All Sauvie Island Searches

[Donjeta]

IMO LE would know if they grabbed each other's phones because Kaine's phone pinged where Terri said she was and vice versa, and they might have noticed themselves if either of them got calls that were intended for the other one or if they wanted to make any calls and don't have the same numbers in their phones.

 

[Mellen]

They WERE????!!!! How did I miss that? Wow. Oh wow. This is major and I feel so silly for not having known. Where can I find that? TIA.

I think what is being referred to is the LE request early on in investigation for video footage of a number of specific streets in the area around Skyline and heading down to Rt. 30 on both June 3 and June 4. See To Help column on the right side of this article.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html

 

[passionflower]

(((((hugs to Desiree)))) I feel she knew about the big search this weekend.
Funny though t was scheduled over a Sat/Sun.
Doesn't this cause overtime for SRV services???
On a tight budget?
Something happened, IMO.
AND they STRESS no new leads........WHY???
No need to stress that fact unless you don't want someone to figure something out.
Did someone tell something to LE in secret?

 

[Kat010]

I think what is being referred to is the LE request early on in investigation for video footage of a number of specific streets in the area around Skyline and heading down to Rt. 30 on both June 3 and June 4. See To Help column on the right side of this article.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_wraps_up_a.html

Thank you! I know I've been fevered for days, but I just could not remember this!

Bless you!

Video footage: The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is seeking video of traffic on 15 Portland roads taken June 3 and June 4, the day Kyron Horman disappeared. Call the search tip line and leave your contact information and the location or street address where you took the footage. The streets: Northwest Cornelius Pass Road, Northwest Germantown Road, Northwest Logie Trail Road, Northwest Rocky Point Road, Northwest Skyline Road, Northwest 185th Avenue, Northwest West Union Road, Northwest Springville Road, Bethany Boulevard, Northwest Newberry Road, Northwest McNamee Road, U.S. 30 between Northwest Rocky Point Road to Northwest Germantown Road, Northwest Kaiser Road, Northwest Thompson Road, Northwest Laidlaw Road.

ETA the search areas. Note: the original is in vertical format, to capture it I had to grab small segments and now, of course, it's horizontal format.

 

[Shadowboy]

RE: Looking for TH movements on June 3 as well as June 4th,

They WERE????!!!! How did I miss that? Wow. Oh wow. This is major and I feel so silly for not having known. Where can I find that? TIA.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/96253939.html

"As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below):...."

Not sure if they were specifically targeting TH at this time (June 12/13); but is was around the time MCSO termed it a "criminal investigation." Plus, I can't find it right now, but when footage from Albertson's and FM were requested ... didn't that request include June 3 as well as June 4?

 

[ThoughtFox]

1) She probably planned this for months. I believe she began planning at least back in November.

2) If she planned it, she probably had a site prepared.

3) If she had an accomplice, then her time constraints aren't that important.


I recall that LE were looking for info on where she was on the 3rd as well as the 4th.

So it could be that her cellphone pinged out on Sauvie Island on the day before Kyron disappeared if she was out looking for a good place to hide a body?

Interesting! :twocents:

 

[pufnstuf]

How long would soil traces "hold"? Kaine said they used to visit certain places there. So if they had been to Sauvie Island with the truck recently, would the police be able to tell the difference between old dirt and fresh samples?

I would think that the stratification of dirt layers underneath would give them the info they needed... but also...

I believe that it was Lindstrand who said that the truck had been taken in twice... I don't recall seeing the truck being driven in the early weeks of the investigation, but I can't back that up with a link, except that the only times Terri and Kaine were filmed during that period, they were in Terri's Mustang. I really really hope that investigators took the truck as soon as they realized that Terri might be involved, and I hope they went over it well.

I recall while we were watching the truck being towed away on the rollback the second time it was looked at. Even Lindstrand then said it was being taken in for mechanical failure. Several of us noticed, though, that the truck was started and driven on the rollback--betraying Lindstrand's assertion. That's just an example of how LE are keeping the facts sealed in this case. They are letting NOTHING out to the public unless it's very very carefully planned and managed. And they do lie, too, to protect the case. I don't begrudge them that. Justice for Kyron trumps our curiosity.

