Alleged abuse photos

[texasmommy39]

I think you are right on. If Crystal gets RJ I bet she will head for home...pack up the house and be long gone to who knows where. Both kids will be with her as she heads out.

This is my theory also, I have posted it on the theory thread. I hope everyone reads it and refocuses on the evidence instead of all the rumors

 

[Busylady]

The school did document cut to the nose. It does not take much of an impact on the nose to cause bruising, especially with a child who has Turners.
The 31 days is not accurate 9 of those days are after Haleigh went missing. Three of those days that we know of are days Crystal had the kids. The days missed are over a 5 month period.

I was trying to stay out of this aspect of the investigation but how can you not???

Look, Picazio said it right, I would not dare leave my son in the care of the Cummings. Crystal has the right to be worried.

31 days in a short period of time, is INEXCUSABLE, missed days from school. The photo with her face banged up like that is frightful. If this happened at school, then the school would be held accountable. Negligent, irresponsible reporting as to the injuries that were obtained by the child. It almost as though Cummings has had these folks there fooled and I do believe he pissed someone off and that is why Haleigh was taken. He has bullied too many people, repeated documented facts.
Children with disabilities cannot be out of school for 31 days in 3-4 months unless there is a serious hospitalization involved here.

 

[Jholi]

I know accusations of abuse are to be taken seriously but find it hard to imagine that us determining abuse or no abuse is focusing on bringing her home. I feel that it is inappropriate for the mother to allow the focus of finding Haleigh to be sidelined. Are we all so gullible to follow the obstructions she continues to provide instead of focusing on where Haleigh is and who has her.

I don't think the question is whether or not it takes the focus off finding Haleigh, because if it were discovered to be true that she was being abused, then that could be a clue to finding out what happened to her.

It's also important to make sure Jr is safe.

I think the real question is only how convincing the evidence is. We can analyze and speculate, but really can't know for sure, since we haven't heard it all.

On the other hand, despite my insatiable curiosity for any information at all, like you, I wish it weren't so publicly done. :sheesh:

(I still can't help but scoff at paternal side gripes about the maternal side taking focus off Haleigh after the paternal side's ugly sideshow of a wedding and honeymoon. )

 

[tehcloser]

This is my theory also, I have posted it on the theory thread. I hope everyone reads it and refocuses on the evidence instead of all the rumors

I think it would be far fetched to think that after all of the attention this case has received....that Crystal can get JR, poof vanish....and go live happily ever after with Haleigh.......

 

[Busylady]

In reading Art article it appears the pictures were taken the 12th by Crystals step mom - Crystal says she was picking up for visitation and took them by to see Johnny on the 12th. I do not know why Crystal was picking up mid week for visitation.

Apparently that's why this is called a rumor thread, anybody can throw anything out there with nothing to base it on and ignore all inquests...Ooops, what do you know, this isn't even the "rumor thread"...anyhow can anyone at least tell me if the pics that Crystal took were taken on November 16th? I would appreciate it -TIA

MOO

 

[LaLaw2000]

I haven't seen the chart or site to which you're referring, LaLaw. If it said she was absent, I would tend to think it was a clerical error, since RC, MC, and TN have publicly claimed she was there. If they were lying, it would have been easily disputed by the school, throwing the three into a very bad light.

Thanks, Jholi. I do not believe anyone on either side of this family 'just because they said so' and LE cannot afford to either.

I have seen the chart and it does look to me as if there is a partial U for February 9th.

IMO, it is entirely possible that Haleigh was not at school that day. Now that is just what I take it to be, and is my opinion. Thanks!

 

[Busylady]

Yes she was based on the attendance records.

So. Was little Haleigh in school on that Monday before she disappeared in the early morning hours on Tuesday? Thanks in advance!

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Could be but if your beaten bad enough to get bloody then there would be marks of some kind. Did the marks heal in an 11 day period? Crystal sees them every other weekend. If she is documenting a tiny bruise you would think she would document injuries that resulted in bleeding.

