All things Joe Paterno

[BeginnersLuck]

Kathryn Joosten for Dottie?

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Joosten"]Kathryn Joosten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Kathryn Joosten for Dottie?

Kathryn Joosten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ah, she died two months ago.

 

[BigCat]

Good choice, but he'd have to wear his hair longer.

He was wearing his hair long when he recently won the Venice Film Festival Prize for Best Actor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2200733/Venice-Film-Festival-Philip-Seymour-Hoffman-pays-tribute-Joaquin-Phoenix-BOTH-win-Best-Actor.html

I saw the trailer for the movie that he won the award for and he's really creepy in it. Anyone who wants to play Ol' Jer will have to bring a lot of creepiness to the role.

 

[Tipstaff]

He was wearing his hair long when he recently won the Venice Film Festival Prize for Best Actor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2200733/Venice-Film-Festival-Philip-Seymour-Hoffman-pays-tribute-Joaquin-Phoenix-BOTH-win-Best-Actor.html

I saw the trailer for the movie that he won the award for and he's really creepy in it. Anyone who wants to play Ol' Jer will have to bring a lot of creepiness to the role.

Kind of looks Dottie to me - just in case the part of JS doesn't work out.

 

[BigCat]

Al Pacino picked to play Joe Paterno in new biopic: report

"Rarely have I gotten so many emails on a story that has struck a nerve among former students of Penn State," Deadline.com reporter Mike Fleming wrote in an update to his original story, adding some self-proclaimed linked-in alums have threatened to "squash" the film.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...biopic-report-article-1.1156129#ixzz266zF0Zg2

lol @ "self-proclaimed linked-in alums".

 

[HMSHood]

Articles From 1982 Paint Joe Paterno As ‘Short-Tempered, Abrasive, Egocentric and Unsympathetic
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...mpered-abrasive-egocentric-and-unsympathetic/

Many of the articles stretch to nearly 3,000 words, and offer a look inside Paterno’s program, and how he interacted with players, friends and family. The picture it paints isn’t an especially pretty one

It reflected his arrogant, self-righteous side, his sense, as Athletic Director Jim Tarman once described it, “of living on Mount Olympus.”

Joe Paterno’s world is cut deep into the Allegheny Mountains, far removedfrom the big city, so he can operate without the scrutiny, and criticism, of the news media.

Joe Paterno is clearly thin skinned and rageful. He is the "800 pound gorilla".

 

[wfgodot]

What The Hell Is This Billboard At Penn State Trying To Say? (Deadspin)

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

With all due respect, none of youbhave a clue what you're talking about. Let the poor man rest in peace and crucify the real villain, Jerry Sandusky.

 

[wfgodot]

With all due respect, none of youbhave a clue what you're talking about. Let the poor man rest in peace and crucify the real villain, Jerry Sandusky.

Villainy is not limited to this case's obvious monster.

 

[Rlaub44]

Articles From 1982 Paint Joe Paterno As ‘Short-Tempered, Abrasive, Egocentric and Unsympathetic
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...mpered-abrasive-egocentric-and-unsympathetic/

Many of the articles stretch to nearly 3,000 words, and offer a look inside Paterno’s program, and how he interacted with players, friends and family. The picture it paints isn’t an especially pretty one

It reflected his arrogant, self-righteous side, his sense, as Athletic Director Jim Tarman once described it, “of living on Mount Olympus.”

Joe Paterno’s world is cut deep into the Allegheny Mountains, far removedfrom the big city, so he can operate without the scrutiny, and criticism, of the news media.

Joe Paterno is clearly thin skinned and rageful. He is the "800 pound gorilla".

After reading Didinger's columns about Paterno, I am struck by how little his view meshes with the feelings that almost all of his former players have for him. Certainly if most of his players felt about Paterno the way Didinger and Vic Surma do, the memorial service would have been far more sparsely attended, and Franco Harris' teammates would be coming out of the woodwork to discredit his campaign.

 

[HMSHood]

Villainy is not limited to this case's obvious monster.

An enabler is just as bad.

 

[Rlaub44]

I was reading the grand jury presentment involving the newest charges against Spanier, Curley and Schultz, and was struck by a section at the bottom of the page numbered on source as 18:

"Curley met with Sandusky in early March and instructed him not to bring children on campus. This ban was completely unenforceable. In fact, since only Schultz and Spanier also knew of this plan, no other individuals at Penn State or entities such as the police department would even be aware of the ban to try and enforce it."

So, is the thinking here that the Grand Jury is trying to protect the legacy of Joe Paterno with this statement, or are they simply being more careful than Freeh not to leap to conclusions that aren't supported by documentation?

 

[Twindad]

I think they are saying because it was so secretive, Corbett can't be blamed for taking so long to bring charges against JS.

