Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Deleted member 39678]

Brandon Lee did not shoot himself. Read the link I provided. And it was a bullet fragment.

Quote: "Lee, who was the son of martial artist Bruce Lee, died after his co-star, actor Michael Massee, fired at him with a prop gun during filming on March 30, 1993, in Wilmington, North Carolina. Although the revolver was loaded with blanks, the gunpowder in the blank cartridge ignited, leading Massee to unknowingly fire a bullet fragment at Lee, who later died in surgery."

I apologize. I was think of another actor who shot himself with a blank.

 

[clearskies1]

I believe that AB made this statement from his long experience of using guns on a film set. It's total reckless to point a live firing gun at a person and pull the trigger.

He makes it clear that it's a very bad thing to do by saying "No,no,no,no,no" several times to emphasize the importance of it. This statement will come back to haunt him in my opinion.

JMO.

Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'

Yes, the prosecutor will play that part of the interview many times during the trial. Such a very bad idea to do that interview. JMO.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I believe that AB made this statement from his long experience of using guns on a film set. It's total reckless to point a live firing gun at a person and pull the trigger.

He makes it clear that it's a very bad thing to do by saying "No,no,no,no,no" several times to emphasize the importance of it. This statement will come back to haunt him in my opinion.

JMO.

Alec Baldwin on 'Rust' shooting: 'Someone is responsible ... but I know it's not me'

A live firing gun should NEVER have been on the movie set.

Yet it was.
And everyone involved with Rust will be haunted by that fact.

Especially the family of Halyna.

 

[clearskies1]

Striving for Authenticity, Films Often Use Real Guns on Set (Published 2021)

Safety protocols for firearms on set are well established and straight forward, and injuries of any kind are rare.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes, the prosecutor will play that part of the interview many times during the trial. Such a very bad idea to do that interview. JMO.

AB firmly states that he knows that pointing a gun at a person on set and pulling the trigger is a very dangerous thing to do and should never take place.

The prosecutors have solid evidence that AB did pull the trigger via the FBI gun report. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

A live firing gun should NEVER have been on the movie set.

Yet it was.
And everyone involved with Rust will be haunted by that fact.

Especially the family of Halyna.

Hindsight is great but using real guns on set can be safe if the people handling them follow all safety protocols. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

A live firing gun should NEVER have been on the movie set.

Yet it was.
And everyone involved with Rust will be haunted by that fact.

Especially the family of Halyna.

It's a practice that needs to end, JMO. Special effects today are advanced enough that it seems unnecessary.

 

[Betty P]

I apologize. I was think of another actor who shot himself with a blank.

Was that Jon Erik Hexum? Playing around with the gun. It was the blank that killed him.

Jon-Erik Hexum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[clearskies1]

It's a practice that needs to end, JMO. Special effects today are advanced enough that it seems unnecessary.

Agree.

BBM:

"Often, however, productions use real guns.

Studios prefer to digitally create the actual firing in postproduction whenever possible. Sometimes it is not. Even in a filmmaking age where visual-effects artists use computers to convincingly create disintegrating cities, it can be difficult to replicate the weight and recoil of a real gun, studio executives say. Some actors have a hard time faking it.
Depending on the complexity of the scene, effects wizardry is also expensive, Mr. Leonard noted, and independently financed movies like “Rust,” the film that Mr. Baldwin was making in New Mexico, operate on shoestring budgets."

Striving for Authenticity, Films Often Use Real Guns on Set (Published 2021)

Safety protocols for firearms on set are well established and straight forward, and injuries of any kind are rare.

www.nytimes.com

 

[minazoe]

lets have the armourer come in and admit she put a live round in the gun or allowed someone on the set to use that gun with live ammo, and for her to also admit wether the live rounds belonged to her or to some other person on that set,

no one wants to talk, so Mr. Baldwin is going to be held criminally responsible. For me this is not the justice system I have been proud of all my life.. and the FBI testing of the gun? what of it? it just makes the origin of the bullet more important.

for instance lets say he did accidentally fire the gun and doesn't remember and everything was so fast...ok..could happen in the heat of demonstrating the shot they want to get..ok still, it's accidental..now...how did that bullet come to be there?