I was beaten in the face and bled from my nose and mouth. After the bleeding stopped, and the swelling went down, there was no *visible proof*, unless you looked inside my mouth. My teeth tore the skin inside my mouth. Oh, and my torn eardrum was not visible by looking at me.

I'm waiting to hear more about the *beaten until he was bloody* incident, BEFORE I dismiss it.

I didn't see tiny bruises. I saw a tiny little boy with switch marks.

 

[nnglas]

Thank, Jholi. I do not believe anyone on either side of this family 'just because they said so' and LE cannot afford to either.

I have seen the chart and it does look to me as if there is a partial U for February 9th.

IMO, it is entirely possible that Haleigh was not at school that day. Now that is just what I take it to be, and is my opinion. Thanks!

I see what you are saying. It does look like there is something there.

 

[Law_girl41]

The incident at school happened on Nov 6th? is that correct......ER Visit Wed. Nov 12, 2008 states no school 13th, 14th and 15th which is a Saturday & Sunday btw, who get a doctors note for the weekend? It took 6 days before she was taken to the ER for supposedly a assumed broken nose(HMMMM).....it took more than 6 days for the bruising to appear like it was 3-4 days old?? Nu UH!! ..... and pain/swelling to appear that would make a father think her nose might be broken so he better take her to the Er and get her a few days off school......it took 6 days to think it might be? Eh eh eh, and he's the better parent??? LOL

When my son was 4 years old he hit a stick and went over his handlebars....his nose was bleeding, plus a cut here & there, Scraped shoulder, elbow and one leg, he basically went flyin in mid -air. We took him to the Er that day, he got 2 stitches for his upper lip (teeth went thru his lip). He actually had a hairline crack in his septum, but the bruising didnt spread to his eyes like I see in Halieghs photo. He didnt need to miss preschool, and then I remember his scrapes on his nose & other areas were almost healed by day 5.


The need for a doctors note for just bruises & swelling....is weird. BTW, did this hospital visit to the ER, was there Xrays?

 

[Jholi]

I think it would be far fetched to think that after all of the attention this case has received....that Crystal can get JR, poof vanish....and go live happily ever after with Haleigh.......

Yeah. Same for her kidnapping Haleigh for custody.

In cases like this, the non-custodial parent is an immediate suspect and hugely scrutinized. And yet LE maintains that Misty is their focus. I'll go with them, since they have seen the polygraphs and tons of other things we haven't.

(Especially since that direction makes most sense to me too.)

 

[Law_girl41]

The school did document cut to the nose. It does not take much of an impact on the nose to cause bruising, especially with a child who has Turners.
The 31 days is not accurate 9 of those days are after Haleigh went missing. Three of those days that we know of are days Crystal had the kids. The days missed are over a 5 month period.

theres no school on weekends. Crystal didnt pull haileigh out of school. I dont see any of this totallity of days miss that indicate any of them are a result of being with their mother on visitation.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I see what you are saying. It does look like there is something there.

Thanks, nnglas, it sure looks like it.

IF Haleigh was NOT at school on that day, then I have major concerns.

 

[Littleone48]

Could someone look at the absent report and tell me how many of those days were Mondays that she missed. Thank you in advance. I can't make heads or tails out of it.

 

[snookie]

Is attending Kindergarten mandatory in FL? If not, then I don't see how she could be held back from first grade. Just curious.

As far as I know, kindergarten (5 year) is mandatory.

Pre-K (4 year old kindergarten) is not.

 

[Malini2001]

ER Visit Wed. Nov 12, 2008 states no school 13th, 14th and 15th which is a Saturday. It took 6 days before she was taken to see a doctor, why?

