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[sadyjade]

I'm looking for a transcript of the movie "Gone Baby Gone"

I watched this movie for the third time today... second time since Calylee went missing, first time since she has been found, AND her mother has been arrested for her murder.

Many things jumped out at me the *second time round* However, this time, today ... I had already read numerous discovery documents ... especially noted, duct tape, and the *heart shaped* residue, *heart shaped puffy sticker seen in pics.

I am looking to confirm what I thought I heard, watching this movie today. It was sometime in the first 30-40 minutes (I Think). Something to the tune of
" Red, poofy, heart shaped sticker (from my locker?)*

You can see why I am more curious now, than the first time round ...

Makes me wonder if KC tried to *mock* this movie to create a new reality, a more believable senario?

I just can't let it go, I did (almost) the first time I watched this movie, after Caylee went missing. Now, with all we've learned through documents etc., It REALLY freaks me out!

 

[ynotdivein]

:book:

Hi fellow sleuthers! Given the archetypal themes that any case of alleged filicide raises, perhaps it's not surprising that references have been made in court of late to some heavy-hitting works of literature. Thought I would open a thread for conversation about these works and others that may come up--thus far it's Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird and The Stranger by Albert Camus.

Some very perceptive posts about these literary references have been posted in other threads--the metaphorical and allegorical possibilities clearly get many WSer's synapses a-poppin'--and I figured it might be helpful to create a book nook of sorts.

If you want to refresh your memory on either of these works before diving in, here's this:

SparkNotes on TKAM


SparkNotes on The Stranger

I will begin by saying I was quite surprised to hear AL come out of the gate with "The Stranger" and then even more surprised that she only focused on Meursault's non-reaction to his mother's death and ignored the rest of the book--I've never seen anyone quote an entire NOVEL "out of context" before. :banghead: However, AL did have the good sense to choose an absurdist/nihilist author to reference... :crazy:

 

[annmarie62]

"Once a b*tch always a b*tch."- Jason Compson from Wm. Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury

 

[ynotdivein]

"Once a b*tch always a b*tch."- Jason Compson from Wm. Faulkner's The Sound and the Fury

annmarie62, let us add "spiteful" to the Faulkner, and let your George Eliot sig line stand on its own merits in re: this case... :angel:

 

[miss plum]

"Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers."

--Blanche Dubois, from Tennessee Williams' A Streetcar Named Desire, speaking to the doctor who is leading her away to be incarcerated in a mental institution.

 

[LinasK]

Dostoyevsky's "Crime and Punishment" has been mentioned, but Casey lacks a conscience, unlike the main character!:bang:

 

[Pensfan]

:book:

Hi fellow sleuthers! Given the archetypal themes that any case of alleged filicide raises, perhaps it's not surprising that references have been made in court of late to some heavy-hitting works of literature. Thought I would open a thread for conversation about these works and others that may come up--thus far it's Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird and The Stranger by Albert Camus.

Some very perceptive posts about these literary references have been posted in other threads--the metaphorical and allegorical possibilities clearly get many WSer's synapses a-poppin'--and I figured it might be helpful to create a book nook of sorts.

If you want to refresh your memory on either of these works before diving in, here's this:

SparkNotes on TKAM


SparkNotes on The Stranger

I will begin by saying I was quite surprised to hear AL come out of the gate with "The Stranger" and then even more surprised that she only focused on Meursault's non-reaction to his mother's death and ignored the rest of the book--I've never seen anyone quote an entire NOVEL "out of context" before. :banghead: However, AL did have the good sense to choose an absurdist/nihilist author to reference... :crazy:

I was also surprised to learn AL attempted to utilize The Stranger to sway the Honorable Judge Perry against the DP for KC.

AL must have slept through a significant portion of the literature class that discussed The Stranger. This is not a book that encourages strong anti-death penalty sentiments for people like the defendant in the novel or people like KC. The defendant in this novel explains that he was never really able to feel any remorse for any of his actions in life. Comparing KC to this defendant directly implies that KC is also a violent sociopath. People do not feel sorry for violent sociopaths and spare them from the death penalty.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I have to mention Lady Macbeth and the "out d*** spot" line. Not trying to be funny, by the way.

