Alec Baldwin

[michelle]

He was abusive to Kim in public many times. His temper is downright scary!

He reminds me of OJ.

 

[PaperDoll]

He reminds me of OJ.

is right.. OJ is worse IMO..

 

[michelle]

is right.. OJ is worse IMO..

You got that right, he is something else.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I can't believe I've heard so many people turn this into blaming both parents for this!!! The bottom line is he blew up and said horrible things to his 11 or 12 yr old daughter. HE DID IT regardless of how the recording was released to the public.

AMEN! Their fighting in front of Ireland is wrong, but in this instance, Alec is 100%, totally to blame.

 

[Elphaba]

AMEN! Their fighting in front of Ireland is wrong, but in this instance, Alec is 100%, totally to blame.

Exactly!

They have both failed the child in many ways, but what Alec said and did in the phone message is HIS doings and his doings alone. He has to be held accountable for his actions... his verbal abuse can scar that child for life.

And those saying Kim should not have made the phone call public (if she did in the first place): what... heaven forbid someone expose that man's true nature? you don't sweep any kind of abuse, be it verbal, mental or physical, under the rug or keep it behind closed doors.

 

[PaperDoll]

Exactly!

They have both failed the child in many ways, but what Alec said and did in the phone message is HIS doings and his doings alone. He has to be held accountable for his actions... his verbal abuse can scar that child for life.

And those saying Kim should not have made the phone call public (if she did in the first place): what... heaven forbid someone expose that man's true nature? you don't sweep any kind of abuse, be it verbal, mental or physical, under the rug or keep it behind closed doors.

She was probably sick of it herself and instead of shooting him in the back :silenced: :hand: , she released this call, if indeed she did... Heck, she has to deal with him for a long time because of their daughter..

 

[narlacat]

Alec Baldwin explains voicemail rant

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=157708

 

[southcitymom]

you don't sweep any kind of abuse, be it verbal, mental or physical, under the rug or keep it behind closed doors.

Of course you don't.

You take it to the Judge who has been dealing with these two for 6 years and has repeatedly told the Mom that her repeated leaking of this type of inflammatory stuff is hurting their daughter over and over again. The Judge finds this behavior of the mother so intolerable that he has entered an Order forbidding it.

You take it to the Judge who is aware enough of the father's anger issues that he has at least once required the father to attend anger management classes.

You take it to the Judge who you have burdened with your pettiness and immaturity innumerable times over the years and let the Judge sort it out in private so that the child is not scarred further.

You take it to the Judge because every reputable mental health professional that deals with children and divorce says playing this crap out in public harms, harms, harms the child even more.

Sweep it under the rug?! Please - Alec Baldwin's anger issues are incapable of being swept under the rug - everybody on the planet is aware of them and was aware of them before the mother leaked this tape.

The only reason you leak a tape like this is to draw an opponent's blood by aiming the arrow through the heart of your child. Way to go, Kim.

 

[csds703]

Of course you don't.

You take it to the Judge who has been dealing with these two for 6 years and has repeatedly told the Mom that her repeated leaking of this type of inflammatory stuff is hurting their daughter over and over again. The Judge finds this behavior of the mother so intolerable that he has entered an Order forbidding it.

You take it to the Judge who is aware enough of the father's anger issues that he has at least once required the father to attend anger management classes.

You take it to the Judge who you have burdened with your pettiness and immaturity innumerable times over the years and let the Judge sort it out in private so that the child is not scarred further.

You take it to the Judge because every reputable mental health professional that deals with children and divorce says playing this crap out in public harms, harms, harms the child even more.

Sweep it under the rug?! Please - Alec Baldwin's anger issues are incapable of being swept under the rug - everybody on the planet is aware of them and was aware of them before the mother leaked this tape.

The only reason you leak a tape like this is to draw an opponent's blood by aiming the arrow through the heart of your child. Way to go, Kim.

In theory I agree with every word you say.
In reality the courts do nothing to stop this crap.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

How do we know that the child didn't "leak" the tape?

I'm sure Kim listened to it and would have copied it to give to her lawyers - BUT the girl is old enough to have played it for a friend to hear, another relative to hear, etc.

The assumption that Kim leaked the tape is just that, an assumption. There are certainly other ways the tape could have "gotten out".

Anyone ever heard of the phrase "toxic parent"? We usually think of it in an adult child situation, and an adult child chooses to no longer interact with a "toxic parent" due to the parent's bizarre behaviors, angry outbursts, personal insults, or other such nonsense. Often the adult child chooses to no longer see a parent because they don't want their own children exposed to the crap.

Well what about if your spouse, the father of your child, is a "toxic parent"? Would you not do whatever you could to keep him away from your child? I would!

 

[Dark Knight]

His temper on the sets of wherever he works is well documented. This wasn't an isolated incident as far as his temper goes.

It's a good thing he "only" called his daughter a "pig." If he had called her a "nappy-headed ho" he'd be fired from his current TV gig.

 

[Seven]

I've heard it said a lot harsher than that as in "I'm gonna whip your arse until you act right" and THAT statement didn't lose anyone their visitation rights and of course it shouldn't, IMHO.

