All Things Britney Spears Part 4

[SeekingJana]

You are absolutely correct about substance addiction.
I guess what I should have said to be more clear is: While some mental illness can be treated and brain chemistries restored to normal, such as with major depressive episode WNOS, Bi- Polar disorder requires close lifelong supervision of meds. A lot of people do not realize this.

Neither does the disease of addiction. She will need lifelong treatment for both if she is to stand a chance. Fortunately, every reputable treatment center has dual track (psych and addiction) programs to help - if such help is wanted.

 

[SeekingJana]

With proper diagnosis, treatment, and an investment of self- involvement in recovery, any person walking this planet can get well. Celebs are not the only kids with dysfunction in their families and lives.. it's just obvious to the rest of us.

IF she has DID instead of Bi-Polar disorder, then her treatment will be more complicated and extensive, and the trauma or traumas which caused her initial alter split will have to be uncovered.
Whether or not the person sees the benefits of leaving public life for a private life will become more clear to them as they recover their true selves again.

FWIW, I've never listened to her music and don't know a thing about K Fed either.
She's just a person in distress who happens to be in the spotlight to me. My prayers for her children, especially. They need a stable environment, and I don't see much of a chance for the little guys to have even that.

I keep wondering if these kids have any hope or chance of any semblance of a normal life. Being celebrity kids and constantly in the spotlight is one thing, but to have your parents and even extended family so dysfunctional just adds to the problem.

I really know nothing of Spears or Federline, other than K-Fed was on an episode of CSI briefly last year. I don't listen to their music or anything like that. But when I read stuff like this in the papers or online, I mainly feel sorry for the kids. The parents, too, to some extent, but the kids are the real victims here, in my opinion. Their lives are just beginning, and everything looks so bleak for them.

 

[LovingTheChaos]

ET Online has some video's - one of which to me is pretty disturbing. She looks like she is on some sort of trip

http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/01/56997/index.html

I am still hoping she gets through this in one piece & doesn't end up like ANS.

 

[SeekingJana]

ET Online has some video's - one of which to me is pretty disturbing. She looks like she is on some sort of trip

http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/01/56997/index.html

I am still hoping she gets through this in one piece & doesn't end up like ANS.

I don't want to see her all messed up. The ambulance pics were bad enough, but I do think she has a better chance than ANS had, because Brit is younger, and I don't think she has the drug enablers that ANS had. Brit is probably wealthy, but not to the extent that ANS had been and was about to be with the Marshall estate ruling.
Money brings out the bottom feeder enablers. I'm hoping Britney doesn't have that close an emotional tie to a supplier-- yet.

 

[LovingTheChaos]

I don't want to see her all messed up. The ambulance pics were bad enough, but I do think she has a better chance than ANS had, because Brit is younger, and I don't think she has the drug enablers that ANS had. Brit is probably wealthy, but not to the extent that ANS had been and was about to be with the Marshall estate ruling.
Money brings out the bottom feeder enablers. I'm hoping Britney doesn't have that close an emotional tie to a supplier-- yet.

Don't forget, ANS was pretty young when she became infamous as well. At the rate Spears is going, she might not live as long as ANS did. Unfortunately, I think the only people Brit is surrounded by right now are enablers.

 

[Jules]

A bit off topic but the hat LovingTheChaos is perfect for this thread.

 

[LovingTheChaos]

A bit off topic but the hat LovingTheChaos is perfect for this thread.

I know - but believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Brit, or ANS, I have used it for a long time. It describes my life, 3 kids 5 & under, WOHM, etc...

 

[IdahoMom]

I agree completely. I was happy to read her Dad rushed to the hospital to be with her. Any word on her mother or brother Brian visiting her?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20169409,00.html

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Spears's father Jamie was at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center Thursday night, and her older brother Bryan was expected to show up Friday, according to a source.

Spears's mom Lynne, who's been in constant contact with Britney, and 16-year-old sister Jamie Lynn have been in seclusion following the December bombshell that Jamie Lynn is pregnant. The two are now en route to their hometown, Kentwood, La., from an undisclosed location, a source says. When Access Hollywood spoke to Lynne Spears Friday, she was "extremely distraught" on the phone and said, "Just say prayers."

