GUILTY AL - Savannah Hardin, 9, forced to run til she died, Etowah Co., 17 Feb 2012

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Yet she raised a son to adulthood without killing him. It will all depend on how long Savannah had been living with her, how much she knew of her medical condition (which she seemed to know she couldn't eat any candy). I agree, the KC jury sent me in 'justice shock'. How a 'system' is supposed to work and yet doesn't. :maddening:

IMO none of that stuff matters.

It does not matter that she raised a son without killing him. She killed her granddaughter.
It doesn't matter how long Savannah lived with her or how much she knew about her medical condition. Her actions killed Savannah.

I really don't think a verdict will depend on those things.

JMO
 
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'Spare the rod and spoil the child' is a scipture that I am very familiar with and that seems to continue to be the climate for raising children in AL. I agree with your concern about 'too much doubt on gma's intent'.
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Proverbs was written by Solomon. Nowhere else in the scriptures is this written or even hinted. Solomon also betrayed God and worshiped idols, one in particular (even built a shrine to), Molech, who sacrificed children. Solomon's own children grew up to express behavior sadly and horrifically reflecting what we've come to see when children are abused. For all his beatings in order to know the Lord, Solomon's son, Rehoboam "did evil because he prepared not his heart to seek the Lord" (II Chronicles 12:9,14).

Proverbs also says: "A rod for the fool's back" (Proverbs 26:3).
Those in favor of corporal punishment conveniently forget this Proverb, understandably so.

Jesus warned, "It were better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should offend one of these little ones" (Luke 17:2).

While Jesus didn't advocate throwing child abusers into the sea with millstones around their neck. He just says it would be better for them if it happened.

There are some who will cite Proverbs as an excuse to beat and "run" their precious children to death. But they feign ignorance on the subject of millstones.

It infuriates me when ignorant, and that is what they are, ignorant, people selectively quote scriptures from the Bible to fit their heinous behavior.

What would Jesus do? He'd bend beside this beautiful gift his Father gave an ungrateful family, and he'd cry - he loves children for their love of life, wonder, innocence, and unaffected grace.

I think he'd recommend a slate of cement be thrown around grandma's neck and that she be thrown into the sea. I mean, she wants to adhere to the scriptures, get a rope.
 
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I think so, but I see a couple of problems. First is that we're dealing with a little old lady (so to speak) and that I think they'd have to prove intent. I'm not sure a jury will buy the notion that a little old lady meant to kill the child. I think they'd see it as a woman who didn't know any better and just went too far.

All it would take is one juror to feel enough sympathy to keep her from the death penalty. If that's the only option I could see her walk. I don't know how old she is but 25 years would probably have her dying in prison.

Since the KC judgment I'm leery of over reaching on punishments.

So am I, Steely. And IMO the prosecution surely did over reach on the charges against Ms Anfony. If they had left out the felony charges then she would prolly be in jail right now.

However, this case is different. The reason Ms. Garrard is charged with felony murder because Savannah's death occurred during another felony,...... Child Abuse.

http://www.abc4.com/content/news/na...rls-running-death/aSz0KSpOVEykIUHbzVe38w.cspx

And.....
There are neighbors who witnessed Savannah running that day, there is her little friend who's mom stated on Dr. Drew that her daughter 'felt sorry for Savannah because they made her run and carry sticks as punishment'. (apparantly this punishment had occured prior to Savannah's death.) Then there's the video from the school bus where she declares "I'm gonna run her til she can't run no more". (paraphrased)

Ignorance and stupidity is not an excuse for causing a death...... many convicted murderers are ignorant, stupid, uneducated, etc. Some of those 'didn't know any better'. Couey 'didn't know any better' when he killed Jessica L. His attys gave him crayons for doodling during the trial.

Don't diss the potential jury pool in AL. It is a christian conservative state and many folks are pro DP. Here is a link to comments on FOX8's FB page...

https://www.facebook.com/fox8news/posts/312381315491118

BTW, has anyone googled this woman, Joyce Garrard? I have googled her and learned that she has several alias'. Most of the sites for Public records are pay sites and I can't afford it because I have bills to pay. Any ideas? I bet ya a cuppa coffee that this woman has priors! TIA:)

MOO

wm
 
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Proverbs was written by Solomon. Nowhere else in the scriptures is this written or even hinted. Solomon also betrayed God and worshiped idols, one in particular (even built a shrine to), Molech, who sacrificed children. Solomon's own children grew up to express behavior sadly and horrifically reflecting what we've come to see when children are abused. For all his beatings in order to know the Lord, Solomon's son, Rehoboam "did evil because he prepared not his heart to seek the Lord" (II Chronicles 12:9,14).

Proverbs also says: "A rod for the fool's back" (Proverbs 26:3).
Those in favor of corporal punishment conveniently forget this Proverb, understandably so.

Jesus warned, "It were better for him if a millstone were hanged around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should offend one of these little ones" (Luke 17:2).

While Jesus didn't advocate throwing child abusers into the sea with millstones around their neck. He just says it would be better for them if it happened.

There are some who will cite Proverbs as an excuse to beat and "run" their precious children to death. But they feign ignorance on the subject of millstones.

