Alleged abuse photos

  • #241
When my husband punched me in the nose...totally on accident, he rolled over in bed and got me....I just had a little blood when I blew my nose. It was a little sore but nothing major. Then 3 days later my neighbor comes over and takes 1 look at me and screamed.

Both my eyes were black and my lips were swollen. I have no idea why it happened after so long, but it did. Maybe I should look it up and see if it's normal with nasal injuries.

Funny because the same thing happened to my mom and dad. They put my dad on some new meds that made him jump around in his sleep. He jerked and hit my mom in the face. A week later when I saw them I was like wtf happened to you. My dad laughter and said I finally shut her up. lol he was just kidding though.
 
  • #242
I'm on the fence with those photos... Sheesh, I've got photos of myself from my Mother's archives that show me at Haliegh's age with all kinds of cut's, bruises, and band-aids. I was just a little daredevil, and got hurt from time to time. Getting hurt is like a little boy's job sometimes... Same thing aplies for my little sister... Lol..

Unless they've got true hard evidence for Crystal Sheffield in her allegations... they best start shutting up. Even the lawyer is starting to sound like an idiot grasping at straws. of course, I don't have all the information.
 
  • #243
From looking at the school record - between unexcused and excused and weekends - Haleigh didn't go to school for like 10 days after this incident. She went back on the 18th - and it happened on the 6th. (Is that right?)

Man - if that happened at school and they just note it as a scratch to the nose - that's pretty bad - if it was bad enough in the first place to look like that 10 days later.

I say something is fishy with the injury - IMO.

I wish we could hear more about the fall - like did Ron contact the school and say - "Everything seems to be a bit worse than was first thought - did you all actually see what happened when she fell?" (Did anyone - besides kids?) Keeping them updated as to Haleigh's condidtion etc..her little friends were maybe worried if she'd missed many days because of it.

I can picture that's what would go on at my son's school anyway.

I'd like to know more about those absences directly after this injury, also. It may or may not mean something, but I'd still like to know of any doctor visits, parent-written excuses to the school for absences, any diagnostics like ct scans, etc. Things that would support her being out for so long. In any case, you can be sure so much attention has been brought to it now, Child Services will have to look at it again, with a fine tooth comb, if they didn't already.

Another thing that seems curious to me, is that quite a few pics have been taken over time of her scratches & injuries. Why? I wouldn't think to photograph every bruise & scratch my child has had (even if I was a non-custodial parent).
 
  • #244
If the step-mom is a registered nurse she is required to report suspected abuse, so there should be a record of that report made by her on Nov 12th I would imagine.
 
  • #245
I'd like to know more about those absences directly after this injury, also. It may or may not mean something, but I'd still like to know of any doctor visits, parent-written excuses to the school for absences, any diagnostics like ct scans, etc. Things that would support her being out for so long. In any case, you can be sure so much attention has been brought to it now, Child Services will have to look at it again, with a fine tooth comb, if they didn't already.

Another thing that seems curious to me, is that quite a few pics have been taken over time of her scratches & injuries. Why? I wouldn't think to photograph every bruise & scratch my child has had (even if I was a non-custodial parent).

Crystal's account is that she noticed what she thought were unusual marks on Jr. She then asked Haleigh if she knew how Jr. got the marks. Haleigh replied, "Daddy hit him with a stick." Apparently she reported this to DCF and this/these incidents must have been deemed "within the limits of acceptable punishment."

One of NG's guests had the same opinion when viewing the photos.
 
  • #246
From looking at the school record - between unexcused and excused and weekends - Haleigh didn't go to school for like 10 days after this incident. She went back on the 18th - and it happened on the 6th. (Is that right?)

Man - if that happened at school and they just note it as a scratch to the nose - that's pretty bad - if it was bad enough in the first place to look like that 10 days later.

I say something is fishy with the injury - IMO.

I wish we could hear more about the fall - like did Ron contact the school and say - "Everything seems to be a bit worse than was first thought - did you all actually see what happened when she fell?" (Did anyone - besides kids?) Keeping them updated as to Haleigh's condidtion etc..her little friends were maybe worried if she'd missed many days because of it.

I can picture that's what would go on at my son's school anyway.

As far as the school incident, I can't imagine Ron not having some choice words for administrators at the school, when his little girl came home looking like that. If so, hopefully the school documented that also. That would be helpful to put it all in perspective.
 
  • #247
I copied the image, put it into photoshop, blew it up to about 400% and that is definitely a contusion on the side of her head. The fingers are full of frosting.
 
  • #248
And DFCS has never been wrong?

