Alleged abuse photos

[Jholi]

I don't think the question is whether or not it takes the focus off finding Haleigh, because if it were discovered to be true that she was being abused, then that could be a clue to finding out what happened to her.

It's also important to make sure Jr is safe.

I think the real question is only how convincing the evidence is. We can analyze and speculate, but really can't know for sure, since we haven't heard it all.

On the other hand, despite my insatiable curiosity for any information at all, like you, I wish it weren't so publicly done.

(I still can't help but scoff at paternal side gripes about the maternal side taking focus off Haleigh after the paternal side's ugly sideshow of a wedding and honeymoon. )

Thats very true. But why put it on national tv and the newspapers. Why not goto the people in charge of investication of Haleigh. It just doesnt make sense to me.

They did go to the DCF with this. This is the second time.

But again, I agree that the public display is bad.

 

[kikid]

The mark on the side of her head is her birthmark.

there are two birthmarks, both plainly visible in both pics I posted. Is there a third birthmark, or are you saying it is a very large birthmark that extends back into her hair, because if it is then that's news to me - but I'll gladly say I'm wrong if I'm wrong!

 

[LaLaw2000]

there are two birthmarks, both plainly visible in both pics I posted. Is there a third birthmark, or are you saying it is a very large birthmark that extends back into her hair, because if it is then that's news to me - but I'll gladly say I'm wrong if I'm wrong!

No, I see what you are referring to now! No, that is not a birthmark, IMO. Not sure what it is.

 

[scandi]

Well obviously we are not dealing with intelligent criminal minds.

Hi Texasmommy, For sure! And that bothers me here for finding Haleigh's sake.

the American public is very fickle as we have learned here. I'm worried they might stop reading about the case, stop sending funds with helping to locate her, etc.

With all the fall de rall of slinging arrows at each other like both parents are doing, adding in their both having being involved with a lower segment of society that involves drugs, familiarity with SO's and RSO's and a future RSO, they are not resplendent in any way. And from that they seem to be sinking fast IMO.

Haleigh and now Jr didn't choose their parents. Every plus needs to be at work to help Haleigh be found and brought home.

And little Jr, he needs some normalcy and stability now. xox

 

[kikid]

No, I see what you are referring to now! No, that is not a birthmark, IMO. Not sure what it is.

Whew, there for a bit I thought maybe I was the only one who saw it! Of course she could have had a fall off of a bike or really anything to cause the injuries I think i see in that first picture, but with all the stuff being brought up I just wanted to add this to the other pictures.

I don't know if Ron hit those kids, I'm in no position to say that.

I do know that families where abuse is sanctioned its generational and not really considered "Abuse", but called "Strong Discipline". I don't think if Ron has not abused the kids it will hurt to have the child protective services or LE look over Crystals "Evidence" and listen to the allegations. If I were Crystal and thought for even one second he could be responsible for Haleigh being missing I would fight without ceasing to get my remaining child from him. but that's just me.



Being backhanded, hair pulled, arms yanked or sqeezed & bruised, hit with sticks - flyswatters - or whatever was handy was not considered abuse in my family of origin, my mom considered herself a strong disciplinarian.

just saying

 

[RhythmicSun]

I am not saying RC hit his kid(s) but I did find it very odd at the time he responded to questions that he only spanks his kids the way DCF says is acceptable. As a parent, I never had to check what was legal and what wasn't. I just thought it was really odd that he would bring DCF into the discussion. He thought he was helping himself, but I think it actually hurt.

If RC knew what DCF's guidelines are, there must be a reason.

 

[KSH352]

Does anyone remember a comment being made that if Haleigh missed anymore school, Ron would go to jail?

Yes, that statement was said the first day after HC was missing.

 

[DotsEyes]

I see 3 scratches on Jr.'s arm and a bruise on his leg. Could be from anything. I was doing yard work yesterday and got that many injuries in about 1 hour.

Haleigh's fall was recorded at the school. The report has 2 entries for the same date blacked out. Hmmm.

Seems like a playground injury to me.

But LE and DCF will get to the bottom of this.

 

[Seahorseladydi]

ok... is this the spot you are talking about? ABOVE to the side of the birthmark?
(I did not see this at all at first... was just looking at birthmark)

I still think it is frosting on her fingers....

kids are kids... they get brusies ALL the time... I have taken child abuse classes (had to for daycare) these are not typical spots "abuse brusies" happen... but it has been 3 years since I took one of those classes.... things change...

 

[cajun]

Thanks, nnglas, it sure looks like it.

IF Haleigh was NOT at school on that day, then I have major concerns.

pirate said that she was in school monday the 9th

 

[Asker]

OK, then why did this chid miss so much school??

My guess is that because the schools are *supposed to* by law inform DCS of any indications of child abuse that perhaps Haleigh was kept home when it looked like she had too many bruises or other marks and things that couldn't be covered by long sleeves and slacks.

All of this chatter about DCS getting involved with the Cummings kids is really just making a huge assumption that DCS would or did follow up CS's reports. Ditto for the school reporting it. Yes, they are "supposed to report it" but it doesn't mean that happens with any regularity.

Keep in mind that the Florida DCS is the one that "lost" a child in the foster care system and still hasn't found her. Expecting them to follow up on every report is IMO expecting an awful lot from a government agency which is all the school is too for that matter.

