Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #33

[linette]

I've always thought (besides his kids) there would only be one person he would go through all this to protect.

I have to ask..... WHO??? You can't leave me hanging like that!!! haha

 

[Makara]

I've always thought (besides his kids) there would only be one person he would go through all this to protect.

Yep, me too.

HIMSELF!

 

[Curiousasacat]

I've always thought (besides his kids) there would only be one person he would go through all this to protect.

Mum? Would a son protect his Dad and risk losing his children?

 

[DunnoZo]

OT, I am feeling so lucky as I read Laura Mars' post, my 3 kids who are almost grown up, are all in the kitchen ATM helping with homework & cooking dinner! I try to cherish every moment, and am constantly reminded of this poor family who lost all that. sorry OT, it has been one of those days.
OT too, horrid accident on Raft. Gr. Rd. this arvo. prayers.

 

[DunnoZo]

I have to ask..... WHO??? You can't leave me hanging like that!!! haha

Daddy

 

[enthralled]

Have been skimming trying to catch up. Please excuse my ignorance and possible stupidity but was it caterpillar season when this crime happened. What time of year does the hairy caterpillar show it's ugly head in Brookfield?

 

[minni]

I dont think he would do it for TM. I DO think he would do it for sissy, daddy, or mummy. This hinges on him being raised in a specific relationship. IMO I think that it is possible that this family have a relationship like this. I am reminded of creepy Shakespearean stories....and dynamics of old royal families.

I recall at the very beginning that some posters (Berry??) and others had some very valuable insights into Rhodesian and South African family norms. This type of information would help to determine if he would think like this.

 

[Karo]

Have been skimming trying to catch up. Please excuse my ignorance and possible stupidity but was it caterpillar season when this crime happened. What time of year does the hairy caterpillar show it's ugly head in Brookfield?

November until October but they are fully grown by May.

 

[marlywings]

Have been skimming trying to catch up. Please excuse my ignorance and possible stupidity but was it caterpillar season when this crime happened. What time of year does the hairy caterpillar show it's ugly head in Brookfield?

Many Australian are familiar with the very hairy, processionary caterpillars that follow each other head-to-tail and form long chains in later summer and autumn.
The caterpillars are fully grown in May and ready to leave the wattle tree. Some travel up to 150metres from the tree before they burrow into the ground.

The caterpillars sits out the winter within the cocoon.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...bqc8Kt&sig=AHIEtbROIiLKaPvS0lSTh3EU0bd0DBNl7w

 

[Walk A Mile]

Dr Watson, my thought run along a similar line, but I like to play devil's advocate. Imagining he is entirely innocent and uninvolved, what would he do?

What would go through his mind when he realised his wife was missing? Not his beloved, cherished wife... His future ex wife, the woman he was already planning to leave. How freaked out would you be if the spouse you were planning to ditch for another turned up dead? Would he suspect his mistress? Would he think Allison was framing him? If he woke up at 1am and suddenly realised she hadn't come back and began to worry for her safety, would he reach out to another family member to ask for advice, or for help looking for her. Would he realise even then how bad it would look for him if something happened to Allison?

How would he compose himself when he realised he had to call the police, knowing they always suspect the husband first, knowing his affair was public knowledge and going to come to their attention almost immediately. Would the email to his mistress run through his head... The promise to be free of his wife by 1 July, made with the intention of leaving her but knowing if it came to the eyes of the detectives a different interpretation would be made. One thing is certain: he's going to need a lawyer and he's better off getting one ASAP. He's got to be aware that on paper he looks guilty as sin even if he's as innocent as baby.

Throw into that the pre-existing financial troubles, and suddenly a business that was already struggling is bleeding money and clients. He would have to try to keep it together, going against hope that if he somehow doesn't get arrested, maybe he can stave off bankruptcy.