I did not say that. Per Crystal she has called DFCS several times, we need to find out:

** how many times she called.
** how many times an investigator came out to SEE the children.


If it had been *me* and I felt DFCS was not taking me serious or investigating a claim I made, I would have gone to their office with the child, or to the police department to make sure SOMEONE was taking this serious, but that is just *me*. JMHO

DFCS NEEDS to be overhauled in EVERY state!! That is why I no longer work with them. It is not "in the best interest of the children" as they claim. AGAIN, JMHO
 
  • #249
I copied the image, put it into photoshop, blew it up to about 400% and that is definitely a contusion on the side of her head. The fingers are full of frosting.
I copied the picture and blew it up 400% just as you said you did. I did one better I took the picture of Haleigh the one they gave for here missing poster and blew it up 400%. If you clearing look at both the side where you are referring to has and is always there. Its part of the her features. That clearly in IMO is not a contusion on her head. Its Haleigh features that have always been there and all DCF has to do is get a expect in the field of photo and it wouldn't be hard to prove exactly what I examined and they would also come up with the same conclusion I did. I have worked with photo for 20 years and I stand by what I just looked at and my conclusions.
 
  • #250
Clearly there are very strong opinions here in support of both sides of the family- I don't know if RC abused his children, I don't know if Crystal is using this for custody.

Can someone give me a good reason that benefits the children WHY these pictures needed to be released to the MEDIA? When RJ gets older, there are pictures of him bruised, with claims that he was beaten, on the internet. WTH? If Haleigh comes home, a picture of her with a busted face is plastered on national television. Abuse victim or not, that is embarrassing for these children.

If its abuse, go to DCF. Only DCF needs the pictures, NOT the national media. If its to gain custody to protect the children, show the pictures in court - NOT on "art harris" or whatever that tabloid reporting site is. No one is thinking of these kids.

Even best case scenario- that this was just childhood bruising- there still are these pictures up with accusations of abuse. How does that help ANYONE one bit? Please

I totally agree, Crystals attorney stated last night on NG that she gave these pictures to Art Harris. I just can not understand what good it will do ANYONE for these to be posted on the internet. :doh:
 
  • #251
I hate to say this...and I know I will probably be eaten alive for it, but with the exception of the face shot, the others are just normal kid injuries. IMO.
The busted up face does worry me, but you should have seen my big guy about a week ago; bloody nose, two black eyes, bruise on his cheek and split lip. These things do happen and they aren't always abuse.

*BOLDED BY ME

I agree. The face looks bad but could have been from any type of accident.
 
  • #252
I'm on the fence with those photos... Sheesh, I've got photos of myself from my Mother's archives that show me at Haliegh's age with all kinds of cut's, bruises, and band-aids. I was just a little daredevil, and got hurt from time to time. Getting hurt is like a little boy's job sometimes... Same thing aplies for my little sister... Lol..

Unless they've got true hard evidence for Crystal Sheffield in her allegations... they best start shutting up. Even the lawyer is starting to sound like an idiot grasping at straws. of course, I don't have all the information.

I agree these pics don't prove abuse at all. They will need sworn testimony of first hand accounts & medical records from Haleigh's reg. physician to make any kind of case at all. But, I still think CS is well within her rights and certainly her duty as Haleigh & Jr.'s mother to ask for an investigation.
 
  • #253
I agree these pics don't prove abuse at all. They will need sworn testimony of first hand accounts & medical records from Haleigh's reg. physician to make any kind of case at all. But, I still think CS is well within her rights and certainly her duty as Haleigh & Jr.'s mother to ask for an investigation.

ITA, kikid. The photos and all eyewitness accounts need to be investigated and evaluated. It's good to know that the lawyer is waiting for this to be done before proceeding with anything.
 
  • #254
I wonder who took these pictures, specifically the one with the black eye and facial bruises. I don't think I have any pictures of my kids with bruises like that, even though as boys they had plenty. I agree that most of them look like normal bruises, except that one. And the one of the arm that looks like the print from a hand is a little suspicious... but for the most part... kids get cuts and bruises from playing.
I think the lawyer said they gave other worse pictures to DCF. This whole abuse thing has started a firestorm, and it's going to get ugly now.
 
  • #255
ITA, kikid. The photos and all eyewitness accounts need to be investigated and evaluated. It's good to know that the lawyer is waiting for this to be done before proceeding with anything.

I can see if its true that the lawyer is doing what any lawyer would do and wait. Except that not all lawyers would plaster the pictures and the accusations on national news. With that aside if its proven it will be good for her client. But on the other hand if it isnt true and the way they fed this to the press the way they did it wont be in her clients favor . It will most deffently if its proven false work for Ronald and his lawyer benefit.
 
  • #256
I can see if its true that the lawyer is doing what any lawyer would do and wait. Except that not all lawyers would plaster the pictures and the accusations on national news. With that aside if its proven it will be good for her client. But on the other hand if it isnt true and the way they fed this to the press the way they did it wont be in her clients favor . It will most deffently if its proven false work for Ronald and his lawyer benefit.

I don't know anything about Kim Picazio. If she has a good reputation, I can't imagine why she would plunge headfirst like this unless she really believes she has a case. She will be ruined if this turns out to false. Would she chance ruining her career for this? I just don't know...