 

[Clearly Confused]

Those pics of her being taken away just make me so sad. She isn't in her right mind and I pray she gets the help she needs.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I usually just pop in here, but the more I read and the more I see of Brit, I think she is suffering from a mental illness/total emotional breakdown/identity crisis/withdrawal/self-medicating. As someone else mentioned, she is supposedly getting tested randomly for drugs and those results haven't been plastered all over - just speculation. I would doubt that the speculation is true because Brit was still allowed contact with her boys.

Brit may have started out as a spoiled brat, etc. and her parents and others are enablers, but her world is crashing down around her and she needs help. Hopefully she can now receive the proper care instead of people coddling her and giving in to her every whim. No matter if she is a celebrity or not, she is a human being and it is sad to watch anyone suffer.

Another poster commented that it was funny to watch this and the downfall of celebrities, I find it extremely upsetting when anyone seems to be having a break from reality and especially when children are involved, it's not funny when it is Brit nor is it funny if it happens to be the next door neighbor. It's just plain sad.

I agree with 100% of your post. She's isolating herself, so there isn't anyone left in her immediate circle of people who will tell her the truth. Anyone that would have has been shoved aside by her. She's self-medicating because she's got some emotional issues. I don't know if its post-partum-type issues or personality issues or a combination of the two, but I don't believe that normal people self-medicate. I believe she's suffering and hurting and the only way to make it stop is to get loaded. The getting loaded has completed robbed her of the ability to make any rational decisions and her life is in the toilet. Not until she hits her own personal rock bottom will she she this and get herself the help she needs. Until such time as that happens, those kids don't need to be alone with her. I personally don't believe that having any visitation with her children will be her rock bottom. I believe she's going to have to have a severe overdose of some sort to make to her wake up.

 

[Clearly Confused]

I agree with 100% of your post. She's isolating herself, so there isn't anyone left in her immediate circle of people who will tell her the truth. Anyone that would have has been shoved aside by her. She's self-medicating because she's got some emotional issues. I don't know if its post-partum-type issues or personality issues or a combination of the two, but I don't believe that normal people self-medicate. I believe she's suffering and hurting and the only way to make it stop is to get loaded. The getting loaded has completed robbed her of the ability to make any rational decisions and her life is in the toilet. Not until she hits her own personal rock bottom will she she this and get herself the help she needs. Until such time as that happens, those kids don't need to be alone with her. I personally don't believe that having any visitation with her children will be her rock bottom. I believe she's going to have to have a severe overdose of some sort to make to her wake up.

What do you mean by self-medicating? Wasn't she being drug tested? I know of someone who acted just like her and the reason they pushed people away is so they don't hurt them. My friends son was
bi-polar and did the same thing. He ended up beating the crap out of his mother and those two were close as could be. After he came out of his episode and realized what he did he walked in front of a train and ended his life. I have a soft spot for people with mental illness and I think she for sure has something.

 

[IdahoMom]

What do you mean by self-medicating? Wasn't she being drug tested? I know of someone who acted just like her and the reason they pushed people away is so they don't hurt them. My friends son was
bi-polar and did the same thing. He ended up beating the crap out of his mother and those two were close as could be. After he came out of his episode and realized what he did he walked in front of a train and ended his life. I have a soft spot for people with mental illness and I think she for sure has something.

That sent a chill through me. Very, very sad. I have a soft spot for those suffering in this way, too. Someone close to me committed suicide when going through something similar.

Who would WANT to live this way? Britney's too far down the road to help herself.

 

[Clearly Confused]

That sent a chill through me. Very, very sad. I have a soft spot for those suffering in this way, too. Someone close to me committed suicide when going through something similar.

It is very sad and thankfully she didn't hurt the kids.

 

[lymom3]

That sent a chill through me. Very, very sad. I have a soft spot for those suffering in this way, too. Someone close to me committed suicide when going through something similar.

Who would WANT to live this way? Britney's too far down the road to help herself.

