Allison Baden-Clay - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD #41

[they'll get you]

I often wonder of a different outcome if -

JUST IMAGINE IF GBC SAID HE & THE FAMILY WERE SEARCHINGALL NIGHT FOR ALLISON AND WASN'T ASLEEP what a different outcome this all would be
It would have explained the activity at the roundabout & bridge, the facetime call, the phone charger, the scratches, family involvement..... everything! Oh he must have panicked in front of the police which makes me think it was not premeditated because THEY COULD HAVE HAD A BRILLIANT EXPLAINATION OF THE NIGHT'S ACTIVITIES and a total change of the outcome.
Then in the morning after the texts and 000 call 'she was upset/depressed, we argued, she took off and I alerted the family and we've been searching all night for my beloved wife'

BUT HE SAID HE WAS ASLEEP doh


KICK YOURSELF ALL THE WAY TO THE MARCH COMMITTAL GBC

 

[LadyBird1]

Yep they surely did...packed up & headed out...

Apr 27, 2012 (Three days before Allison's body was found)

@.30 His family set off believed to be headed north out of town

@1.32 Allison's in-law family packed their cars & set off.

Missing mother - YouTube

Thank-you or posting this video link.
Is this incriminating or what?
The mouth says one thing but the actions say another.
Puts a whole new meaning onto priorities and how different people view them.
On the one hand the community is doing all that is humanly possible to find Allison. Through rain, heartache and possible perils.
On the other hand, this family is doing it's own thing. Packing up and heading north for a holiday.
Ummm, what about Allison? What about helping the searchers. What about using the media to help find Allison.

 

[Liadan]

Sounds like she was warned to SHUT IT UP maybe that's why she ran like a scalded cat from the evil media no more bloopers:moo:

EXACTLY!!!! I was thinking the same thing!

OW tries to use her wonderful skills to bring the media onside and the next thing you know she too is running like a scalded cat! (it makes me laugh TGY) I wonder if this happened after GBC lawyered up and was told to put up and shut up!

 

[they'll get you]

EXACTLY!!!! I was thinking the same thing!

OW tries to use her wonderful skills to bring the media onside and the next thing you know she too is running like a scalded cat! (it makes me laugh TGY) I wonder if this happened after GBC lawyered up and was told to put up and shut up!

DAMAGE CONTROL

CAN IMAGINE LAWYERS SAYING...."SHUT UP AND GIVE US TIME TO THINK OF SOMETHING! OH & SHUT UP THAT <modsnip> SISTER OF YOURS, BETTER STILL JUST <modsnip> OFF SOMEWHERE, YEP THE WHOLE DANG LOTTA YA!"

AND THEY DID !

GEEEZE LOUISE

so hoping for justice to be served in this particular court case-please no leaniancy or manslaughter type rap across the knucklesbut absolute JUSTICE FOR OUR GIRL :rocker:

 

[they'll get you]

Allioop, in the case of Jill meagher, it's a possibility that AB is going for manslaughter rather than murder because her death was a mistake, can GBC go the same? He panicked but ABC'S death was a mistake?

Same, same but different.

 

[Groundedgirl]

Sounds like she was warned to SHUT IT UP maybe that's why she ran like a scalded cat from the evil media no more bloopers:moo:

Or she finally caught on to the truth and being someone of good virtue decided to avoid the media inquisition, just in case she showed her hand. She may be a good person, just very naive. She may have just accepted everything gbc told her as truth in the early stages. Later she may have realised better. She obviously loves her brother and is supporting him no matter what. I do think she was unintentionally caught up in it all. Just another viewpoint to consider.

 

[alioop]

Yes, they'll, but he would have to start explaining that her death was accidental and the circumstances.

 

[Groundedgirl]

DAMAGE CONTROL

CAN IMAGINE LAWYERS SAYING...."SHUT UP AND GIVE US TIME TO THINK OF SOMETHING! OH & SHUT UP THAT <modsnip> SISTER OF YOURS, BETTER STILL JUST <modsnip> OFF SOMEWHERE, YEP THE WHOLE DANG LOTTA YA!"

AND THEY DID !