ETA: Maybe the witnesses who have come forward ( Ron's ex, etc.) are compelling.
 
  • #257
I wonder who took these pictures, specifically the one with the black eye and facial bruises. I don't think I have any pictures of my kids with bruises like that, even though as boys they had plenty. I agree that most of them look like normal bruises, except that one. And the one of the arm that looks like the print from a hand is a little suspicious... but for the most part... kids get cuts and bruises from playing.
I think the lawyer said they gave other worse pictures to DCF. This whole abuse thing has started a firestorm, and it's going to get ugly now.

IIRC, Crystal's stepmom (a registered nurse) took the photo of Haleigh.
 
  • #258
The school records show that she missed nine days in Feb after she went missing. Also 6 days in Nov would be around the same time of her fall at school


And it looks like from the records it shows she was present on feb 24th

So what about the other 16 days? I strongly disagree that because a child has Turner's syndrome that this allows flagrant absentism.

From personal experience I can attest to the fact that the educational system does not slack because your child has a disability.
 
  • #259
As I've said, I believe the innocent explanation for the Haleigh photo. But the lines on Jr's thighs, combined with the arm, are so classically known as signs to look for, I believe Haleigh's telling to Crystal that daddy did it with a stick.

As for why Crystal is doing all this... IMO, it's because she is a kind person, but like most pleasers, she is very weak-willed, has an strongly external locus of control (anyone can research its signs and implications), and waits for things or others to happen or do, rather than being proactive and solving her own problems.

Let's not forget that Crystal was a child (again) when she met Ron, and clearly an abused victim and not until she recieved the applicable support has she even been able to stand up to Ron. The minute she spoke out at about this on NG, Crystal was harrassed that same night. I have seen people harrass the lady on You Tube threatening her children because she is speaking out about the conflicting stories with the Cummings. There is a "group" of folks over there in Putnam who are mean and aggressive. I think Ron is "apart of" that.

She has made huge mistakes, and is still making them now, with Chad, and by allowing others to use her for their own purposes (Mother - where to begin? Attorney - her own publicity.).

Who hasn't....again she was a child when she had those two. She is a mother now with a beautiful baby and fiance and making great choices thus far.

I do believe that she had concerns the last few years about Ron's temper, but knowing he loved the children so much, she wasn't sure if he would harm them, or what signs suggested too much or ok. I think until Haleigh went missing, it was simply easier not to risk putting a lot of effort into proving something she was not sure of and possibly suffering the consequences of being wrong.

I think she may have also felt deep down that Ron was a better provider materially and did love his kids.

So she weighed that against things like we are seeing in these photos. I don't think she would even have reported them if her family had not pushed it.

But then... Haleigh goes missing.

I think it is perfectly fitting of her conflict/pain-avoidant personality to be in denial and want to avoid going down there until she could no longer hope Haleigh would be found safe in the trees or something.

YES!

We saw in interviews how she was supportive of Ron at that time (and even tried on GR) while her mother and cousin pushed the battle.

I think that after being in Satsuma the last month, Crystal has been bombarded with people in and outside her family telling her horror stories/rumors about Misty hanging out with SOs and drug dealers, leaving the kids alone, etc., and worse, not giving straight answers about that night.

Right!

On top of that about Misty, she was told stories/rumors like the attorney has described about Ron being horribly abusive. She knows he loves the children, but she also knows his temper. (ETA: She also sees him strongly supporting Misty and claiming to know what Misty did and did not do that night while he was at work - and even marrying her, trusting her enough to establish her as the permanent caretaker/mommy of the kids. :eek: I'd freak from that alone!)

I think it's understandable that a person of Crystal's character would react this way in that situation. Her daughter missing and who knows what else, sedated, everyone telling her she needs to act, including her very controlling mother (a story in itself) and a big name lawyer who's come to town framing things like she has, saying Crystal would be remiss if she failed to act now.

Absolutely! This child is a product of her environment. Poor Haleigh!!;)

...Ugh - sorry for the ramble. More than anyone wanted to know, but there's the basic gist of what I think going on with these pictures and the whole thing. :blush:

/ IMO/JMO/YMMV :twocents:
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  • #260
I don't know anything about Kim Picazio. If she has a good reputation, I can't imagine why she would plunge headfirst like this unless she really believes she has a case. She will be ruined if this turns out to false. Would she chance ruining her career for this? I just don't know...

ETA: Maybe the witnesses who have come forward ( Ron's ex, etc.) are compelling.
I highly doubt it would ruin her career. If it turned out false all she would have to say is that she went off of what her client said and gave her. As for doing it the way she is whether her reputation is good or not she seen a chance to throw her name out there and she took it. No matter how this turns out she will still get clients and her career will still carry on as it always did with the exception of her name would be well know by the exposer.As far as the ex being compelling. All they would have to prove is this ex has a axe to grind. It would be more compelling if a neighbor who is not related or was/ never involved with Ronald or hasn't any ties to Crystal and her family.
 

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