 

[cecybeans]

Well, as much as I'd love to think of literary allusions (I'm sort of thinking The House of Atreus as The House of Anthony) - and how much fun it will be trying to dress this up in finer cloth, somehow at first blush these folks lend themselves less to the Shakespeare set and more to the Suzanne (as in Jacqueline - although Spock did reference that as one of "the classics" in Star Trek IV, IIRC).

I say, let's open the field to all media and include our favorite literature, both new and old, films, television and even cartoon strips should they inspire. I've often said this is a movie that Tim Burton and John Waters could have directed. And at the end, we'll have a compendium of entertainment that Charles Addams would envy, not to mention a wonderful list of things to either read or reread and enjoy from a fresh perspective. What a great idea for something new to do, thanks for making this fun and educational ynot!!

Also, there is something absolutely Dickensian about the entire defense team. I wonder if anyone has casting ideas along those lines?

 

[LinasK]

:wave:Okay, I vote for Perry Mason(Ironsides)! That's what Casey wants and we now have a Perry-Mason connection to this case!

 

[Kat]

:book:

Hi fellow sleuthers! Given the archetypal themes that any case of alleged filicide raises, perhaps it's not surprising that references have been made in court of late to some heavy-hitting works of literature. Thought I would open a thread for conversation about these works and others that may come up--thus far it's Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird and The Stranger by Albert Camus.

Some very perceptive posts about these literary references have been posted in other threads--the metaphorical and allegorical possibilities clearly get many WSer's synapses a-poppin'--and I figured it might be helpful to create a book nook of sorts.

If you want to refresh your memory on either of these works before diving in, here's this:

SparkNotes on TKAM


SparkNotes on The Stranger

I will begin by saying I was quite surprised to hear AL come out of the gate with "The Stranger" and then even more surprised that she only focused on Meursault's non-reaction to his mother's death and ignored the rest of the book--I've never seen anyone quote an entire NOVEL "out of context" before. :banghead: However, AL did have the good sense to choose an absurdist/nihilist author to reference... :crazy:

LOL thanks for the spark notes ynotdivein, I needed them! It's been over 20 yrs since I had Lit 101.

You know what? I think she isn't well versed with that book and it's more subtle interpretations.

I think she chose it because Meursault's trial became about his apathy and his "outsiderness" and his inappropriate responses to the rest of the world, not just his mother's death.

I wasn't able to listen to the exact quotes she used. I will need to find a transcript.

As for the TKAM Baez left me speechless and then I burst out giggling. Please is he comparing himself to Atticus? Come now.

But again we see the defense chooses to extract out of context the part of the novel they want.

AF defended a black man in a racist community. Even though AF showed that Tom was innocent but he is found guilty.

I think they were trying to tie in two themes (without delving too deeply into the themes of the respective books which are multi-layered as we all know).

1. The defendent does not react in what society considers as appropriate to events in their lives.

2. That the jury (and general public) has already made up their mind about the defendent based on their prejudices against the defendent. (see #1)

Not well thought out IMHO.

 

[cecybeans]

Well a dear elven friend of ours and former WS dignitary sent me this. I think it says it beautifully:

Here is my contribution for the STATE to reference the heady literary thread:

A person's a person, no matter how small. ~ Dr. Seuss ~

 

[Pensfan]

Listed are potential similarities between KC’s and Meursaul’s trial.

In The Stranger, the accused is seen by the jury to be unsympathetic (similar to KC) and his crime irrational (similar to KC murdering her own child). The defendant was unable to gather sympathy similar to KC’s affect on others. The prosecutor concentrated on proving the defendant guilty by providing the jurors with evidence of the defendant’s cold heartedness; his inability to cry at his mom’s funeral was the supposed proof. This is similar to KC’s prosecutors providing the jury with photos of KC dancing immediately after her daughter's “disappearance” .

Although there are similarities, they are not emotion invoking and do not eliminate the defendant’s confession that he is a sociopath and does not feel remorse. By AL referencing similarities in this novel, she reinforced that KC is a sociopath and she has no conscience. This literary reference probably thwarted any lenience towards KC from Honorable Judge Perry.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Well, as much as I'd love to think of literary allusions (I'm sort of thinking The House of Atreus as The House of Anthony) - and how much fun it will be trying to dress this up in finer cloth, somehow at first blush these folks lend themselves less to the Shakespeare set and more to the Suzanne (as in Jacqueline - although Spock did reference that as one of "the classics" in Star Trek IV, IIRC).