 

[costalpilot]

Articles From 1982 Paint Joe Paterno As ‘Short-Tempered, Abrasive, Egocentric and Unsympathetic
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...mpered-abrasive-egocentric-and-unsympathetic/

Many of the articles stretch to nearly 3,000 words, and offer a look inside Paterno’s program, and how he interacted with players, friends and family. The picture it paints isn’t an especially pretty one

It reflected his arrogant, self-righteous side, his sense, as Athletic Director Jim Tarman once described it, “of living on Mount Olympus.”

Joe Paterno’s world is cut deep into the Allegheny Mountains, far removedfrom the big city, so he can operate without the scrutiny, and criticism, of the news media.

Joe Paterno is clearly thin skinned and rageful. He is the "800 pound gorilla".

it is a disturbing, dangerous thing when the media fails in its duty as a watch dog. the media was an outlet valve that did not work in this case. all powerful, he controlled the narrative. and the sports press folded. worthless. useless. letting paterno run over it like everyone else in happy valley.

shame shame

i would add this author was the only one. I read some of his articles back then, but he was ridiculed and ignored by the rest of the media who was heavy drinking the cool aid.....a remarkable dereliction of duty. there is no honor there. or very little.

 

[Reader]

I was reading the grand jury presentment involving the newest charges against Spanier, Curley and Schultz, and was struck by a section at the bottom of the page numbered on source as 18:

"Curley met with Sandusky in early March and instructed him not to bring children on campus. This ban was completely unenforceable. In fact, since only Schultz and Spanier also knew of this plan, no other individuals at Penn State or entities such as the police department would even be aware of the ban to try and enforce it."

So, is the thinking here that the Grand Jury is trying to protect the legacy of Joe Paterno with this statement, or are they simply being more careful than Freeh not to leap to conclusions that aren't supported by documentation?

Well, here's me and my 2cents..not to get into a big back and forth, but how can this later GJ be protecting something for Paterno that is already gone and after his death? I don't think so.....further to me Freeh did not jump to conclusions, they had evidence in these notes and emails of all the communication involved with these 3 and Paterno [and apparently provided them to the AG], so I believe that Paterno was told about the ban on JS bringing children by Curley at least, he was talking to him about other decisions and the one email indicates they changed their plan due to Paterno's influence...so I think he was told the decision outcome...but what would be the point to include him in this later GJ report? He's gone and he wouldn't have been charged anyway, he did report to Curley and met his legal requirement, if not moral one, and he did not lie to the first GJ......IMO....

 

[Rlaub44]

Well, here's me and my 2cents..not to get into a big back and forth, but how can this later GJ be protecting something for Paterno that is already gone and after his death? I don't think so.....further to me Freeh did not jump to conclusions, they had evidence in these notes and emails of all the communication involved with these 3 and Paterno [and apparently provided them to the AG], so I believe that Paterno was told about the ban on JS bringing children by Curley at least, he was talking to him about other decisions and the one email indicates they changed their plan due to Paterno's influence...so I think he was told the decision outcome...but what would be the point to include him in this later GJ report? He's gone and he wouldn't have been charged anyway, he did report to Curley and met his legal requirement, if not moral one, and he did not lie to the first GJ......IMO....

Thanks for the well-reasoned response.

My thinking is that if the grand jury had reason to believe Paterno was told about the ban, they wouldn't have stated that besides Curley, "only Schultz and Spanier knew of this plan". I appreciate that the GJ is duty-bound to find the facts that can be supported by the evidence, and I think that is why Paterno is not named as being aware of the ban - I don't believe his passing would impact the GJ's findings.

That was my point; there is no reason to not include Paterno as one of the people who knew of the plan; to leave him out of that sentence if the GJ believed that he did know would be a falsehood by omission.

And Freeh unarguably did jump to conclusions - many of his findings, since he didn't have subpoena power and couldn't interview many of the principals, begin with phrases like "It is reasonable to conclude" or "A reasonable conclusion is". I'm not arguing that they were all wrong or unsupportable, but I am pointing out that the Grand Jury operates under different rules than the Freeh commission, and to me it suggests that they didn't have the evidence to state that Paterno knew about the ban.

 

[Reader]

Hopefully, some of these questions and answers will be brought out in the trials to come....can't wait, wish they were tomorrow!

 

[costalpilot]

imo Freeh has got closer to the truth than will ever be possible in a court of law, which goes out of its way to ptotect the accused at the expense of finding the truth.

Freeh's conclusions were reasonable conclusions based on the evience he presented. The accused did testify, in court appearances,and in media statements. They werent going to say anything different to Freeh. A reaffirmation of their self serving innocent statements would have changed nothing.

 

[wfgodot]

Sara Ganim, who won Pulitzer Prize for Sandusky coverage, accepts job with CNN (pennlive.com)

Hooray, Sara!

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Sara Ganim, who won Pulitzer Prize for Sandusky coverage, accepts job with CNN (pennlive.com)

Hooray, Sara!

I thought she'd end up at the NYT.