Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #38

[clara123]

I hear you.

Probably just a random nutter.

 

[ollijack]

ALSO I have every respect for the police.....they are above reproach in my opinion unlike the legal system alioop

 

[BreakingNews]

It is true that our legal system is not what it could be. On Radio National recently I heard about the lengthy cases in Australia are unnecessarily dragged out by lawyers, who are the only ones who benefit. Unlike USA where cases don't drag out for years. They get done and dusted quite quickly. Imagine a murder case being over in a few months.

I am talking about the system here, not individuals.

 

[alioop]

I agree, our legal system needs improving. I think that we are moving in the right direction to make improvements. We need more judges for eg to get through more trials. Case management procedures have improved so cases get pushed along and judges do not tolerate non co-operation by lawyers or parties themselves. We now have a brand new Supreme and District Court in Brisbane which has the facilities to support more trials and support staff.

The trouble is serious crimes are increasing thereby straining our legal resources. More has to be done in early intervention programs I think to help avoid people entering the legal system in the first place. This takes time and lots of money, yet taxpayers don't want to pay more taxes so there the problem lies. Our new state government is cutting government spending like crazy at present, firing public servants and cutting government funded programs. I have heard that whilst for eg they are recruiting more police, they have made cutbacks in the support staff that train the police.

 

[they'll get you]

Have some faith in our legal system and the hard work of the QPS and prosecution who have GBC where he is now. Speculating about him getting off on a technicality at this stage and what Allison's family may do to him if that happens is not helpful or respectful to Allison's family.

In so many instances we see the police go above and beyond the call of duty, risk their lives, work tirelessly, to see the courts let the crims go. We see it every day.

Tomorrow's the day COUNTING DOWN

 

[ollijack]

in so many instances we see the police go above and beyond the call of duty, risk their lives, work tirelessly, to see the courts let the crims go. We see it every day.

Tomorrow's the day counting down

hear hear.....................................in my opinion only

 

[Maigret]

LOL thankyou too....it is so frustrating when people speak how they feel, their lovely and valuable opinions...and then pfffft.....so I think this poor forum needs our good solid intelligent witty and funny opinions.....umm earthy, I think that is what I mean....about GBC and Allison...am feeling very sad for Allison's father, how hard it would be for Allison's brother and sister too, knowing their beloved father's heart is broken...


Oh Rot In Hell Gerard....he will be crying his eye's out in jail today....feeling hard done by....IN MY OWN OPINION of course

I hope he is feeling very down today:jail:

 

[bearbear]

how sad for the little girls today too, i wonder if they will ever visit their father in jail.
allisons poor father will certainly also have a very heavy heart today. im sure having his three beautiful grand daughters there will be a comfort. i really feel for him.

 

[alioop]

I want to explain that when someone refers to our legal system, I interpret that as our whole legal system, which to me includes the making of our laws by politicians, the police who investigate and enforce the law by charging people and then the court system including the presenting of evidence by the police and the juries that hear the charges and make decisions on the guilt or innocence of the accused. Then there is the role of the judge in the sentencing.
It has many facets and involves a lot of people that all have a difficult job to do.

So if I appear defensive of our legal system by suggesting have some faith in it, I am talking about this whole system generally and just not what the courts do. I don't mean to offend anyone at all. It is the only system we have, and whether someone has faith in it or not, it doesn't really matter.

 

[BreakingNews]

I agree, our legal system needs improving. I think that we are moving in the right direction to make improvements. We need more judges for eg to get through more trials. Case management procedures have improved so cases get pushed along and judges do not tolerate non co-operation by lawyers or parties themselves. We now have a brand new Supreme and District Court in Brisbane which has the facilities to support more trials and support staff.

The trouble is serious crimes are increasing thereby straining our legal resources. More has to be done in early intervention programs I think to help avoid people entering the legal system in the first place. This takes time and lots of money, yet taxpayers don't want to pay more taxes so there the problem lies. Our new state government is cutting government spending like crazy at present, firing public servants and cutting government funded programs. I have heard that whilst for eg they are recruiting more police, they have made cutbacks in the support staff that train the police.

Sorry, but this is getting OT. However I think you missed my point. Yes I agree with the strains on the support system, but what I meant was how the court process is dragged out. eg the system of going for mention, going back for whatever GBC is going back for tomorrow, then trial, sentencing and all the delays and deferments. This is the guts of the system problem.