I say, let's open the field to all media and include our favorite literature, both new and old, films, television and even cartoon strips should they inspire. I've often said this is a movie that Tim Burton and John Waters could have directed. And at the end, we'll have a compendium of entertainment that Charles Addams would envy, not to mention a wonderful list of things to either read or reread and enjoy from a fresh perspective. What a great idea for something new to do, thanks for making this fun and educational ynot!!

Also, there is something absolutely Dickensian about the entire defense team. I wonder if anyone has casting ideas along those lines?

Hmm yes Dickens does come to mind (Mrs Haversham anyone?). Also, for a movie director, I picture it being more of a Coen brothers affair.haha

 

[bessie]

Personally, I think JB's own brand of jurisprudence was derived directly from The Stone-Sucking Sequence from Samuel Beckett's Molloy.


I took advantage of being at the seaside to lay in a store of
sucking-stones. They were pebbles but I call them stones. Yes, on
this occasion I laid in a considerable store. I distributed them
equally between my four pockets, and sucked them turn and turn
about. This raised a problem which I first solved in the following
way. I had say sixteen stones, four in each of my four pockets these
being the two pockets of my trousers and the two pockets of my
greatcoat. Taking a stone from the right pocket of my greatcoat, and
putting it in my mouth, I replaced it in the right pocket of my
greatcoat by a stone from the right pocket of my trousers, which I
replaced by a stone from the left pocket of my trousers, which I
replaced by a stone from the left pocket of my greatcoat, which I
replaced by the stone which was in my mouth, as soon as I had
finished sucking it. Thus there were still four stones in each of my
four pockets, but not quite the same stones. And when the desire to
suck took hold of me again, I drew again on the right pocket of my
greatcoat, certain of not taking the same stone as the last time.
And while I sucked it I rearranged the other stones in the way I
have just described. And so on

 

[NocturnalLady]

I was also surprised to learn AL attempted to utilize The Stranger to sway the Honorable Judge Perry against the DP for KC.

AL must have slept through a significant portion of the literature class that discussed The Stranger. This is not a book that encourages strong anti-death penalty sentiments for people like the defendant in the novel or people like KC. The defendant in this novel explains that he was never really able to feel any remorse for any of his actions in life. Comparing KC to this defendant directly implies that KC is also a violent sociopath. People do not feel sorry for violent sociopaths and spare them from the death penalty.

That was a crazy reference to make. She either has not read the book or didn't understand it.

 

[twomanywords]

I know this isn't really a classic..But "The Bad Seed" has always come to mind for KC and her mother. Their co dependence is remarkable.
Cindy defends KC to the public, yet warned quite a few of her (KC) friends that she is a sociopath and will rob them blind. Also Jesse's account of Cindy stating that KC had nothing and no future, no education etc...so why would he want to be with her?

 

[Pensfan]

Well a dear elven friend of ours and former WS dignitary sent me this. I think it says it beautifully:

Here is my contribution for the STATE to reference the heady literary thread:

A person's a person, no matter how small. ~ Dr. Seuss ~

Add this to a list that JA can deliver when AL begins spewing anti-death penalty literary references.

“If we are to abolish the death penalty, I should like to see the first step taken by my friends, the murderers.” Alphonse Karr

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Since AL has stated the basis of her argument for KC I don't think her closing argument will take long........ it will go something like this: "To err is human, to forgive divine" Alexander Pope ..............which will be an ABSOLUTELY EPIC FAIL!

 

[Pensfan]

Another inappropriate comment coming from the defense was a reference to the novel, To Kill a Mockingbird. Besides the fact that neither Baez or AL, defense lawyers, have the moral integrity of Atticus Finch, why would either of these individuals inject a book into their defense that uses the "N" word forty-eight times? They were presenting in front of an African American judge who is of the age group that considered the novel, To Kill a Mockingbird, to be very controversial for its profuse use of the "N" word.

This novel has prompted controversy since it was published in 1960 because of its use of racially derogatory language. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans, perhaps including Honorable Judge Perry's parents, protested the reading of To Kill a Mockingbird in publicly funded high schools because of the racially derogatory words. Certainly Honorable Judge Perry's mother and father, and very possibly His Honor, were disturbed to hear this prejudicial novel inserted into KC's defense.