GEEEZE LOUISE

so hoping for justice to be served in this particular court case-please no leaniancy or manslaughter type rap across the knucklesbut absolute JUSTICE FOR OUR GIRL :rocker:

Very well spoken, she is indeed our girl. We all have embraced Allison as our own daughter, sister or bestie. And we shall look after our own, won't we :rocker::rocker:

 

[Flinders]

It only just dawned on me, (not sure if this has been mentioned in earlier threads, though I can't recall), When GBC told the girls their mother, Allison, probably fell down a hole and won't be coming back , I think he was making reference to the story Alice in Wonderland. I think there were very very serious connotations

With respect I snipped.

As far as I know the explaination given related to the children. If my husband said to his worried children it will be in terms of their understanding. Lot's of mine shafts. So it's a hazzard That is their context of understanding. Some speak to that is a problem in our area. Moo moo

 

[they'll get you]

Yes, they'll, but he would have to start explaining that her death was accidental and the circumstances.

So it's possible? Try anything?
Like AB, everything went too far, both JM & ABC bodies were hidden, could these murder cases be looked at by a judge as mistakes, panick by 'normally' a good person? I doubt GBC has any really bad previous convictions. I expect it was in the heat of the moment. I hope I'm not giving any ideas away.

If AB could try (considering what we now know) could the lawyers try the same?

 

[LadyBird1]

Yes, they'll, but he would have to start explaining that her death was accidental and the circumstances.

Alioop, Would it make any difference to change that now to "her death was accidental"?
Considering that "My client will be defending the charges vigorously."

There have been so many inconsistencies. Does that count?
There was no help with the investigation. Does that count?
No statements from NBC even though requested. Does that count?
The sister's story was different to GBC's story all along. Does that count?
Example: GBC (Noooo, Allison was not depressed, then, (OW) Allison was depressed.)

I am aware that this site would be being closely monitored by clan members, and any good ideas for someone's innocence happily borrowed. So if I or this reply is mod snipped, so be it, if justice ultimately will be served.

 

[GEANIE]

Or she finally caught on to the truth and being someone of good virtue decided to avoid the media inquisition, just in case she showed her hand. She may be a good person, just very naive. She may have just accepted everything gbc told her as truth in the early stages. Later she may have realised better. She obviously loves her brother and is supporting him no matter what. I do think she was unintentionally caught up in it all. Just another viewpoint to consider.

.......
Blood is thicker than water....I would stick up for my brother no matter what....but if I had any doubt....not on your life.....O W has a lot to think about....MOO:banghead:

 

[alioop]

Ladybird, it all comes down to credibility. If GBC changes his story then the police have to consider whether they believe him and if they continue with murder charges then it will be up to a jury to decide on what they believe happened. The trouble is that juries don't trust people who change their stories and the further down the track it is, the less they believe them.

 

[they'll get you]

Yes, they'll, but he would have to start explaining that her death was accidental and the circumstances.

Thanks Alioop, so I guess GBC's got....


1). I had nothing to do with the death-prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. Affairs, phone calls, beards etc are not illegal.

2). Blubber blubber im reeeally sorry We fought, she scratched, I pushed, she fell & on the way to the hospital she died in my arms, I panicked & 'placed her ever so gently on a grassy area'. I wasn't my fault she died I'm really a good boy mummy tells me so.

Alioop, what have the police got on him to keep him there? Really???

Witness to her actual death ? NO Being a jerk isn't against the law.
The cops must have something goodlease:

GBC IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY-
I've suddenly got a sinking feeling

 

[GEANIE]

Can anyone put a time frame on when NBC was seen sitting at bus stop at roundabout....
Sitting with his head in his hands.....He was there to be sure to be sure.....someone asked if he was OK.....He appeared to be in another world......What time.......AND WHY?
Maybe he went for a walk and forgot how to get home? Lost!!!!!
He's lucky he didn't fall down a mine shaft....

 

[Couldbe]

Thanks Alioop, so I guess GBC's got....


1). I had nothing to do with the death-prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. Affairs, phone calls, beards etc are not illegal.

2). Blubber blubber im reeeally sorry We fought, she scratched, I pushed, she fell & on the way to the hospital she died in my arms, I panicked & 'placed her ever so gently on a grassy area'. I wasn't my fault she died I'm really a good boy mummy tells me so.

