Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #37

[Keentoknow]

I wouldn't rent it either, even if I wasn't a big sook - it's not uncommon for the crime scene to be visited and videotaped if there is a confession or deal made with the perp. Until the matter is settled completely your life could be turned upside down at any time.

It shows how upscale the area must be that they can (attempt to) command $460 a week for a colour scheme screaming late 80's and pretty scruffy looking overall. I am surprised Mr Real Estate wasn't living somewhere with hardwood floors and the theatre room he postulated fathers are expected to provide these days.

Like you. I am sure he would have had many other opportunities to rent something better.

 

[STELLA85]

I am shocked it's to be rented out, the owners were so adamant they wouldn't do that. The place looks awful and who on earth would live in a house where a murder took place, wouldn't they have to disclose that fact? I would feel weird inspecting the place. I'd be scared it was haunted.
Those poor girls :-( My heart truly breaks for them.

 

[linette]

I am shocked it's to be rented out, the owners were so adamant they wouldn't do that. The place looks awful and who on earth would live in a house where a murder took place, wouldn't they have to disclose that fact? I would feel weird inspecting the place. I'd be scared it was haunted.
Those poor girls :-( My heart truly breaks for them.

Didn't someone say something about the need to disclose things like that? I remember that from a while ago. Who knows, some poor unsuspecting person from interstate might jump on it without even knowing it's history.

 

[linette]

It's a hard one though, because the person who owns the home has a right to get money through renting out his property...even though it was said the childcare would be taking it over, but I guess that isn't happening now?
What would we do if we owned a home and someone was murdered there? It could be someones income, and the rental money may be much needed. On the other hand, I totally understand nobody wanting to live there.
Maybe the owner could sue GBC for loss of rental income due to the fact no-one will want to live there. {joking, but it would be good}

 

[LauraMars]

The kitchen does look tiny alright, and yes you'd think the owners/real estate would at least get the carpets cleaned.

I can understand why a lot of people would not want to live there, considering what happened, though I don't think that would really bother me. I think a home is what you make it.

I had a house for years which everyone swore was haunted, including me, my family, housemates and friends. I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts as such, though my daughter would say she would see a man (and there were no men living in my house at that time) - she described him as being like 'a man in a ghost', even at 3 yrs old, when I didn't even think she knew what a ghost was lol. So many very strange things would happen, even tenants who rented it off me later felt it. But regardless, we all felt the house had a really good vibe, and despite the many odd things that went down, I never felt scared there, quite the opposite.

 

[possumheart]

I work for an Endo.....I'll ask him.

This is the only analogy I can make and sorry if it is upsetting to anyone.

Animals for human consumption are much tougher when slaughered when stressed. Therefore the stress levels at time of death are discernable by a physiological change which must be linked to the adrenals. I have also heard of dogs bursting their adrenal sacs when stress/fight situation, but don't know what the correct term is. This may be of no use in the case of forensics I suppose, but naturally I got wondering if it was relevant.

:waitasec: I was thinking that a surgeon would be aware of this but I might be barking up the wrong tree.

Thanks Indro

 

[enthralled]

It's a hard one though, because the person who owns the home has a right to get money through renting out his property...even though it was said the childcare would be taking it over, but I guess that isn't happening now?
What would we do if we owned a home and someone was murdered there? It could be someones income, and the rental money may be much needed. On the other hand, I totally understand nobody wanting to live there.
Maybe the owner could sue GBC for loss of rental income due to the fact no-one will want to live there. {joking, but it would be good}

I think these would be current pics seeing as the family lived there for 6 years.
I do understand the owners advertising it again as it is a business situation for them. I wish I could find where the owner talks about the property because I thought they were "thinking" about their options of re-renting it or using it as a training facility.
What does surprise me though is that due to the houses history, I would have expected the owners to definitely spruce it up because I think right now they need to pull out all stops so that viewers might definitely be interested in renting it. I wouldnt be taking any chances of turning people off it.

 

[alioop]

So the inspection is only for 10 mins?

Yes. That seems not to be unusual for rental these days. I went to a couple of rental open for inspections a few weeks ago in Brisbane and about 20 people were waiting outside, then the agent turned up and everyone went through. It was very quick. I think the agent actually stays longer than 10 minutes but just advertises the small window for inspection so people turn up early.

