Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #38

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  • #381
If GBC did draw the map in Alison's diary ,why did he leave it for the police to find . He told the police the next morning that the affair had finished long ago , yet the diary shows it hadn't finished . Any ideas on this ? Had Alison hidden it and in his panic he couldn't find the diary ?

I am being lazy here not going back through previous threads. If her diary was left out in a non concealed area - you would be running the risk of her children reading diary entries regarding the affair etc. Just seems odd that if it was left in an open area - hoping the police may find it. Confusing !!
 
  • #382
I have wondered about the diary for some time. If it was a personal diary where she expressed her feelings, as opposed to my diary where I just keep appointments and notes of things to remember, would he have not wanted it found if he is responsible for her death. It could have lots of info in it about previous violence for example.

Maybe he couldn't find it, or in his panic didn't think of it. If he had time to dispose of the phone he could have disposed of the diary.

i wonder about the diary too, but maybe the marriage counsellor suggested she get a diary or exercise book to write her thoughts and questions down as they came up each day, to discuss at the weekly meetings, so she could remember them and ask gbc in a safe environment. so maybe it wasnt such a private diary, but more like a homework journal which gbc knew about?
 
  • #383
I wonder if anything on his phone (location services or something) puts him near Kholo Creek bridge in the days or weeks before Allison was murdered? Even if he had been in the area in the past, to attempt to park a car there at night would be really difficult with long grass everywhere etc you wouldn't know where the ground suddenly dropped off etc. and he was in the captiva which I don't think is a 4wd? Reckon he would have previously scoped out a place to park and dump the body. iMO

im not sure, but i think there was an early msm report when allison was found that gbc had sold or listed a house in the area or was it police had attended a house there on occasion? someone here will know hopefully.
 
  • #384
I feel that the night's events were as a result of a horrible argument gone wrong, however I do believe that GBC was planning to 'get rid' of Allison - just later down the track. So LollyPop, your thoughts about whether he could be traced back to being in the area prior to that terrible night are very interesting. As you said, maybe he had explored the area days or weeks before.

I also agree with you about the Crossing and I have my doubts that this would have been a place that GBC checked out to dispose of Allison's body or chose as the drop off point on the actual night. It would have been a massive risk to attempt to park a car in the long, bushy grass at night - not knowing if the ground would drop or if there were any obstacles hidden in front of him. It can also be quite a boggy area - from first hand experience! IMO if GBC explored places prior, they would have been areas that were more hidden, such as up Ugly Creek a bit, off Wirrabarra Rd. This is also where I feel he took her on that awful night.

My sister has a CX diesel Captiva and it's a 4WD (all wheel drive I think) but it's not a very high 4WD. I couldn't see my Brother-in-Law confidently driving it through long grass, near banks and creeks in the dark. Then again, maybe GBC was really stupid and loved a risk.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts LollyPop. It's interesting to hear everyone's ideas and opinions :) Can't wait for some new info too - it's been a long time waiting.

maybe he had very recently driven to the area and scoped it out on foot, and felt the solidness of the ground underfoot, and in the process been bitten by caterpillars? then days later, when covered in scratches hoped he could still blame caterpillars?
 
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  • #386
i havent read this before, i thought police said they believed allison was killed at home?

Police forensic experts are now working to discover how the 43-year-old Brisbane mother died.

They have yet to determine whether Mrs Baden-Clay was alive when she was taken into Mt Crosby bushland almost two weeks ago.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8460489/brisbane-man-hires-second-lawyer-after-wifes-body-found

Bearbear that video is from a day or two after Allison's body was found.

From the affidavit...

June 27, 2012

Mr Baden-Clay reported his wife missing through a triple-0 call on April 20. The 41-year-old real estate agent has since been charged with Mrs Baden-Clay's murder at their Brookfield home on April 19.

He has also been charged with interfering with her body, by moving her to the creek where she was found

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz255AAF2DJ
 
  • #387
I'm sure I read earlier that the houseplan was on a loose piece of paper inserted into her diary . It is possible he did not know of the existence of that diary . Why it was there I can't work out either .

Snap chief! Although I'd not heard that this was on a piece of paper, I was going to suggest that maybe it was, maybe she found it and put it there or maybe it was to do with their counseling and she kept it and placed in the diary?
I think that it's really possible that he knew nothing of the diary - I sure hope so anyways.
 
  • #388
Bearbear that video is from a day or two after Allison's body was found.

From the affidavit...

June 27, 2012

Mr Baden-Clay reported his wife missing through a triple-0 call on April 20. The 41-year-old real estate agent has since been charged with Mrs Baden-Clay's murder at their Brookfield home on April 19.

He has also been charged with interfering with her body, by moving her to the creek where she was found

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...d-badenclay-20120626-210bz.html#ixzz255AAF2DJ

ok, thanks for that. i was reading old msm reports trying to find the one where its stated that gbc had a house listed by where allison was found or that police knew the area as had often been called to a house there, i just cant remember what it was!! frustrating, and a lot of earlier msm reports are now missing.
 
  • #389
I have wondered about the diary for some time. If it was a personal diary where she expressed her feelings, as opposed to my diary where I just keep appointments and notes of things to remember, would he have not wanted it found if he is responsible for her death. It could have lots of info in it about previous violence for example.

Maybe he couldn't find it, or in his panic didn't think of it. If he had time to dispose of the phone he could have disposed of the diary.