 

[kikid]

ok... is this the spot you are talking about? ABOVE to the side of the birthmark?
(I did not see this at all at first... was just looking at birthmark)



I still think it is frosting on her fingers....

kids are kids... they get brusies ALL the time... I have taken child abuse classes (had to for daycare) these are not typical spots "abuse brusies" happen... but it has been 3 years since I took one of those classes.... things change...

kindof, here is where I meant exactly.

Is that her birthmark? I thought the birthmark was the small brown spot on her cheek.
If yes, then I apologize for my first post!!

and you could be right about the fingers!!! my daughter came home from school one day with bruised fingers - someone stepped on her hand in gym class!! so even if they are bruises I realize it doesn't mean she was abused.

 

[Seahorseladydi]

kindof, here is where I meant exactly.

Is that her birthmark? I thought the birthmark was the small brown spot on her cheek.
If yes, then I apologize for my first post!!

AHHHHHH........ ok..... you are seeing the dark dark color? in the hair....

her birth mark is the "peanut" shaped spot on her cheek.. on your pic above it is below the black circle and right on the cut off line at the bottom (you can barely see it in your picture)

 

[mommya]

From looking at the school record - between unexcused and excused and weekends - Haleigh didn't go to school for like 10 days after this incident. She went back on the 18th - and it happened on the 6th. (Is that right?)

Man - if that happened at school and they just note it as a scratch to the nose - that's pretty bad - if it was bad enough in the first place to look like that 10 days later.

I say something is fishy with the injury - IMO.

I wish we could hear more about the fall - like did Ron contact the school and say - "Everything seems to be a bit worse than was first thought - did you all actually see what happened when she fell?" (Did anyone - besides kids?) Keeping them updated as to Haleigh's condidtion etc..her little friends were maybe worried if she'd missed many days because of it.

I can picture that's what would go on at my son's school anyway.

 

[Tichad3]

Here's a link for some more info about the absences and doctor's and whatnot.

Fair warning, it's in a thread we had before Haleigh had her own section so it's A LOT of reading. But I made sure the info was there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81679&page=10

Most of the info is from Pirate...where is she today anyway. I thought she'd be all over this. I'm curious as to what she has to say.

 

[Jholi]

From looking at the school record - between unexcused and excused and weekends - Haleigh didn't go to school for like 10 days after this incident. She went back on the 18th - and it happened on the 6th. (Is that right?)

Man - if that happened at school and they just note it as a scratch to the nose - that's pretty bad - if it was bad enough in the first place to look like that 10 days later.

I say something is fishy with the injury - IMO.

I wish we could hear more about the fall - like did Ron contact the school and say - "Everything seems to be a bit worse than was first thought - did you all actually see what happened when she fell?" (Did anyone - besides kids?) Keeping them updated as to Haleigh's condidtion etc..her little friends were maybe worried if she'd missed many days because of it.

I can picture that's what would go on at my son's school anyway.

That is unsettling, for sure. :sheesh: If a nurse sent my child home saying he just had a scratch on the nose, and he wound up that busted up and needing a cat scan 6 days later, I'd be at the school demanding some serious answers.

 

[Pamela8]

most of the pictures look like normal childhood injuries. Also although the bio Mom had these pics taken, who is to say the injuries did not happen while the kids were with her?

When my oldest son was two he fell on my MIL's rug, hit his head, cried for a minute, no bump, nothing. Two year olds are always getting hurt. Well two days later my son's walking all wobbly, I freaked and took him to the ER. Ended up he had a mild concussion and kept overnight. I was questioned by nurses and dr's , made me "feel" guilty even though it was nothing i did wrong.

My 19 month old grandson fell the other day outside, had a very small bruise over his eye, now its all sorts of colors and alot larger, normal childhood injury. then when at my Mom's a couple days later he fell while running and tore half his nail off. He's ok but I'd hate to have someone accuse my daughter of child abuse for this.

As for Haleigh missing alot of school, my youngest son has Tourette's and associated disorders and he did miss more school than most kids due to his extreme anxiety going to school. It all worked out he graduated with high grades.

I hate that the bio Mom is doing this now, if she suspected abuse she should have moved heaven and hell to get custody of her kids, right when she first suspected something was wrong.

And for the Dad and girlfriend to get married now, weird timing.

BOTH parents should be just concentrating on getting Halieigh back right now. I would not be spending time on TV with allegations and marriage proposals, I'd be out looking and searching.

 

[Seifsister]

When my daughter was 4 she fell while running in the house and hit her forehead on the wood at the bottom of the couch. She had a big knot on the 1st two days. The third day it started getting black. She had 2 big racoon eyes for about two weeks. I still have the pictures. So I do believe this was from the fall off of the monkey bars. My now 20 year old son was very hiper and clumsy as a child. He always had black and blue marks all over his arms and legs, heck he still does now.

 

[Tichad3]

When my husband punched me in the nose...totally on accident, he rolled over in bed and got me....I just had a little blood when I blew my nose. It was a little sore but nothing major. Then 3 days later my neighbor comes over and takes 1 look at me and screamed.

Both my eyes were black and my lips were swollen. I have no idea why it happened after so long, but it did. Maybe I should look it up and see if it's normal with nasal injuries.

 

[RhythmicSun]

Man - if that happened at school and they just note it as a scratch to the nose - that's pretty bad - if it was bad enough in the first place to look like that 10 days later.

I say something is fishy with the injury - IMO.

I wish we could hear more about the fall - like did Ron contact the school and say - "Everything seems to be a bit worse than was first thought - did you all actually see what happened when she fell?"

<snipped on both ends>

This raises a big red flag for me. Kids don't stay out of school for several days because of a "scratch" and scratches don't look like that 10 days later.