Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[mickey2942]

Wasn't Halls the one who handed him the gun and told him it had no live rounds in it? Apparently he didn't check the gun, either. No wonder he made a plea deal.

Of course he did, because AB's defense is going to put the blame on Halls and HG. The problem AB has, is that he specifically stated that he NEVER pulled the trigger. The gun "just went off". I see that as a problem. But, if the FBI messed up the gun during testing, that is a potential problem for the prosecution.

I know this much, if I was an actor, I would want to be sure to follow rules and procedures on gun handling. Or not handle guns at all.

 

[Betty P]

The Santa Fe district attorney, Mary Carmack-Altwies, announced the charges and plea deal on Thursday in a statement and on social media, without public appearances by prosecutors. Carmack-Altwies said the charges against both Baldwin and Gutierrez Reed had not yet been filed on Thursday but would be before the end of January.

“On my watch, no one is above the law, and everyone deserves justice,” Carmack-Altwies’s statement said. A statement attributed to the prosecutor Carmack-Altwies appointed to the case, Andrea Reeb, added: “If any of these three people – Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed or David Halls – had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today.”

An attorney for Hutchins’s husband, Matt Hutchins, issued a separate statement thanking Carmack-Altwies and calling the charges her office plans to pursue “a comfort”.

“We … fervently hope the justice system works to protect the public and hold accountable those who break the law,” said the statement attributed to attorney Brian Panish.

Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in fatal shooting on Rust film set

Film’s armorer overseeing weapons, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, will also be charged with involuntary manslaughter in 2021 shooting

www.theguardian.com

Looks like NM just lost business with the movie making industry. No actor is going to want to make a movie there if it involves staged shooting or similar risky filming if it means actors can be criminally charged for accidents on set. There are a lot of other states and countries that compete for that business.

 

[Ceska]

So a lot of talk about AB.... but what about the armorer? The gun was her responsibility. Thoughts on the amorer? HG-R (the armorer) is the person who armed the gun.

 

[clearskies1]

Looks like NM just lost business with the movie making industry. No actor is going to want to make a movie there if it involves staged shooting or similar risky filming if it means actors can be criminally charged for accidents on set. There are a lot of other states and countries that compete for that business.

I disagree. From what I read, some of the production crew walked off because of alleged unsafe conditions the very morning that the killing took place. I don't think any state is going to let something go if they think it's a crime. JMO.

 

[clearskies1]

So a lot of talk about AB.... but what about the armorer? The gun was her responsibility. Thoughts on the amorer? HG-R (the armorer) is the person who armed the gun.

I need to hear the evidence. What I read has been conflicting so far. JMO.

 

[ColyH]

I see the defense poking holes as well. I too am NOT a fan of AB at all. But, this isn't like a home shooting where a live gun and a live round exist and were inadvertently shot. This is a movie set where the actors think of these guns as "play" guns. They don't treat them as a real gun - which may not be right either! This is the movie industry. They play make-believe every day! However, he was handed a gun that he was told could NOT harm anyone. I think David Hall held more responsibility. I wonder if the DA is trying to appease the public. I do hope that Hollywood is listening and takes some action to change their policies regarding gun usage in movies!

I have wondered if there were any recorded moments of this day.

There were no video taken but there were some photos.

 

[Betty P]

Of course he did, because AB's defense is going to put the blame on Halls and HG. The problem AB has, is that he specifically stated that he NEVER pulled the trigger. The gun "just went off". I see that as a problem. But, if the FBI messed up the gun during testing, that is a potential problem for the prosecution.

I know this much, if I was an actor, I would want to be sure to follow rules and procedures on gun handling. Or not handle guns at all.

According to the rules on set, Halls and HG share in the blame. They failed to do their jobs and someone was killed as a result. I don't know about what AB said, I'll have to look it up.

https://www.iatselocal52.org/Applications/PropArmorerJD.pdf

Weapons master - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just reading this quote, it seems the state will have a difficult time convicting AB, jmo

Prosecutors said they would charge Mr. Baldwin with two counts of involuntary manslaughter, saying that he had a duty to ensure the gun and the ammunition were properly checked and that he should never have pointed it at anyone. “You should not point a gun at someone that you’re not willing to shoot,” the district attorney for Santa Fe County, Mary Carmack-Altwies, said in an interview. “That goes to basic safety standards.”

Alec Baldwin Will Be Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Killing

A gun that Mr. Baldwin was rehearsing with went off, killing the film’s cinematographer. The armorer responsible for weapons on set also faces manslaughter charges.

www.nytimes.com

 

[cocomod]

So a lot of talk about AB.... but what about the armorer? The gun was her responsibility. Thoughts on the amorer? HG-R (the armorer) is the person who armed the gun.

She is also being charged, but I think her defense is less easy. IMVHO, she is the one that was the most negligent on set. She let that gun leave her without checking it for safety and was not on set while it was being used.

 

[ilovewings]

She is also being charged, but I think her defense is less easy. IMVHO, she is the one that was the most negligent on set. She let that gun leave her without checking it for safety and was not on set while it was being used.