He'd probably want to be on the ground, searching for her, but how? The police won't let him join the search and he can't face the Dickies, knowing that they're about to find out about his affair, that they are going to think he had a hand in the disappearance of his wife. Better to stay away and try to get things prepared for his kids in case he gets arrested and has to spend two or three years in jail while he tries to clear his name.

Everyone is telling him to make an appeal for her return. He doesn't want to. He knows he's not behaving like a man who has lost his beloved wife because he hasn't. He doesn't think he can fake joss way through it without coming across as insincere. He does it anyway, and immediately the internet lights up with one word "Guilty". He won't do it again, won't give them more ammunition, won't provide more gestures, inflections, turns of phrase for a morbid and hostile world to pick apart and use against him.

A body is found. They haven't identified it yet but come on... It's going to be her. Finances are getting desperate and how long is it going to be before the cops come back to interview or arrest him? Wait until it's official or phone through that policy claim now? He really, REALLY needs that money, especially with the fear of arrest hanging in the air.

If Gerard Baden Clay was guilty of adultery and poor business management, but not guilty of murder... Would he behave very differently to what we've seen?

IMO... Guilty. But I still like to try to put myself in his shoes and try to imagine what it would be like to be him if he was indeed innocent.

 

[marlywings]

Yup - that'd be another way to do it, although it may attract a bit more attention, as those roads are normally very quiet.

I mentioned the possibility of going further out then onto Sugars Rd and Kangaroo Gully Rd. But that's a long way round.

At that time of night I think the most direct and least noticeable route would be to turn off Moggill Rd at the McIntyre Centre, straight onto Mt Crosby Rd. You wouldn't have to be sitting in that right-turn lane at all. Straight in, I would have thought....

If you were to go from the BC's Brookfield house which route would be the quickest route you would take to Anstead??

 

[minni]

Dr Watson, my thought run along a similar line, but I like to play devil's advocate. Imagining he is entirely innocent and uninvolved, what would he do?

What would go through his mind when he realised his wife was missing? Not his beloved, cherished wife... His future ex wife, the woman he was already planning to leave. How freaked out would you be if the spouse you were planning to ditch for another turned up dead? Would he suspect his mistress? Would he think Allison was framing him? If he woke up at 1am and suddenly realised she hadn't come back and began to worry for her safety, would he reach out to another family member to ask for advice, or for help looking for her. Would he realise even then how bad it would look for him if something happened to Allison?

How would he compose himself when he realised he had to call the police, knowing they always suspect the husband first, knowing his affair was public knowledge and going to come to their attention almost immediately. Would the email to his mistress run through his head... The promise to be free of his wife by 1 July, made with the intention of leaving her but knowing if it came to the eyes of the detectives a different interpretation would be made. One thing is certain: he's going to need a lawyer and he's better off getting one ASAP. He's got to be aware that on paper he looks guilty as sin even if he's as innocent as baby.

Throw into that the pre-existing financial troubles, and suddenly a business that was already struggling is bleeding money and clients. He would have to try to keep it together, going against hope that if he somehow doesn't get arrested, maybe he can stave off bankruptcy.

He'd probably want to be on the ground, searching for her, but how? The police won't let him join the search and he can't face the Dickies, knowing that they're about to find out about his affair, that they are going to think he had a hand in the disappearance of his wife. Better to stay away and try to get things prepared for his kids in case he gets arrested and has to spend two or three years in jail while he tries to clear his name.

Everyone is telling him to make an appeal for her return. He doesn't want to. He knows he's not behaving like a man who has lost his beloved wife because he hasn't. He doesn't think he can fake joss way through it without coming across as insincere. He does it anyway, and immediately the internet lights up with one word "Guilty". He won't do it again, won't give them more ammunition, won't provide more gestures, inflections, turns of phrase for a morbid and hostile world to pick apart and use against him.