I couldn't agree more. At some point everything just seems to be hopeless, out of reach, unfixable. She has to get meds stabilized before she can ever be in a place that she can participate in her own recovery...if she ever can. She can change husbands, houses, cars, friends. She can make family come or go. She's done well with some music but that has been sporadic. What I am getting at, I guess, is that I don't see anything in her life that has been long term effort. Getting a record out is a few months of work or maybe longer but then you can slack off.

Most of us have jobs that we go to every day with a couple days off on the weekend. We have houses that need to be cleaned, kids that need to be fed and ball games to take them to. We do that ourselves. It's part of being responsible and being an adult. She's never had to answer to anyone. She's had the money...she doesn't like them, she gets rid of them. Maids can clean, cooks can cook, nannies can keep your kids at bay. What does she do all day besides drive around and buy coffee? I have no earthly idea.

She's not ever shown, not from my perspective, that she's in anything for the long haul; that she would be willing to put forth the effort necessary to help herself; especially when some of that means that she can't do whatever she wants whenever she wants. I hope like crazy someone can get to her and get her to help herself; to want to help herself. Poor kids, poor Britney...sad situation for everyone.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Can I please ask WHY her mother is going to Kentwood and not to Cedars to be w/ her daughter? WHY?

Also, I've said this before, but it bears repeating. This spiral, imo, began when she cheated on and lost Justin Timberlake. I think her mental illness was always there, but lying dormant in a sense. This seems to have been her trigger. She needs to deal with the loss of him. Do you realize how much this girl has lost over the past few years? Yes, by her own actions, but still...she's lost her first love, a quicky husband, Federline, her children, her mother, and the rest of her family. She has no one who loves her for who she is. Not for THE Britney former popstar etc, but just for being Britney. She has leaches she considers friends who hang on for the money etc and enable. But she is desperate for someone to be there for her and to love her. This girl has been screaming out for help through her actions. Yet here she is well on her way to being the next ANS. If someone doesn't get through to her this time, I feel she'll be dead by the end of 2008. IMO, she's a huge risk to herself. Instead of walking away from her and viewing her as a piggy bank, her FAMILY should have stepped in and done something MUCH SOONER. There is more they could have done, imo. And Mr. Timberlake is central to her recovery. jmo.

 

[JinxieJada]

Ok, I'm going to be the odd person out here. But couldn't this poor girl be suffering from post partum psychosis?

She's had two babies basically back to back, a couple marriages, an annulment, a divorce, flopping albums, serious family issues, she doesn't come from a moneyed family so even though she came into money at a younger age, she was never educated on how to handle it. (In all honesty, it reminds me of the Eminem/Kim situation)

Compile that with living in a fishbowl..whether self provoked or not, people are entitled to some privacy at some point and I don't see her having any...period. Close friends are no longer, staff is constantly changing etc. Her own doing? Probably most of it is. BUT how can she seriously trust anyone w/ how many times she's been screwed over?

I think Kfed and his legal team are jumping w/ joy over this latest development. I don't think he's the all end saviour he portrays himself to be either. He's out at nightclubs, even when he's not "working as the host" getting it on w/ HerpeHilton EWWWWWWWW. That's not safe for your kids -(to be mouthing all over that and then come home and kiss your boys goodnight?) Drinking etc. I don't see him w/ his other children always being photographed w/ nanny in tow, but I Almost always see a nanny present in the photos of him and their two boys together.

do I think she needs help? You betcha! Long term? Most definetly? Do I think it should be here? (In that states?) no way. She needs to go somewhere (comfortable) but relaxing. While knowing that she can still "come back" just as a stronger, more emotionally stable person.

Even w/ her issues, if she were to have stopped in the beginning and turn the kiddos over to FedEx, she would have been labeled a piss poor mom still. Since she didn't and is having a serious breakdown, she's of course a piss poor mom. (IE No winning w/ people it seems)

My concern is if she is told she is losing her kids indefinetely (IE however long it takes for her to become stable) that's it - it's over for her. Sick or not, I really believe she loves her children, just because someone is mentally ill, I don't think they should be stripped of them (children)

What else does she have at this point? I also think she's so far over the edge emotionally that she can't think straight. So those that are truly trying to help w/o gain (does she really have any of those in her camp though?) She's pushing them away because maybe it's a defense mechanism?