Sometimes this type of public exposure can lead a child to drug use at a very early age.

i'm one of those people who do not believe in corporal punishment. i never have. ever since i watched my own mom and dad raise seven children. on the other hand my parents were not what i would describe as abusive, and my father was the personification of a gentleman, tho he was a workaholic and spent a lot of time at work.

my parents took their responsibilities as role models so seriously that they never cursed and never divorced ....... tho i didnt always think so then, i guess i was one of the lucky ones. i can still hear my mother saying, "Your father and i dont talk like that, and you wont either."

obviously, alec baldwin doesnt have that high ground to stand on. ...... did you hear his entire rant? very bad. it went on and on, and it was abusive. it was also threatening. i find it difficult to believe this isnt alec baldwin's modus operandi. he has had anger management issues for years and years.

he hasnt lost visitation rights forever. i assume the judge just wants to give him a cooling off period, a time out. ....... he really does need to start acting like the adult in the relathionship, instead of behaving as if Ireland has such power over him and getting down on the 11-year-old level, acting like a school yard bully. she doesnt have to accept that kind of abuse from anyone, not even her own father .... if he wants her to adjust her behavior, that rant is not the way to do it ...... it was too scary, too mean, too nasty, too out of control.


alec has a

rep.

 

[Seven]

Wasn't Alec supposed to be moving out of the States overseas somewhere?? I volunteer to help him pack....

...... yeah, he's supposed to be over there with johnny depp in france! hahaha ..... good one!

 

[Seven]

Even if Basinger's people did leak the tape, they didn't write Baldwin a script and make him say these things. These are his feelings about his daughter and they make me sick to my stomach! What kind of a man says stuff like that to a little girl???? Does it make him feel like a man? The age that Ireland is now is a very delicate age. Little girls form their opinions about themselves during this age. For her own father to say these things to her can affect her for the rest of her life!!!! MY God. He's supposed to be Superman in her eyes and protect her from the world. It seems as though HE's what she most needs protection from. He should be ashamed of himself. It it were my ex-husband saying these things about my daughter, it would be a "cold day in hell" before I subjected her to his rantings again.

!!!

 

[Seven]

I can't believe I've heard so many people turn this into blaming both parents for this!!! The bottom line is he blew up and said horrible things to his 11 or 12 yr old daughter. HE DID IT regardless of how the recording was released to the public.

EXACTLY! it's the old "moral equivalency" excuse!

 

[Seven]

The only reason you leak a tape like this is to draw an opponent's blood by aiming the arrow through the heart of your child. Way to go, Kim.

and, of course, the way to nip that nasty leaking in the bud
is to not give the sneaky ex-wife any ammunition to record.

six years? and he doesnt know that yet?
many of us have to learn the hard way!

 

[southcitymom]

His temper on the sets of wherever he works is well documented. This wasn't an isolated incident as far as his temper goes.

It's a good thing he "only" called his daughter a "pig." If he had called her a "nappy-headed ho" he'd be fired from his current TV gig.

That's hilarious, DK!

 

[southcitymom]

How do we know that the child didn't "leak" the tape?

I'm sure Kim listened to it and would have copied it to give to her lawyers - BUT the girl is old enough to have played it for a friend to hear, another relative to hear, etc.

The assumption that Kim leaked the tape is just that, an assumption. There are certainly other ways the tape could have "gotten out".

Anyone ever heard of the phrase "toxic parent"? We usually think of it in an adult child situation, and an adult child chooses to no longer interact with a "toxic parent" due to the parent's bizarre behaviors, angry outbursts, personal insults, or other such nonsense. Often the adult child chooses to no longer see a parent because they don't want their own children exposed to the crap.

Well what about if your spouse, the father of your child, is a "toxic parent"? Would you not do whatever you could to keep him away from your child? I would!

I will admit that my mind is relatively closed to the idea that anyone other than Kim leaked this tape. She's just done this type of stuff too much over the years for me to assume otherwise.

As for the "toxic parent" thing, I have very different feelings about that and I have touched on them in earlier posts. Unless a child is being physically/sexually abused by a parent, the child must be raised by both parents to respect and have an independent relationship with the other parent. Period. End of question, in my mind.

I don't know any perfect parents. We all bring some amount of toxicity (and obviously, that's a matter of degree) to our child/children.

My best friend is in a eerily similar situation as Kim/Alec with her daughter. Her daughter's father (and her ex-husband) has rage/anger issues. I watch her make daily decisions to: a) never slander this man in front of her child (and there's plenty of ammunition to do so and b) allow her daughter to safely develop a relationship with her father.

It's not easy, but her eye is always on the reality that alienating her daughter from her father would be abusive. Just like Ireland, her daughter must be allowed to know her father just as he is. When her daughter is older, she may decide she doesn't want to have a relationship with him - but that will be her decision to make, not a decision she was manipulated into making.

Because my friend has chosen to handle her divorce this way, the father has lots less buttons to be pushed to cause him to rage and abuse. Kim's handling of a similar situation is producing a vastly different results. Please do not read that last line to say that I am blaming Kim for Alec's behavior because I am not.

 

[southcitymom]

In theory I agree with every word you say.
In reality the courts do nothing to stop this crap.

I don't know that I understand what you are saying. I do know that nobody can force anyone else to be a good parent, but I watch the Courts exact consequences daily - from fines to jail times to loss of visitation/contact to parenting classes to loss of custody to - in extreme cases, termination of parental rights.

And I agree with the Court's stance in this case that the type of antics the mother in this case repeatedly engages in only harms the child.

Do you really think that if Kim's lawyer had presented a copy of that call to the Judge in her divorce, the Judge would have done nothing? This Judge has repeatedly responded to Alec's anger issues just as he has repeatedly responded to Kim's abusive issues.

 

[angelwngs]

My graduate school college roommate went to high school with Kim B. She said that Kim has ALWAYS been a 'piece of work'.

No matter. Nothing excuses Alec's cruelty; his verbal and mental abuse toward his daughter. It is inexcusable. It creates damage from which Ireland will spend a lifetime trying to heal.

Alec and Kim need to grow up and remove their daughter from their sick games of revenge and hatred.