if LE perceived a threat to the community at any time we would have known.
MOO

 

[ncwsleuth]

Dup

 

[margarita25]

Paighton Houston Found: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

I am sure that there is more information about the killers than is being reported.

Maybe? How can we know for sure? IF these males exist, we don’t know that the witness was able give a clothing description or anything else. IF they managed to avoid the cameras, then there may be nothing. OR, maybe they do know more as you mentioned, who knows. But IF they do know more, and IF they think they are related to PH’s murders, and IF they need help identifying them, then I would think they would release this information, but only if these characteristics are such that can set them apart from every other heavy set black male.

 

[margarita25]

And I truly believe if LE perceived a threat to the community at any time we would have known.
MOO

Again, maybe, moo. Often this is the case, as in Jessica Ridgeway’s, they clearly made it clear there was a threat, moo, but in Abby’s & Libby’s case, they’re yet to say clearly imo that there is a threat to the community. I hear ya though. If this has to do with a personal kill or drugs, OD, etc., then the threat to the community may not be there, but LE still has to determine this. This seems to still be an active investigation and not much time has passed since PH’s recovery.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Maybe? How can we know for sure? IF these males exist, we don’t know that the witness was able give a clothing description or anything else. IF they managed to avoid the cameras, then there may be nothing. OR, maybe they do know more as you mentioned, who knows. But IF they did know more, and IF they think they are related to PH’s murders, and IF they need help identifying them, then I would think they would release this information, but only if these characteristics are such that can set them apart from every other heavy set black male.

I find it very questionable that there have been no media reports about these two black men.

No other eyewitnesses who reported seeing them.

No LE BOLO advisories, which one would expect if LE believed there were predators at large who were responsible for Paighton's demise.

 

[SaucyWalker]

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could the unnatural position be referencing that her body was discovered vertically in a hole vs. lying flat in a horizontal position like within a typical grave?

No, it could not have been buried vertically in a hole since LE in initial reports described her as being in a "shallow" grave or words to that effect.
Also, although I did not follow the Savannah Spurlock case I found this from Oxygen.com where LE is quoted as describing the "unnatural position" her body was found in. It was folded in half; I have no idea what LE meant in describing PH's burial position. It is quite macabre to even have to type this, but we've all asked every other question; what's one more at this point?
Savannah Spurlock's Naked Body Was Found In 19-Inch Grave, Her Body Folded In Half, Her Hands And Feet Bound By Tape

 

[margarita25]

I find it very questionable that there have been no media reports about these two black men.

No other eyewitnesses who reported seeing them.

No LE BOLO advisories, which one would expect if LE believed there were predators at large who were responsible for Paighton's demise.

Well, again, if all they have description-wise is “two heavy set black males”, then half the NFL and half of Alabama and everywhere else is a suspect. They need more for a BOLO, IF they do indeed believe the existence of these males to be true, moo.

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ETA: IF SA has been detected in PH’s autopsy, then this will obviously be a game changer.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Well, again, if all they have description wise is 2 heavy set black males, then half the NFL and half of Alabama and everywhere else is a suspect. They need more for a BOLO, IF they do indeed believe the existence of these males to be true, moo.

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ETA: IF SA has been detected in PH’s autopsy, then this will obviously be a game changer.

I don't agree. I can't count the number of times I've heard news reports saying, for example, "The suspect is described as a black male in his 30s, around 5'7" and 160 pounds."

The fact that that description could apply to scores of men doesn't prevent LE from putting it out there anyway.

 

[ncwsleuth]

No, it could not have been buried vertically in a hole since LE in initial reports described her as being in a "shallow" grave or words to that effect.
Also, although I did not follow the Savannah Spurlock case I found this from Oxygen.com where LE is quoted as describing the "unnatural position" her body was found in. It was folded in half; I have no idea what LE meant in describing PH's burial position. It is quite macabre to even have to type this, but we've all asked every other question; what's one more at this point?
Savannah Spurlock's Naked Body Was Found In 19-Inch Grave, Her Body Folded In Half, Her Hands And Feet Bound By Tape

 

[ncwsleuth]

Thanks for the info. I found some info about unnatural death positions and how it relates to rigor mortis and can help indicate if and when a body has been moved.
EvidenceProf Blog: Rigor Mortis & What it Might be Able to Tell Us About When a Body Was Moved After Death

 

[margarita25]

I don't agree. I can't count the number of times I've heard news reports saying, for example, "The suspect is described as a black male in his 30s, around 5'7" and 160 pounds."

The fact that that description could apply to scores of men doesn't prevent LE from putting it out there anyway.

My point here is that we don’t know that they have anything other than supposedly “black”and “heavy set”. There may be no age, height or weight description, etc. as in your example above, so it doesn’t compare. I do get your point and you’re right that a common description doesn’t prevent LE from putting out a description, but as for now it seems all there is is “black”and “heavy set”. That is not enough for a BOLO, I don’t think. The example you have mentioning age, height and weight is not relevant because no such information has been given here.

I’ll think about this more though.

On a lighter note, which goes along with what we’re talking about, check this out. This sketch actually led to an arrest:

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[Zella]

I don't agree. I can't count the number of times I've heard news reports saying, for example, "The suspect is described as a black male in his 30s, around 5'7" and 160 pounds."

The fact that that description could apply to scores of men doesn't prevent LE from putting it out there anyway.

That's still a lot more description to work with than "heavy set" and "black." When they say heavy set, do they mean short and obese, tall and obese, short and very stocky, tall and very stocky? Height in relation to weight? Approximate age? Etc.