A body is found. They haven't identified it yet but come on... It's going to be her. Finances are getting desperate and how long is it going to be before the cops come back to interview or arrest him? Wait until it's official or phone through that policy claim now? He really, REALLY needs that money, especially with the fear of arrest hanging in the air.

If Gerard Baden Clay was guilty of adultery and poor business management, but not guilty of murder... Would he behave very differently to what we've seen?

IMO... Guilty. But I still like to try to put myself in his shoes and try to imagine what it would be like to be him if he was indeed innocent.

this is a good post Walk A Mile....because, innocent or guilty, either way, he's screwed!
I feel that maybe we think the same way to a degree. I spent possibly 1/3 to 1/2 of all the entire threads, trying desperately to prove his innocence. for all kinds of reasons.

 

[DunnoZo]

If you were to go from the BC's Brookfield house which route would be the quickest route you would take to Anstead??

I'd take Boscombe Rd, left onto Rafting Gr, Rd, bearing right at the Winrock St. roundabout. Right onto Moggill Rd. Thru Pullenvale , Right onto Mt. Crosby Road. There are other little (short?) cuts, but this most direct, IMO

not a verified local, but local and I can tell you I drive this many many times

 

[minni]

If you were to go from the BC's Brookfield house which route would be the quickest route you would take to Anstead??

quickest route would be Rafting Ground Rd, onto MOggill Road, Onto Mt Crosby Road

 

[Seeking]

Cancelled message as my 15 year old wrote a message on my behalf LOL!

 

[bellgirl]

I'd take Boscombe Rd, left onto Rafting Gr, Rd, bearing right at the Winrock St. roundabout. Right onto Moggill Rd. Thru Pullenvale , Right onto Mt. Crosby Road. There are other little (short?) cuts, but this most direct, IMO

not a verified local, but local and I can tell you I drive this many many times

I would totally agree with you DunnoZo.

Marly, I haven't gone out to Anstead/Karana Downs via Grandview Rd, Indromum would know if it's quicker than staying on Moggill Rd and taking Mt Crosby Rd.

 

[limoges68]

How revoltingly disgusting he is....was reading how he was giving TM his Commitment to her...my God....What a Wh...er.......and he was intending to leave behind his children to be with that woman.....nice bloke.
Oh sorry....this was out of the affidavit
I wonder what TM feel's when she thinks about the fact she was going to let a murderer(potential) IMO. move in with her and her young twins.....bet she's glad he's living elsewhere now.

I am new to this site, and i just want clarification of above: Does Toni M have young twins? I had heard she had a grown son, but had not heard about any twins!!! What was GBC hoping for- some ghoulish brady bunch family? I am shocked.

 

[marlywings]

I'd take Boscombe Rd, left onto Rafting Gr, Rd, bearing right at the Winrock St. roundabout. Right onto Moggill Rd. Thru Pullenvale , Right onto Mt. Crosby Road. There are other little (short?) cuts, but this most direct, IMO

not a verified local, but local and I can tell you I drive this many many times

quickest route would be Rafting Ground Rd, onto MOggill Road, Onto Mt Crosby Road

Ok thanks guys....I think I've found a little something & I can't believe I've not noticed it before now as I've posted info from this link a gazillion times....have a peek....

June 27, 2012

The police files included a map, similar to this one, outlining the route from Brookfield where police believe Allison Baden-Clay was killed, to a bridge over Kholo Creek, where her body was found

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz20lgW1R5m

 

[possumheart]

I am new to this site, and i just want clarification of above: Does Toni M have young twins? I had heard she had a grown son, but had not heard about any twins!!! What was GBC hoping for- some ghoulish brady bunch family? I am shocked.

:welcome: limoges68

 

[marlywings]

I am new to this site, and i just want clarification of above: Does Toni M have young twins? I had heard she had a grown son, but had not heard about any twins!!! What was GBC hoping for- some ghoulish brady bunch family? I am shocked.

Hi limoges68 & welcome...I read somewhere 12yr old twin boys...