I'm just asking..mOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

lets have the armourer come in and admit she put a live round in the gun or allowed someone on the set to use that gun with live ammo, and for her to also admit wether the live rounds belonged to her or to some other person on that set,

no one wants to talk, so Mr. Baldwin is going to be held criminally responsible. For me this is not the justice system I have been proud of all my life.. and the FBI testing of the gun? what of it? it just makes the origin of the bullet more important.

for instance lets say he did accidentally fire the gun and doesn't remember and everything was so fast...ok..could happen in the heat of demonstrating the shot they want to get..ok still, it's accidental..now...how did that bullet come to be there?

I'm just asking..mOO

AB has already stated his exact actions up to and including the shooting. It's too late for him to backtrack and say he doesn't remember. JMO.

 

[minazoe]

so instead of getting to the source and all of the facts surrounding this death, they have moved forward and charged
Alec...it's moved from blame game to lame game. I feel so bad for him and his family. mOO

 

[minazoe]

AB has already stated his exact actions up to and including the shooting. It's too late for him to backtrack and say he doesn't remember. JMO.

I was only being hypothetical, I don't think he should say anything further about anything.mOO

 

[Betty P]

lets have the armourer come in and admit she put a live round in the gun or allowed someone on the set to use that gun with live ammo, and for her to also admit wether the live rounds belonged to her or to some other person on that set,

no one wants to talk, so Mr. Baldwin is going to be held criminally responsible. For me this is not the justice system I have been proud of all my life.. and the FBI testing of the gun? what of it? it just makes the origin of the bullet more important.

for instance lets say he did accidentally fire the gun and doesn't remember and everything was so fast...ok..could happen in the heat of demonstrating the shot they want to get..ok still, it's accidental..now...how did that bullet come to be there?

I'm just asking..mOO

It's very problematic, JMO, that no one has followed through on investigating where the live rounds came from and how they got on the set. That seems to have been swept under the rug, so to speak.

That seems to be the most important part of the crime. Those questions need to be answered before any trials take place.

 

[clearskies1]

lets have the armourer come in and admit she put a live round in the gun or allowed someone on the set to use that gun with live ammo, and for her to also admit wether the live rounds belonged to her or to some other person on that set,

no one wants to talk, so Mr. Baldwin is going to be held criminally responsible. For me this is not the justice system I have been proud of all my life.. and the FBI testing of the gun? what of it? it just makes the origin of the bullet more important.

for instance lets say he did accidentally fire the gun and doesn't remember and everything was so fast...ok..could happen in the heat of demonstrating the shot they want to get..ok still, it's accidental..now...how did that bullet come to be there?

I'm just asking..mOO

They have charged the armorer as well. Both she and AB are charged under the same theories -- that they acted negligently or without due care. JMO.

 

[minazoe]

It's very problematic, JMO, that no one has followed through on investigating where the live rounds came from and how they got on the set. That seems to have been swept under the rug, so to speak.

That seems to be the most important part of the crime.

yes! and for me if they say it's unimportant..then they have no crime. nothing. mOO

 

[minazoe]

They have charged the armorer as well. Both she and AB are charged under the same theories -- that they acted negligently or without due care. JMO.

it's not true though, Alec did nothing wrong and was not negligent..there is no protocol for the actor. mOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's very problematic, JMO, that no one has followed through on investigating where the live rounds came from and how they got on the set. That seems to have been swept under the rug, so to speak.

That seems to be the most important part of the crime. Those questions need to be answered before any trials take place.

That could be a weak point in the case against HGR. The prosecutors need to show the jury where the live rounds came from and how one of them got into the gun. JMO.

 

[Betty P]

yes! and for me if they say it's unimportant..then they have no crime. nothing. mOO

If the state won't try to investigate that important evidence, perhaps AB's defense team will do it for them. It really shouldn't be very difficult to determine. Interview some people, look at the evidence, etc.

 

[clearskies1]

It's very problematic, JMO, that no one has followed through on investigating where the live rounds came from and how they got on the set. That seems to have been swept under the rug, so to speak.

That seems to be the most important part of the crime. Those questions need to be answered before any trials take place.

Maybe they have investigated -- could that be part of the reason why the armorer was charged? I don't know. JMO.