When this horrible incident occurred I did not think he would or should be charged. I felt, and still feel he should have been able to rely on the Armorer (sp) to have a gun ready for him that was safe to shoot, ie -without live bullets. I do not like Alec Baldwin so I had to put my feelings aside to come to that conclusion. I believe she has much more liability for the tragedy than he does. Too bad that he said he didn't pull the trigger. That is absurd on its face.

 

[cocomod]

When this horrible incident occurred I did not think he would or should be charged. I felt, and still feel he should have been able to rely on the Armorer (sp) to have a gun ready for him that was safe to shoot, ie -without live bullets. I do not like Alec Baldwin so I had to put my feelings aside to come to that conclusion. I believe she has much more liability for the tragedy than he does. Too bad that he said he didn't pull the trigger. That is absurd on its face.

True! It is absurd. However, didn't we hear that there were other misfirings previously on this set? Didn't we hear that the gun was not working properly? I can't remember for certain.

 

[DrQ]

IMHO This is a terrible situation. AB seems to be one of three being held accountable for this incident. AB is an interesting individual who has had numerous reactions to multiple situations. It will be interesting to watch how this situation plays out for him. I am not an actress (thank goodness!) and have never worked on a movie set. However, one would expect a certain level of oversight and management of potentially dangerous props or set items. Allegedly, steps were taken but even with multiple individuals layered in the process, a terrible and tragic incident occurred and Halyna Hutchins lost her life.
Rarely do you see a positive outcome with a situation like this. RIP HH

 

[ilovewings]

True! It is absurd. However, didn't we hear that there were other misfirings previously on this set? Didn't we hear that the gun was not working properly? I can't remember for certain.

I can't recall either whether the gun was working properly- AB stating he didn't pull the trigger really takes away from his credibility--- if he goes to trial and uses that as a defense, it will not serve him well. Maybe he will take a plea- we shall see.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

So a lot of talk about AB.... but what about the armorer? The gun was her responsibility. Thoughts on the amorer? HG-R (the armorer) is the person who armed the gun.

I think she carries most of the burden for what happened. I don’t think I’ve heard any controversy about that. I think she’ll end up being sentenced and Alec will plead guilty to a lesser charge, imo.

 

[BeachSky]

I’m confused if AB faces 1 year or 5 years.
Puzzled that there are no criminal charges regarding that same bullet hitting Joel Souza.

MOO

 

[BeachSky]

She is also being charged, but I think her defense is less easy. IMVHO, she is the one that was the most negligent on set. She let that gun leave her without checking it for safety and was not on set while it was being used.

She presents like a hot mess IMO

 

[Mo Thuairim]

I'm surprised that SK has not been charged. Initially they said they were considering charging 4 people, I assumed he was the 4th but we don't know.

IMO

Yes, I thought the fourth person they were considering charging could be SK as the armourer mentor and apparent supplier of the ammunition, or else the propmaster SZ. It will be interesting to see all the evidence laid out by the prosecution. That set sounded like chaos.

 

[clearskies1]

I’m confused if AB faces 1 year or 5 years.
Puzzled that there are no criminal charges regarding that same bullet hitting Joel Souza.

MOO

"No charges will be filed for the wounding of Souza. District attorney spokesperson Heather Brewer explained that there is no statute in New Mexico for unintentional battery, unless the shooting leads to death." Alec Baldwin Will Be Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting

AB has been charged with 2 alternative charges/theories of involuntary manslaughter. Under the first charge he can get up to 18 months. But if he is instead convicted under the alternate charge he will get 5 years. How much jail time could Alec Baldwin face for involuntary manslaughter?.

 

[PrairieWind]

I disagree. From what I read, some of the production crew walked off because of alleged unsafe conditions the very morning that the killing took place. I don't think any state is going to let something go if they think it's a crime. JMO.

I think you misunderstand the dynamic going on there.

 

[10ofRods]

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Personally, if I was AB, quick plea deal, move on....but, he will probably tantrum, and want a trial.

Of course - just like Dave Hall did. But nope, Alec can't ever admit he's wrong. He truly believes he's in the right here. What a nightmare client for his attorneys.

Do you think he would fare better with a Santa Fe jury trial? Seriously interested.

I don't think so. I believe the people have Santa Fe think they have their own problems and do not want or need to spend money on actors and their criminal shenanigans. Alec is likely viewed as a big spending and pompous, He's draining their local LE coffers (and has done so for over a year).

There will be no warm sympathy or fandom for Alec in Santa Fe (a county of only 150,000 independently minded people - having lived in the area for a while, I don't think I've ever met as many independent minded, common sensical people with such diverse views and lifestyle - but they are all going to come together as Santa Fe vs Alec Baldwin).

IMO.

Oh, frabjous day! I really want justice for Halyna Hutchins and her family.

If there is documentation that he was supposed to follow a specific protocol or procedure when handling a gun, and he didn't, that is liability right there.

That could be civil liability, not criminal.

He has already admitted that liability in his settlement with the Hutchins family. IMO.

 

[clearskies1]

I think you misunderstand the dynamic going on there.

Please let me know what you think I'm misunderstanding.