Alioop, what have the police got on him to keep him there? Really???

Witness to her actual death ? NO Being a jerk isn't against the law.
The cops must have something goodlease:

GBC IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY-
I've suddenly got a sinking feeling

..... Couldn't be good either when one then proceeds to hide all of the evidence that could be used against them (disposing of victim's phone, etc). There must be a point during a search for a victim, where a perpetrator makes it inexcusably worse by not confessing to the events of the crime and assisting the Police...especially after 10 days!

 

[DrWatson]

Can anyone put a time frame on when NBC was seen sitting at bus stop at roundabout....
Sitting with his head in his hands.....He was there to be sure to be sure.....someone asked if he was OK.....He appeared to be in another world......What time.......AND WHY?
Maybe he went for a walk and forgot how to get home? Lost!!!!!
He's lucky he didn't fall down a mine shaft....

Is that known, or just rumour? I can't remember that ever being confirmed. In fact, the whole scenario at the Kenmore Roundabout is shrouded in mystery - I have absolutely no idea WHY the police have been concentrating on that.

And I have no idea WHY NBC would be sitting at a bus stop in the first place, especially one that is so public and open, not to mention the camera looking straight down on it.

I suspect that is rumour only, but we should know more in a few weeks.

 

[enthralled]

TGY...I don't recall a MSM report mentioning TM went along on the "in law escape".

There was another weekend when GBC went off to Gold Coast...the long weekend prior to the story breaking about the TM affair. From memory there may have been a rumour that TM went with him.

May 08, 2012

It's understood that Mr Baden-Clay, who reported his wife missing the morning after she reportedly took a late-night walk and didn't return, spent the long weekend at Tallebudgera on the Gold Coast with friends and his three daughters who are still coming to terms with their mother's death.
The trip was part of an annual gathering that the late Mrs Baden-Clay had joined on previous years.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ar...lison-baden-clay/story-e6freuzr-1226349294052




Well it was mentioned at the Dec bail hearing that her phone has never been found. There's always a chance they could still find it before the committal hearing.

Could the TM holiday be when she left town after she was identified as one of the mistresses. I don't have a link, but didn't her mother speak to reporters and say TM was distressed and needed to get away or something similar.

 

[alioop]

Thanks Alioop, so I guess GBC's got....


1). I had nothing to do with the death-prove it beyond all reasonable doubt. Affairs, phone calls, beards etc are not illegal.

2). Blubber blubber im reeeally sorry We fought, she scratched, I pushed, she fell & on the way to the hospital she died in my arms, I panicked & 'placed her ever so gently on a grassy area'. I wasn't my fault she died I'm really a good boy mummy tells me so.

Alioop, what have the police got on him to keep him there? Really???

Witness to her actual death ? NO Being a jerk isn't against the law.
The cops must have something goodlease:

GBC IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY-
I've suddenly got a sinking feeling

I think the police have a lot of pieces of evidence that they believe when all put together will prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Some of those pieces of evidence will be more significant than others. We know some of that evidence but we will know most of it after the comittal.

 

[Aberline_1979]

Is that known, or just rumour? I can't remember that ever being confirmed. In fact, the whole scenario at the Kenmore Roundabout is shrouded in mystery - I have absolutely no idea WHY the police have been concentrating on that.

And I have no idea WHY NBC would be sitting at a bus stop in the first place, especially one that is so public and open, not to mention the camera looking straight down on it.

I suspect that is rumour only, but we should know more in a few weeks.

I had heard, through a friend at work (I know, not a "perfect source") that NBC was indeed, sitting at the bus stop. The friend's friend knew him by name, and stopped to ask if he was okay. He acted in a "very unusual" way.

However, given that the police were running a white 4WD back and forth through that roundabout at the same time of night, is it possible that they were testing to see whether or not it is possible that GBC's car could have driven through that roundabout in between the time that the traffic camera on top of the post takes pictures? (and I have no idea how often it may do this - a few times a minute?).

If it was NOT possible for such a car to make it through undetected, and GBC's car did NOT appear on the camera's footage for that night, then it would mean that it was at least POSSIBLE that the defense could use this evidence to try and get him off the hook.