 

[Keentoknow]

This is the only analogy I can make and sorry if it is upsetting to anyone.

Animals for human consumption are much tougher when slaughered when stressed. Therefore the stress levels at time of death are discernable by a physiological change which must be linked to the adrenals. I have also heard of dogs bursting their adrenal sacs when stress/fight situation, but don't know what the correct term is. This may be of no use in the case of forensics I suppose, but naturally I got wondering if it was relevant.

:waitasec: I was thinking that a surgeon would be aware of this but I might be barking up the wrong tree.

Thanks Indro

There is such a thing as Adrenalin Overflow.


After being exposed to severe trauma, either witnessing it, be in it, or fighting during it, our adrenalin rush goes higher then ever before.

The longer the exposure, the higher the level of adrenalin, and the continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present.

http://c-ptsd.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3628503-adrenalin-overflow-after-trauma-exposure

 

[marlywings]

I think these would be current pics seeing as the family lived there for 6 years.
I do understand the owners advertising it again as it is a business situation for them. I wish I could find where the owner talks about the property because I thought they were "thinking" about their options of re-renting it or using it as a training facility.
What does surprise me though is that due to the houses history, I would have expected the owners to definitely spruce it up because I think right now they need to pull out all stops so that viewers might definitely be interested in renting it. I wouldnt be taking any chances of turning people off it.

July 01, 2012

They sought a periodic lease thereafter,'' said the owner, who did not want to be named. "We've just been going from week to week.

"They haven't given us a date, as of yet, and we are trying to be considerate of their circumstances.

"But I understand Mr and Mrs Baden-Clay Senior are packing up with a view to moving from the house.''

The same owners have a childcare centre next door and, when the Baden-Clays leave, the house may be used for training rooms rather than being rented out again, she said.

Asked if she had concerns about how the property would be viewed because of its connection to the tragic case, she said: "I can't say how other people will view it. Certainly, for our own purposes, we'd be very happy to utilise the space.''

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...brookfield-house/story-e6freoof-1226413239229

 

[linette]

The kitchen does look tiny alright, and yes you'd think the owners/real estate would at least get the carpets cleaned.

I can understand why a lot of people would not want to live there, considering what happened, though I don't think that would really bother me. I think a home is what you make it.

I had a house for years which everyone swore was haunted, including me, my family, housemates and friends. I'm not even sure I believe in ghosts as such, though my daughter would say she would see a man - she described him as being like 'a man in a ghost', even at 3 yrs old, when I didn't even think she knew what a ghost was lol. So many very strange things would happen, even tenants who rented it off me later felt it. But regardless, we all felt it had a really good vibe, and despite the many odd things that went down, I never felt scared there, quite the opposite.

That is true, it would not bother everyone. I am also a firm believer in a home being what you make it.
I also lived in a home that I swear was haunted... I'm not even sure that I believe in that stuff either, but geez! There was one day when 3 of us all saw the same thing at the same time... a vision of a young boy who looked a lot like my then 8 year old son... who was at school at the time. We all just stared at eachother and basically said WTF !! Also, even though we didn't have fences or anything {not that it matters} but we had a total flea infestation that stopped on the would-be fenceline. Step over it, there was nothing. I guess the fleas thought there was a fence there? :floorlaugh:
There were other things like doors flying open, but hey, don't want to get off topic here. {Ummm, I think may have already, so...}

 

[linette]

Yes. That seems not to be unusual for rental these days. I went to a couple of rental open for inspections a few weeks ago in Brisbane and about 20 people were waiting outside, then the agent turned up and everyone went through. It was very quick. I think the agent actually stays longer than 10 minutes but just advertises the small window for inspection so people turn up early.

Ok, I'm probably thinking of the open houses for buying a house, not rentals. I know they go for a hour or more. I guess 10 mins is long enough to look at the place and get an application form.

 

[enthralled]

There is such a thing as Adrenalin Overflow.


After being exposed to severe trauma, either witnessing it, be in it, or fighting during it, our adrenalin rush goes higher then ever before.

The longer the exposure, the higher the level of adrenalin, and the continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present.

http://c-ptsd.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3628503-adrenalin-overflow-after-trauma-exposure

After reading that link re adrenalin overflow I wonder if that could be used in gbc's defence. Did he experience something shocking in his life e.g. how old was he when they left africa?

