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Penny_Lane said:
I stumbled across this girl and noticed the photographer mentioned. I am new here so forgive me if this is posted in the wrong place. Just reminded me of Alcala using the photography as a lure...possibly. Just wanted to see what everyone else thought.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/827dfca.html

Also I haven't done alot of research on Alcala or this missing person just thought there might be a connection. Thank You!
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Yes it sounds just like his MO, we've discussed her earlier, but found out later that Alcala was in jail between October 14, 1974 and not released until June 17 1977. Lynn went missing in 76. Sounds like Alcala wasn't the only one using this photography muse. :(
 
http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-alcala-murders-pg,0,178235.photogallery


Looking at the photos released from NYPD, these are the ones I see as new. As far as I can tell, there are no new people in them, however, some do show other background persons, such as the Five Spot Club pictures show a couple of men. Also, some of the pictures show more of the backgrounds than we have seen. Here are the ones I thought were significant:
Girl with Peach Blouse at table, picture #23,133, 84.
Brunette with Headphones on #27, 32.
Girl with Turban on #34, (looks drugged here to me) &72
Five Spot Club girls, #42, appears to be a curly haired man in here, and #95 another man appears, 148 & 157
Young man with long dark hair: #66, & 87.
Girl with Crocheted Orange Bikini: #75
Frizzy Haired Girl #81 (she has a tambourine in this picure)
Girl with Herringbone Jumper #99, I think that's a new one, I don't remember seeing her earrings that well.
Desert Girl Picture #100, 193
Long Red Haired #107, shows more of the room
Bare midriff girl by window #114
Blonde girl with Bangs and strange eye #136
Young boy on bike #150 and 162, shows his teeth, and some are missing.
Long haired girl in white sweater 155
Yellow shorts girl, 171, sticking out her tongue

Here's the scariest ones to me, I guess just because there's so many. Young short-haired blonde girl: 112, 118, 130, 134, 142, 152, 164, & 173.


Maybe housekeeping or someone better at it than I am, can put these pictures where they belong. :)
 
Billylee said:
Yes it sounds just like his MO, we've discussed her earlier, but found out later that Alcala was in jail between October 14, 1974 and not released until June 17 1977. Lynn went missing in 76. Sounds like Alcala wasn't the only one using this photography muse. :(
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Thanks Billylee! I thought i had read somewhere in the thread that he was possibly in jail at the time. Just hated not to post it if it were a possible.
 
Donjeta - Please ignore my questions about the "new" additional pictures...I see that the NYPD re-released old and some new photos today. How obvious is it that the different LE jurisdictions are NOT working together. The NYPD released SOME photos that hadn't been previously released as well as several of women who have already been identified. Talk about disorganized and confusing. Downright silly. And what a terrible site! It takes forever and a day to download anything there. Do these people understand the internet???
 
I am trying to find a thread but can't remember the names of the girls thought to look like the picture and none of the thread titles seem to click with my memory. It isn't the "two girls with bikes".

The image contained two girls and many were comparing it to two girls that were last seen at Little Britches cowboy ranch or something like that. If I recall correctly only one girl was easily seen and her friend was hard to see. I found some other images of her friend and would like to post in the correct thread. Thank you!
 
Pink Panther said:
Donjeta - Please ignore my questions about the "new" additional pictures...I see that the NYPD re-released old and some new photos today. How obvious is it that the different LE jurisdictions are NOT working together. The NYPD released SOME photos that hadn't been previously released as well as several of women who have already been identified. Talk about disorganized and confusing. Downright silly. And what a terrible site! It takes forever and a day to download anything there. Do these people understand the internet???
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They're not even reading the news... Come on, NYPD, send the office errand boy to the newsstand and buy the People magazine, it might save you some time trying to ID the ones who are already ID'd.
 
Kimster said:
Two women came forward Wednesday to share what they say were chilling encounters with a serial killer after cops released a trove of photos he may have taken in New York.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...suaded_her_to_pose_for_him.html#ixzz0lqaYxCPL

I've been buried in Haleigh's forum lately. Please let BeanE know which threads need to be moved to the Found area. :blowkiss:
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Am I missing something, have we NOT seen this picture before?? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_...ial_killer_persuaded_her_to_pose_for_him.html
 
no, Billylee, you're not missing it. It is definitely a new shot, and a totally new face.

I also found mention in the article that Alcala was in the East Village in 1968, and also in the Upper East Side in 1978. That is something to know. But no idea how long he was there, or when during the year he was there...just those dates.

Best-
Herding Cats
 
Herding Cats said:
no, Billylee, you're not missing it. It is definitely a new shot, and a totally new face.

I also found mention in the article that Alcala was in the East Village in 1968, and also in the Upper East Side in 1978. That is something to know. But no idea how long he was there, or when during the year he was there...just those dates.