Incident said to of happen on Nov 6th which fell on Thursday. The school coded the incident to be minor injury. Cut Nose. If you notice there are two more lines below that and they are blacked out for what ever reason, you can tell the date is also 11-6, First black out info was around 2:35pm, I can not see the second black out line.
So, It took 6days before Haleigh was taken to a Dr. If she fell at school on the 6th and the ER note states incident happen on Nov 6, Why did she stayed home on the 7th unexcused, 10th unexcused, and the 12th unexcused even though they took her to an ER, might of been later that night. Then she stayed home unexcused on the 17th and 21st as well.



Out of the 6 days of school in Feb she missed two, the 1st and 5th. They show her missing 11 but they are counting the days that follow the day she was missing.

Total days missed in 6 month of the school year 23 days. Unexcused were 13. Tardy were 7 and Excused were 10.

I don't find 23 days missed that bad for a 5 yr old. Some children catch everything they are exposed to, especially if it was her first exposure to a large group of children. I don't know what the daycare arrangements were before she entered kindergarten but if she was not in a group day care situation, most of the germs she was exposed to in the 1st few months of school would be new to her and she would be highly susceptible.

Does excused mean there was a Dr.'s note and Unexcused mean there was no Dr. note? Most people don't take a child to the Dr. for an absence of 1 or 2 days, especially if they had a cold or something they would get over quickly without a Dr.'s care. If that's what unexcused means, it doesn't surprise me.


Just an fyi - February 1 was a Sunday, so either the chart is wrong or we are mis-reading it.

 

[LaLaw2000]

theres no school on weekends. Crystal didnt pull haileigh out of school. I dont see any of this totallity of days miss that indicate any of them are a result of being with their mother on visitation.

I also would think that it would be noted that Crystal would not be allowed to pick Haleigh up at school being the noncustodial parent.

 

[Jholi]

Thanks, Jholi. I do not believe anyone on either side of this family 'just because they said so' and LE cannot afford to either.

I have seen the chart and it does look to me as if there is a partial U for February 9th.

IMO, it is entirely possible that Haleigh was not at school that day. Now that is just what I take it to be, and is my opinion. Thanks!

Oh, heck, I wouldn't either! I just trust that LE would have made sure right up front, and if they had discovered the lie, alarms would have sounded.

But I could be trusting their competence too much, or maybe they do know they lied and are waiting to pounce later?

 

[kgeaux]

I hate to say this...and I know I will probably be eaten alive for it, but with the exception of the face shot, the others are just normal kid injuries. IMO.
The busted up face does worry me, but you should have seen my big guy about a week ago; bloody nose, two black eyes, bruise on his cheek and split lip. These things do happen and they aren't always abuse.

One of my kids pedaled his bike downhill at a campsite and ran face first into a tree at the bottom of the trail. He looked so much worse than this picture-----thank God, the people who saw him knew me and my husband, knew that we would never hurt our son.

Haleigh doesn't look like an abused child to me. She looks happy and excited: IMO, her bruises are the result of an accident.

 

[snookie]

Not sure if this will be helpful info. or not, but.....

Regarding Haleigh's unexcused absences:

How it works at my kids' school is they get 5 *freebies*-- days they're allowed to be absent without a doctor's excuse. The parent still has to send in a note with a good reason as to why the child was out. The only acceptable excuses are illness, death in the family, family emergency, religious reasons and a few more.

If your child is tardy, they will get credit for the whole day as long as they are there for at least half the school day (3 1/2 hours?). If you check them in after that, they lose credit for the whole day (unless you have a doctor's excuse).

5 unexcused tardies (or late check-ins) = 1 unexcused absence.

5 unexcused early check-outs = 1 unexcused absence.


Anyway, just saying that maybe Haleigh didn't actually miss that many days of school. Maybe she was just tardy a lot. If she was checked in late/checked out early over a certain amount of times (over the limit) with no valid excuse, she would've been counted as absent even if she was really there.

Might explain why it says she was absent on Monday, February 9 even though she really wasn't.

I just have a hard time believing that she actually missed that many (unexcused) days without the county taking a lot more action. Here where I live, they don't play.