Anyways, just my thoughts - I don't see it as a publicity stunt, but the breakdown of someone who is truly lost, and hurting, and doesn't know what to do to breakout of the situation. It truly is heartbreaking.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

I think you definitely have a point. PPD is awful. I suffered for 9 long months. It was truly the darkest and most awful time I can remember. Britney went deep after having Jayden and this could be why. She never really carted him around like she did SP. Remember everyone thinking there was something wrong with him because we never saw him out? Postpartum Psychosis is a possiblity imo. I think she's always had a mental issue but it was triggered with the break up of JT. She then found Kfed and thought life merry and bright only to have him screw her over as well.
Once again, I'll say: HER FAMILY should have stepped in earlier. MUCH earlier!!!! She did not have to suffer this long.

ETA: regarding her being an awful mom, how the hell could she be a good mother???? She has NO ONE to teach her. NO ONE to model herself after. Her mother sold her out and pimped her for cash. This girl did not stand a chance as a mother.

 

[Jules]

But couldn't this poor girl be suffering from post partum psychosis?

I definitely think that is what catapulted her situation to what it is now. I think she suffered some after the birth of her first son and really went over the edge after the birth of the second one. With her not sleeping for days, the spacy/dead look in her eyes, her appearance (unkept, greasy hair, etc) - it reminds me a bit of Andrea Yates.

 

[SieSie]

I usually just pop in here, but the more I read and the more I see of Brit, I think she is suffering from a mental illness/total emotional breakdown/identity crisis/withdrawal/self-medicating. As someone else mentioned, she is supposedly getting tested randomly for drugs and those results haven't been plastered all over - just speculation. I would doubt that the speculation is true because Brit was still allowed contact with her boys.

Brit may have started out as a spoiled brat, etc. and her parents and others are enablers, but her world is crashing down around her and she needs help. Hopefully she can now receive the proper care instead of people coddling her and giving in to her every whim. No matter if she is a celebrity or not, she is a human being and it is sad to watch anyone suffer.

Another poster commented that it was funny to watch this and the downfall of celebrities, I find it extremely upsetting when anyone seems to be having a break from reality and especially when children are involved, it's not funny when it is Brit nor is it funny if it happens to be the next door neighbor. It's just plain sad.

:clap: :clap: I couldn't agree more with your post, especially what I bolded. No need to say more.

 

[JinxieJada]

I think you definitely have a point. PPD is awful. I suffered for 9 long months. It was truly the darkest and most awful time I can remember. Britney went deep after having Jayden and this could be why. She never really carted him around like she did SP. Remember everyone thinking there was something wrong with him because we never saw him out? Postpartum Psychosis is a possiblity imo. I think she's always had a mental issue but it was triggered with the break up of JT. She then found Kfed and thought life merry and bright only to have him screw her over as well.
Once again, I'll say: HER FAMILY should have stepped in earlier. MUCH earlier!!!! She did not have to suffer this long.

Thanks,

I remember doing some crazy stuff having some crazy thoughts. Self medicating was almost a godsend. I'm not excusing anything, I don't want anyone to interpret it like that. Just trying to get the point across that it really is like you're someone else. Sometimes you can totally rationalize and see that and others you're just too tired/wore out/drained to care/function.

She has NOone around her anymore. Yet, when she goes out to the bars, and drinks, uses whatever, she's someone. She has friends, the loneliness subsides, albeit temporarily but it does subside.

I agree her family should have stepped in. Especially seeing that they allowed her to rely on them so heavily. I also don't think her mom EVER should have sided w/ her FedEx. If you can't trust your own damn mom who can you trust (*I realize several of us cannot trust our parents for whatever reason. BUT I'm talking about her specifically, momma was always her manager, always there etc.) What a sense of betrayal and a shatter to oneself.

But IMO Brit got old, wasn't the media darling any longer, and JLS was of the age that "everyone was looking at her" Dollar signs seen once again, and Boom what do we have?

I hope that Brit gets the care and help that she needs and that they look at all angles not just that's she a druggie/drunk but WHY she's that way if that makes sense. I also hope that if it does turn out related to something like this, that people keep a close eye on JLS after she delivers.