It infuriates me when ignorant, and that is what they are, ignorant, people selectively quote scriptures from the Bible to fit their heinous behavior.

What would Jesus do? He'd bend beside this beautiful gift his Father gave an ungrateful family, and he'd cry - he loves children for their love of life, wonder, innocence, and unaffected grace.

I think he'd recommend a slate of cement be thrown around grandma's neck and that she be thrown into the sea. I mean, she wants to adhere to the scriptures, get a rope.

Thank you so much, vlpate! What a beautifui and truthful post!

wm
 
  • #225
IMO none of that stuff matters.

It does not matter that she raised a son without killing him. She killed her granddaughter.
It doesn't matter how long Savannah lived with her or how much she knew about her medical condition. Her actions killed Savannah.

I really don't think a verdict will depend on those things.

JMO

We are going to disagree on this. It will matter...to the jury. Her relationship with her granddaughter, who the primary care giver was suppose to be while her son was overseas...why wasn't the step mom the one to get on the bus and talk to the driver, why did grandma take it upon herself. Who was SH living with, her step mom or her grandmother or were they both living with her? If grandma knew, to the full extent, of SH's medical issues and what SH was allowed to do and not allowed to do. Don't shoot the messenger...:truce: am only playing devil's advocate here. All this will matter at trial when the DP is on the table.
 
  • #226
I am still googling and found this.

http://www.wsfx.com/story/17051512/account-of-how-family-members-reacted-to-9-year-old-run-to-death

A woman who asked to keep her identity concealed said she watched and listened to what family members were saying and doing inside the hospital.

She said she was in the ICU at Children's Hospital in Birmingham with her child. She said she was sitting across from Savannah Hardin's bed. She says she watched Savannah's grandmother Joyce Garrard and mother Jessica Hardin in the hospital. Their emotions, or lack there-of caught her attention.

"They went in and went out. They didn't come back there and sit for hours with the child when they could. If that were had that been my child I would have been with her every moment," she said.

She didn't know at the time that both Garrard and Hardin would later be charged with Savannah's murder. She said the grandmother's story given at the hospital left out the part about making the nine-year-old run as punishment for eating candy.

"She said they were picking up sticks around the house and she just had a seizure and fell over. No remorse. I never saw her cry, get upset, or shed a tear."

The woman say Savannah's stepmother, Jessica Hardin, didn't stay in the room long.

"Nobody was with her. She was just lying over there by herself. They all wanted to go out and smoke a cigarette, that's what they did more than anything."
 
  • #227
We are going to disagree on this. It will matter...to the jury. Her relationship with her granddaughter, who the primary care giver was suppose to be while her son was overseas...why wasn't the step mom the one to get on the bus and talk to the driver, why did grandma take it upon herself. Who was SH living with, her step mom or her grandmother or were they both living with her? If grandma knew, to the full extent, of SH's medical issues and what SH was allowed to do and not allowed to do. Don't shoot the messenger...:truce: am only playing devil's advocate here. All this will matter at trial when the DP is on the table.

That's fine. It's not the first time someone has disagreed with me.
:smile:
 
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The next court proceedings will take place this summer. Both women entered the expected Not Guilty pleas
 
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If she was asleep or on the phone or something while it was happening, I think it would be hard to convince a jury she should be executed, or sent away for life.
I really hope they don't downgrade the charges againt the grandmonster, though.
 
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GADSDEN, Ala. &#8212; Relatives and friends of the grandmother and stepmother charged with running a 9-year-old girl to death as a punishment have been defending and attacking the women on Facebook and in at least one case nearly divulging what could be considered evidence.

A judge has warned prosecutors and defense lawyers not to discuss the murder case, and so far they have obeyed. But experts say the hundreds of messages posted online since Savannah Hardin died in February show the legal system has yet to catch up with the social media explosion. They say it highlights the difficulty of making sure witnesses and jurors aren't swayed by outside influences.

Most posts are fairly innocuous, either supporting the women or honoring Savannah's memory. Others get to the heart of the case, including a few discussing how the child died. Many high-profile cases are discussed by thousands or even millions of people online, though in most cases those people aren't directly connected to the case. For instance, the Casey Anthony and Trayvon Martin cases generated immense worldwide attention on Facebook and Twitter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/06/savannah-hardins-death-an_n_1489979.html
 
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http://www.newsaegis.com/news/x941534695/Hardin-Bill-to-help-children

Hardin Bill to Help Children

This takes the reporting law that Alabama has in place now a step farther. Section 26-14-3. Mandatory reporting states that: All hospitals, clinics, sanitariums, doctors, physicians, surgeons, medical examiners, coroners, dentists, osteopaths, optometrists, chiropractors, podiatrists, nurses, school teachers and officials, peace officers, law enforcement officials, pharmacists, social workers, day care workers or employees, mental health professionals, members of the clergy as defined in Rule 505 of the Alabama Rules of Evidence, or any other person called upon to render aid or medical assistance to any child, when the child is known or suspected to be a victim of child abuse or neglect, shall be required to report or cause a report to be made of the same, orally, either by telephone or direct communication immediately, followed by a written report, to a duly constituted authority.
 

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