 

[bessie]

I posted this in a different thread on 9/14, thought it was relevant to this discussion, so I thought I'd bring it over here. I was looking for the cell towers that TH's phone would have pinged if she had been on Morgan Rd. by Rainbow Lake (approx where that Chas person said he saw her pull onto the highway.)

So does a cellphone ping work like GPS? That REQUIRES triangulation. I didn't know that cells did. I thought they just pinged to the most accessible tower they could, which would mean not necessarily the closest. I went to a website where it showed all the cell phone towers within a 4 mile radius of that road. There were 6, more than one of which was on Sauvie Island for whatever reason, but what caught my attention was that the one on Sauvie was the tallest. I would guess that maybe these "other" towers, since not owned by the major players (AT&T, Verizon or whomever, must lease their towers?) (I feel like this should be posted in another thread, but we've created so many, I don't know where it should go )

Here's the info: and link (hope it works)

Alert! 6 Towers (Not Registered) found within 4.00 miles of NW Morgan Rd, Portland, OR 97231.

Info! The NEAREST Tower is 1.45 miles away and is owned by Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc.

Ok! No Applications for Future Towers detected as of 09/14/10.


Tower Type ID Num Site Owner Height Dist
Registered (No Towers Detected)

Not Registered (1) Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc 145 feet 1.45 miles
(2) Western Pcs Corp 140 feet 1.59 miles
(3) Pacific Northwest Bell Telephone Co 69 feet 1.97 miles
(4) Mc Caw Communications Of The Midsouth In 160 feet 2.99 miles
(5) American Tower Corp 165 feet 3.06 miles
(6) American Tower Corporation 115 feet 3.68 miles

Future (No Towers Detected)

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitesta...st=pagehandler

I'm sorry if I failed to satisfactorily answer your question on the other thread, Billie. Perhaps I'm just not clear about what you are asking.

Cell phones regularly send signals to towers within a grid (ping) whether or not a call is in process. When a call is placed from or to a particular cell phone, the pings are routed from tower to tower to set up a channel for the through put of information between two parties.

Triangulation comes into play for the purpose of determining a specific phone's location at a given point in time. Theoretically, if I wanted to locate your cell phone right now, I'd analyze current data which would show the towers receiving signals from your cell phone within the past hour or so. If I wanted to know where TH was on June 4th at 11 a.m., I'd look at the records for that day, given their availability.

Cell towers cover a wide radius. So, a ping on one tower alone tells very little about your location. To pinpoint your location, I would look at the radius of the tower with the strongest signal first, then the tower with the second strongest signal, and finally the tower with the third strongest signal. If I draw a diagram showing the radius of each tower, basically three circles plotted on a map, I can determine your location as the point where the three radii intersect.

GPS works the same way but with satellite signals instead of radio tower signals.

ETA: The link in your post is broken, Billie. Did you copy it from the post in the other thread? If so, that's why. Links become abbreviated when we post them in WS. You can click the link in the first post then copy and paste it from the actual web page to a post here.

 

[pufnstuf]

So it could be that her cellphone pinged out on Sauvie Island on the day before Kyron disappeared if she was out looking for a good place to hide a body?

Interesting! :twocents:

Yeah, I think so.

And for all her amateur CSI knowledge, perhaps she never thought about what her June 3 activities would tell investigators.

I wonder sometimes if she smugly thinks that she's committed the perfect crime.

 

[Jade2010]

I fear that this search is exactly what they are saying, just following up since he has not been found since they last searched this area. It seems like a well-organized and very spread out kind of search, not one gathered together quickly to search a small area. At least from what I've gathered...

I keep going back and forth since news of the search. First I think they must have a tip (from a credible source like Dede maybe?) and okay, yes, Terri is indeed guilty. She did this.

Then I read what you said pointing out that it had to be a well-planned search and that must have taken like what - at least a week? maybe to get together so then there is no tip. And then I'm back to maybe Terri didn't have anything to do with it and no one is looking in the right place or at the right person for Kyron.

 

[bessie]

So it could be that her cellphone pinged out on Sauvie Island on the day before Kyron disappeared if she was out looking for a good place to hide a body?