Best-
Herding Cats
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How ODD that they hadn't released that in the batch we've seen. Wonder where SHE saw it? We've gotta be missing a picture source somewhere. NYPD? That's good info on his location, maybe you can just post a quick note in the timeline thread for that.
 
I know nothing about photography and have a question I hope a camera person can answer. Can you tell if pictures were taken from different cameras and different quality cameras? There are pictures that look very polished and profession, portraits, and then there are poor quality photos, blurry, etc that look like they would only be interesting to Alcala (as a memento?) such as the girl walking around with ashtray, the girl in yellow bikini dancing, and the girls with headphones listening to music. I'm trying to narrow down for myself the ones that are more likely to be victims than others before spending a lot of time on them.
 
Cupcakeslayer said:
is it possible the B&W is from her personal stash. Photo 169 from what site...
Puzzling. She has a farmiliar look to her...
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:waitasec: You don't think they'd put an old picture next to her current picture that wasn't even Alcala's do you? Her eyes resemble the girl with the bare midriff.
 
Redbird said:
I know nothing about photography and have a question I hope a camera person can answer. Can you tell if pictures were taken from different cameras and different quality cameras? There are pictures that look very polished and profession, portraits, and then there are poor quality photos, blurry, etc that look like they would only be interesting to Alcala (as a memento?) such as the girl walking around with ashtray, the girl in yellow bikini dancing, and the girls with headphones listening to music. I'm trying to narrow down for myself the ones that are more likely to be victims than others before spending a lot of time on them.
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Redbird, I am not a photographer, but worked for one for several years. I think what you're asking is say the picture of the girl just prancing about in her undies versus the headshot this Judy Cole is in?

Most likely a professional would possibly be able to tell you what type of camera/film is used. However, there's a huge difference between a "picture" and a "portrait". Example being what I am seein of Judy Cole is more a pro headshot. Those are usually processed as glossy and people use them with their resume on the back, name on bottom front for modeling jobs, singing, theater and such.

Does that make sense? Again I am no photographer, but this guy was a lousey photographer. The pictures we see like the girl walking around in her panties that would be more a "candid" like think a wedding. You have "posed" bride and groom" shots and then you have people dancing around. They get included in your package, BUt you are less likely to put those into your album.

As far as weeding out who could be victims? I'd say he had so many photographs he just stashed each and every one of them. You could have a professional headshot (although Judy Cole is the first I saw) or just a candid. Either way to him it probably all held the same effect for. maybe?

I wonder how he had these pictures printed. We always used the same printer. Then you'd get your negative back with the print. You'd number the print to the negative so when people ordered prints in various sizes you just sent the neg back to the printer. It's all different now.

Also, most of the photographers that do headshots.......that's usually all they do. It's specific. You want only the person's face in it. Head and shoulders it's called. Or was. No hands. No hats. No huge hair doodads. It's usually made to look very natural.

So that probably just confused you more, but Judy Cole perhaps just got off easy. If HE did that photo with her hands above her head I'll eat my hat and say the guy was way better than what we've been seeing.
 
Redbird said:
I know nothing about photography and have a question I hope a camera person can answer. Can you tell if pictures were taken from different cameras and different quality cameras? There are pictures that look very polished and profession, portraits, and then there are poor quality photos, blurry, etc that look like they would only be interesting to Alcala (as a memento?) such as the girl walking around with ashtray, the girl in yellow bikini dancing, and the girls with headphones listening to music. I'm trying to narrow down for myself the ones that are more likely to be victims than others before spending a lot of time on them.
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I grouped the photos according to type in my personal file and noticed that the same shape ones with a black or white outline tend to look more innocent than some of the others to me. They depict mostly people who are dressed and look alert and sober, they may have been photographed in a public place, and he's taken some trouble to get a good shot with some aesthetic value (the clutter in the background is minimized, the person is in focus, he's thought about the posing and the position of the person in the photo.

I would probably worry more about the ones who have been photographed in his apartment or doing weird nude poses in the foliage. There may be blurry unfocused shots as if the quality of the photographs wasnt the most important thing in the photographer's mind, and the models sometimes look
stoned or drunk.
 
That's what I am trying to say. The "candid" shots are the most disturbing. Some seem voyeuristic and I think those are the people to worry about. But it has also occurred to me that since they don't seem to have identified any missing people or unsolved murders with these pictures by now, it could be that if there were more victims he may have destroyed their pictures or stashed them someplace else and this is all a waste of time.
 
Cupcakeslayer said:
is it possible the B&W is from her personal stash. Photo 169 from what site...
Puzzling. She has a farmiliar look to her...
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The HBPD site has numbered photos, I just went through them (HOLY COW IS THAT SLOW!), 169 is not one of them that's shown. The new site listed here: http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-alcala-murders-pg,0,178235.photogallery Photo #169 is the Leopard Collar girl, which looks nothing like the girl in the newspaper article. Very, very weird, where did that picture come from and where did she see it?
 
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