I'm of the opinion/assumption the diary was the idea of the counsellor. A way for Allison to vent feelings/thoughts that they then possibly discussed in therapy.

i wonder about the diary too, but maybe the marriage counsellor suggested she get a diary or exercise book to write her thoughts and questions down as they came up each day, to discuss at the weekly meetings, so she could remember them and ask gbc in a safe environment. so maybe it wasnt such a private diary, but more like a homework journal which gbc knew about?

Agreed :D

I think he knew about the diary. I just think that things escalated so fast that night that he didnt have time to even consider the diary to be honest. I dont beleive it was 'planned' for that night. IMO.

Re: The drawing of TM's house. I wonder if Allison wanted details, full disclosure in a sense, and it was done in therapy and she kept it. Some women want all the details when an affair is found out others dont. IMO Allison wanted all the details, after all this was not an 'affair' but a full fledged relationship.
 
  • #390
I too have wondered why there was a map of the house TM lived in. Why would Allison have it and why was it drawn in the first place?
Did gbc draw it, whilst making plans to get rid of TM instead of Allison? If he owed TM a substantial amount of money and if she was putting pressure on him to pay it back now or leave Allison? Could he have thought she had become a huge liability so he would get rid of her. After all we know he already had two others to take her place.
Did Allison find his map and other info that made her realize he was thinking of doing something like that. She confronts him and then unfortunately becomes the victim instead of TM.
This is all pure speculation on my part. Am I really losing the plot now lol
 
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Here is a pic of OW pointing to her forehead. I didn't take the screen capture but it does look like it was taken from the video that is being searched for at the moment. From memory that particular video was labelled The full Gerard Baden-Clay interview. I've Googled for ages trying to find it without success. The pic of OW is associated with the link below.

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ry-disappearance/story-e6freoof-1226338290711

Thanks to Marlywizz, who has found us the video where OW points to her head and says GBC fell over. It is the one called "Brisbane mother still missing" and is 1.33 minutes, channel 7. I think Makara's picture is taken by a different camera than the video as OW is orientated differently to the video. But it is the same interview. She points up high on the left side of her forehead. GBC's apparent bandaid is on the top right of his forehead, but I think OW is referring to it as she is not being specific in where the "injury" was on GBC just pointing to her own forehead generally.
 
  • #393
I too have wondered why there was a map of the house TM lived in. Why would Allison have it and why was it drawn in the first place?
Did gbc draw it, whilst making plans to get rid of TM instead of Allison? If he owed TM a substantial amount of money and if she was putting pressure on him to pay it back now or leave Allison? Could he have thought she had become a huge liability so he would get rid of her. After all we know he already had two others to take her place.
Did Allison find his map and other info that made her realize he was thinking of doing something like that. She confronts him and then unfortunately becomes the victim instead of TM.
This is all pure speculation on my part. Am I really losing the plot now lol

yes, imagine if gbc had been planning to kill tm all along to get her off his back, and allison found out and threatened to tell. it puts another angle on it doesnt it?
 
  • #394
Finally found it....

The elusive video of Olivia Walton telling the world GBC "bumped his head when he fell over".

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/queensland/?q=baden+clay

Thank you Marly, you're gem.

OW's last sentence at about 1:24 of that video says a lot in my opinion.

"She was my beautiful sister-in-law, the mother of my gorgeous nieces...."

OW refers to Allison in the past tense! That video was published on 25 April, five days before Allison was found. No one positively knew at that stage (except of course the murderer and any accomplices) that Allison was dead.

IMO If a family member or loved one was missing I certainly would not be referring to them in the past tense. I would be holding out all hope that they would be found safe and well.

BBM.
 
  • #395
Good pick Makara. Yes she does refer to Allison in the past tense, but also the tone of her voice is very low. She is more animated in her next sentence in contrast.
 
  • #396
Finally found it....

The elusive video of Olivia Walton telling the world GBC "bumped his head when he fell over".

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/queensland/?q=baden+clay

Thank you Marly for finding the video of Olivia discussing the injuries to GBCs head.

I did not think that they were solar keratosis as he had one on his elbow as well and the keratosis would not have disappeared in time for the funeral. They would still be there today.
 
  • #397
Thank you Marly, you're gem.

OW's last sentence at about 1:24 of that video says a lot in my opinion.

"She was my beautiful sister-in-law, the mother of my gorgeous nieces...."

OW refers to Allison in the past tense! That video was published on 25 April, five days before Allison was found. No one positively knew at that stage (except of course the murderer and any accomplices) that Allison was dead.

IMO If a family member or loved one was missing I certainly would not be referring to them in the past tense. I would be holding out all hope that they would be found safe and well.

BBM.

I just watched and yes that's a bit weird and indicative of the involvement of that family
 
  • #398
Thank you Marlywings for finding and posting that video.
The police said they did not advise gbc to stay away from the command post, yet ow states they did.
If the police definitely didnt advise this, it sure looks like lying may come quite easy to the baden-clay family, as that statement seemed to roll quite easily from ow's lips.
 
  • #399
Thank you Marlywings for finding and posting that video.
The police said they did not advise gbc to stay away from the command post, yet ow states they did.
If the police definitely didnt advise this, it sure looks like lying may come quite easy to the baden-clay family, as that statement seemed to roll quite easily from ow's lips.

Enthralled, I think OW said "He's been advised to stay away." I don't think she said the police said that. Probably was his lawyer.
 
  • #400
Enthralled, I think OW said "He's been advised to stay away." I don't think she said the police said that. Probably was his lawyer.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake BreakingNews. Sorry about that everyone.
Wondering why his lawyer would advise a grieving husband to stay away from the command post?? Or did they also have doubts about his innocence?
 
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