 

[alioop]

I see what you mean BN, the court process is a long one. I totally agree. I think that it is to try to achieve a fair and open process. The mentions for example are to ensure the prosecution is doing the right thing by handing over all the material the defence is entitled to and that the process of preparing for committal is progressing as it should so that there are no excuses for unreasonable delays.

Committals are to see if there is sufficient evidence to go to a trial. They can go for a long time too. Then the waiting for a trial. All means a long time. It would be terrible for an innocent person to have to go through this, especially if they are waiting in jail.

On the other extreme, there are countries that have a very quick process that many in our society find abhorrent. Someone is accused of a crime, dragged before some legal "court" and 2 hours later they are beheaded.

It is the difference in "legal systems" and I don't know the answers to get the right balance to try to achieve justice.

 

[Tishy]

Maybe, but they rented that house over 6 years ago from memory of MSM reports. We don't know what was happening that long ago. Their youngest daughter wasn't even born then I think. The affair with TM didn't go back that far, though he may have been having other affairs then.

I think it more likely that property was chosen as it was close to the school, in expensive Brookfield and one of the cheapest 4 bedroom rental houses available at the time, same as it is now.

Good morning, I thought it was mentioned or discussed in an earlier post and in MSM (please excuse Learner, so finding quotes is beyond me just yet!) that the affair with TM began just after the birth of youngest daughter and the poster speculated that it was possibly a reaction to not having a son. I thought at the time that only a complete $&#%rd would be off sniffing around other women when your wife has just had a baby. That would just destroy you. IMO.

 

[marlywings]

This is starting to veer off the edge again. May I suggest if anyone would like to discuss the court processes they take it to this thread which Summer set up some time back.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178140"]Australian Law and Courts - The details - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Amee]

Mr Baden-Clay's mistress Toni McHugh, who was named in court as having a long-term relationship with Mr Baden-Clay, was mentioned in the documents as having told police their affair began in 2008.

Police allege Ms McHugh said their relationship ended in October 2011, when Mrs Baden-Clay discovered the affair, but resumed in December of that year.

Police investigations allegedly found Mr Baden-Clay had "extra-marital affairs with at least three women" since 2008.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...lice-allege-20120626-2102n.html#ixzz25HYPVjmz

 

[The Observer]

I remain curious about the bomb hoax at the court that day, and the possibility of knowledge or involvement of other family members in the death.

I also think that the Dickies have the girls mental health covered (as far as that is possible) and I find OW's silence deafening given her past history.

Does anyone have any further knowledge on the bomb scare at court that day?

I too was super curious, but I just can't see what any GBC supporter, family or otherwise, would gain from such a thing. I've concluded IMO that it probably has nothing to do with him. Just MOO of course.

how sad for the little girls today too, i wonder if they will ever visit their father in jail.
allisons poor father will certainly also have a very heavy heart today. im sure having his three beautiful grand daughters there will be a comfort. i really feel for him.

I have pondered this also. I mean in the eyes of the law he is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, therefore I cannot see why he would not be allowed to a visit with the girls. (Unless not permitted by court/remand cente). I wonder if that was part of OW coming to town so much before the commital mention to partition on behalf of GBC!? Just a thought.

Heinous situation for the Dickies to be in.

 

[they'll get you]

OT a question in general for a someone qualified. What would the damage be for children (any children) visiting their father in gaol as opposed to never visiting?

2morrows the day for ANY news COUNTING DOWN

 

[they'll get you]

What was IT thinking??? I'll KILL the mother of my 3 children, pay back my debts and LIVE happily ever after with my one of my fav SCANKS!

DOH! Do ya fink I'll get away wif it? DOH!

Another murder based on money......OMG how pathetic

 

[BreakingNews]

OT a question in general for a someone qualified. What would the damage be for children (any children) visiting their father in gaol as opposed to never visiting?

2morrows the day for ANY news COUNTING DOWN

I doubt there is just one answer to your question. It would depend of the child/ren involved and their ages and of course their feelings towards their father. If there was domestic violence in the household generally, maybe the girls witnessed this or were on the receiving end of it at times. When I worked with kids in the NT, all these types of issues were considered. But a child would NEVER have been made to have contact if that child did not want to.

 

[BreakingNews]

Is anyone from WS going to the court tomorrow and could keep us posted?

 

[CouchCop]

Just having a belated catch up here and read some of the comments about the drawing of TM's house in the diary/journal. Could it be that the daughters would at time be staying over at TM's and Allison wanted to know the layout. I know if my children were staying with ex and new g/friend that I would want to know about sleeping arrangements etc. Just a thought.