Personally I dont think that is an excuse but you never know what lawyers will throw out there.

It was very interesting, if I understood it properly, when it said that the length of the actual stressful experience can have an effect on how long the adrenalin buildup lasts. Could that also mean that depending how long Allison and gbc were full on arguing that night (if thats how it happened) could have an effect on how much strength gbc had and for how long?(re disposing of body)

Hope this makes sense or am I completely off track?

 

[Katie1Eighty]

well, considering the rent they have lost recently, perhaps they owners had no money to spend on sprucing it up. for the record i too am surprised by the shocking colour scheme of the curtins and carpet.

 

[LauraMars]

No doubt most people would think of Allison and her murder at times, if they lived there and knew, but then we all do anyway, but yes, I do get why many people would find it too weird.

Should we go to the chit chat room if we want to discuss spooky things? (Are we allowed to discuss such things in the chat room Marlywings?)

 

[LauraMars]

Katie, the curtains give me a horrible reminder of the dreadful bridesmaid dress I had to wear at one of my sister's wedding - salmon pink taffeta - it was late 80's, though even then I was appalled at the dress lol

 

[marlywings]

No doubt most people would think of Allison and her murder at times, if they lived there and knew, but then we all do anyway, but yes, I do get why many people would find it too weird.

Should we go to the chit chat room if we want to discuss spooky things? (Are we allowed to discuss such things in the chat room Marlywings?)

The chat room would be a good idea Laura...

 

[DrWatson]

There is such a thing as Adrenalin Overflow.


After being exposed to severe trauma, either witnessing it, be in it, or fighting during it, our adrenalin rush goes higher then ever before.

The longer the exposure, the higher the level of adrenalin, and the continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present.

http://c-ptsd.webs.com/apps/forums/topics/show/3628503-adrenalin-overflow-after-trauma-exposure

Not sure what they mean by "adrenalin overflow"....? Do they mean the normal secretion of adrenalin under stress, which boosts the adrenaline levels higher than in a relaxed, resting state? The person posting that doesn't seem to have any particular qualifications, and phrases like this one

After being exposed to severe trauma, either witnessing it, be in it, or fighting during it, our adrenalin rush goes higher then ever before.

The longer the exposure, the higher the level of adrenalin, and the continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present.

Acting out in anger outburst, isolating, taking your anger out on another, or doing the opposite, hiding it like it never happened, are all signs of this adrenalin overflow.

Sometimes without knowing one can reenact the trauma of the past, in the present.

are very generalised - in fact I'm not even sure what she means, especially the bit about "continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present".... huh?

And I think the whole bit about "without knowing one can reenact the trauma of the past in the present" is drawing a VERY long bow, IMHO. Adrenaline (to give it the English/Australian spelling) is a very short-acting hormone as I stated before. It starts to act very rapidly, both in the natural occurrence (your hackles rise, so to speak) and also when given intravenously in surgery or for something like anaphyllactic shock. It is also very SHORT acting - the effect wears off in a few minutes. If given I/V during resuscitation, for example, the heart rate increases, the BP rises, etc - but it all wears off in a few minutes and the dose may need to be repeated if the patient's own systems can't keep things going on their own.

The only way that I can think of adrenaline being involved in reenacting traumas of the past would be if the THOUGHTS of the trauma result in fresh adrenaline output. It would not be anything to do with the original adrenaline secretion.

And just re the slaughtering of animals in a stressed state is concerned, I am under the impression that the tougher meat was due to the breakdown of glycogen in the muscle due to the stress, resulting in lower levels of lactic acid which is one of the things that makes meat tender. Whether or not adrenaline is involved in the breakdown of that glycogen I'm not sure. But the point you make is a good one.

However, its relevance in the examination of a body that has been lying outdoors for 10 or 11 days is questionable....

 

[LauraMars]

Doc, would the "continuation of that adrenalin to be heightened after the trauma is no longer present" be similar to eg. when one gets a huge fright, but the heart remains pounding etc for a time afterwards, even once everything is ok?

 

[ellou]

As for OW, maybe she was just totally naive, but seriously, if your family was acting like that, the awful way they did, and still do, then why on earth would you be supporting them?

Maybe she doesn't support him/them since the bail hearing though.

MOO

she knows,no better....keep everyone happy...