Interesting! :twocents:

And as I just posted, one ping alone doesn't amount to much. Looking at the towers near SI, it seems some of them overlap the area around SI and the Horman home. That might be causing LE problems with triangulating her location at a particular time.

 

[pdx]

free is out having a nose around again & will call with anything we need to know. Basically, it's the same drill as yesterday. Tons of people, most search concentration she is seeing is north from the school & on the east side of the island.
Consider that there are limited roads available out there, so the direction might not tell us much.

 

[kappy50]

Just me and me alone..if a "ping "meant something it would" have meant"t something 17 weeks ago or 1 hoor after Kyron was missing...

 

[Jade2010]

free is out having a nose around again & will call with anything we need to know. Basically, it's the same drill as yesterday. Tons of people, most search concentration she is seeing is north from the school & on the east side of the island.
Consider that there are limited roads available out there, so the direction might not tell us much.

What does "north" mean? Is that like a block from the school (or closer), a little further out or north as in Suavie Island is north? Thanks PDX!

 

[scotslass]

I thought the task force has not yet been formed?

Well 30% of the task force will be made of Multnomah County investigators so they have con't to work on the case and in this article it states Sheriff Dan Staton is due to announce the task force composition. So i'll go ahead and assume they have already began to share information. This is why i previously used the wording of "recently forming task force"

If we can take this article at face value hopefully we should shortly be learning who makes up the other 70%.

I did note that they have mistakingly used the date of June 6th in this article regarding Kyron's disappearance. I really wish they were more diligent with facts they are reporting... sigh..

http://portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=128612642694262300

 

[Billylee]

I'm sorry if I failed to satisfactorily answer your question on the other thread, Billie. Perhaps I'm just not clear about what you are asking.

Cell phones regularly send signals to towers within a grid (ping) whether or not a call is in process. When a call is placed from or to a particular cell phone, the pings are routed from tower to tower to set up a channel for the through put of information between two parties.

Triangulation comes into play for the purpose of determining a specific phone's location at a given point in time. Theoretically, if I wanted to locate your cell phone right now, I'd analyze current data which would show the towers receiving signals from your cell phone within the past hour or so. If I wanted to know where TH was on June 4th at 11 a.m., I'd look at the records for that day, given their availability.

Cell towers cover a wide radius. So, a ping on one tower alone tells very little about your location. To pinpoint your location, I would look at the radius of the tower with the strongest signal first, then the tower with the second strongest signal, and finally the tower with the third strongest signal. If I draw a diagram showing the radius of each tower, basically three circles plotted on a map, I can determine your location as the point where the three radii intersect.

GPS works the same way but with satellite signals instead of radio tower signals.

ETA: The link in your post is broken, Billie. Did you copy it from the post in the other thread? If so, that's why. Links become abbreviated when we post them in WS. You can click the link in the first post then copy and paste it from the actual web page to a post here.

Thanks I didn't know that about the links, here's where I found the cell antenna info:

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitest...=towerreview&pagenum=1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

 

[i.b.nora]

The 30% of the task force has been said to be 2 investigator type people and 1 administrative technician (which I believe is a secretary). You know, someone to organize all those pages in all those binders.

 

[pdx]

What does "north" mean? Is that like a block from the school (or closer), a little further out or north as in Suavie Island is north? Thanks PDX!

hi, sorry, I meant to put this in the other thread.

North means, not south.
(being careful about details)

School= SI Elementary, on the island. It's the SAR base today.


edit d'oh, it's the right thread, we got merged.

 

[i.b.nora]

Earlier today, not knowing that BillyLee had already posted some antenna information, I went to:

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitestart.asp

and entered the address: NW Gillihan Rd, Portland, OR 97231

which is the approximate location of the Suavie Island Bridge. By doing that, the results will show you both antenna locations and tower locations. Skyline school which supposedly has a tower almost in its backyard, is only 3.16 miles (as the crow flies) from the Sauvie Bridge. So, I would think that some antennas and towers have stronger signals than others. And, I think some are limited in their directional capabilities. Anyhow, Bessie seems to know alot about them. Certainly way more than I know.

So, go to the site, and enter the info I provided above, or enter whatever address you prefer.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think we will hear much at all about this search from LE, if they do not find Kyron. It will just be another one of those mysterious things we will have to wonder about