Amanda Berry (2003), Gina deJesus (2004), & Michelle Knight (2002) found alive! #1

[Cappuccino]

I can't wrap my mind around any of this!!! So this had a daughter, sons and wife and he kidnaps these girls, where did he take them at the time if he had kids and a wife????

Its a puzzle, but it seems to happen in lots of these cases. Fritzl's wife was completely unaware that her daughter was locked up in the cellar for years, Natascha Kampusch's kidnapper lived with his mother who was unaware that Natascha was even in the house.

I don't know how such people get away with it, but they do.

 

[Coldpizza]

I can't wrap my mind around any of this!!! So this had a daughter, sons and wife and he kidnaps these girls, where did he take them at the time if he had kids and a wife????

The interview with the suspects uncle on CNN said Ariel Castro and his wife separated years ago and she has since passed away.

 

[c@rol]

I can't wrap my mind around any of this!!! So this had a daughter, sons and wife and he kidnaps these girls, where did he take them at the time if he had kids and a wife????

Several kids, so far i'm counting 2 daughters and a son.. and a wife. You can't tell me that none of them had no clue this was going on for over 10 years?

I wonder if Ariel's two brothers are married and/or have any kids.

I also wonder if they were not so abusive to the kids and the wife that they would keep quiet about this or even aide in the actual kidnapping in Gina's case..

 

[palaminodee]

Unfortunately the police in this town leave a lot to be desired.

Hard to say that at this point IMO, they cannot just go into someone's home without warrant, but if the girls were friends, you would think he would have been questioned.
The men could have had the women hid elsewhere when this all originally happened for all we know.
The reason LE went to his home in recent years was due to leaving a child on the school bus; I would think that would not warrant a search of his home. They went to his home to talk to him.

It will however be interesting to see what LE turns up in regards to two neighbors allegedly reporting to police in the past pounding on the door from the home and a naked woman crawling in the backyard.
How those two incidents, if true, could not have been investigated is beyond me!?

 

[Kimster]

Please don't start sleuthing the perps' families unless we learn more of them were involved. Stick to those named in the MSM!

:tyou:

 

[Wanting2Help]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18104454-nine-years-before-rescue-cops-visited-cleveland-home-where-women-were-held?lite

 

[AshleyZ86]

I think the girl in the hospital bed is not the daughter of one of the kidnapped girls. I think it is Ariel Castro's granddaughter.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/LOCAL03/802160327/1002/LOCAL

Her mother is in prison for trying to kill her, so Ariel could have been raising her. She'd be 6 now.

There is a photo of the girl on Anthony Castro's FB page and she looks just like hospital girl.

Maybe that was never her daughter to begin with?

 

[southern_scout]

When I read about that, my IMAGINATION ran wild and I CONJECTURED that PERHAPS (see how careful I"m being here?) PERHAPS a parent called police and the school freaking out because their kid never got off the bus and PERHAPS because of how fast that happened, PERHAPS Ariel didn't get a chance to take this kid from the bus to his house to join the other girls, but PERHAPS it was *that* close. "Oh I forgot the child because they were asleep in the seat and I didn't' know they were there" or whatever the excuse was, may have been an excuse and not fact. Just a thought.

Wow, interesting thought. I think perhaps you could possibly not be far off on that line of thinking.

 

[jjenny]

Its a puzzle, but it seems to happen in lots of these cases. Fritzl's wife was completely unaware that her daughter was locked up in the cellar for years, Natascha Kampusch's kidnapper lived with his mother who was unaware that Natascha was even in the house.

I don't know how such people get away with it, but they do.

My guess is a lot of people not digging deep enough. Shawn Hornbeck was out and about, and some neighbors even noticed his resemblance to a missing boy. Never called it in.
In Jaycee Dugard's case she was out and about. People saw her.
Elizabeth Smart was out and about, as I recall there were some close calls where she could have been discovered earlier.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe that was never her daughter to begin with?

It's been reported by multiple sources that this child is Amanda's daughter. Also grandaughter doesn't look at all like the girl with Amanda.

 

[norest4thewicked]

ITA.
I don't think this dispatcher did anything wrong. She dispatched the police, which is what her job was. The only reason I think people have for bashing her is displaced anger they feel toward the suspect. Dispatcher is not the one accused of crime here. Let's remember that.

I started out in LE many years ago as a 911 operator. I've dispatched thousands of calls and can tell you that different agencies have different policies/guidelines for their dispatchers to follow. This dispatcher didn't do anything wrong. People don't have the foggiest idea of what it is like to take a call such as this. And, it is mind boggling to imagine the number of things a dispatcher may be responsible for doing when a call such as this comes in. I'm definitely not saying that some dispatchers make mistakes, but in this case, there was no mistake made.

Stop blaming the dispatcher! The women are finally safe and we need to concentrate on the animals who knew they were there and kept them there!

 

[Wanting2Help]

http://www.today.com/news/neighbor-accused-kidnapper-we-could-have-helped-earlier-6C9813859

Neighbor of accused kidnapper: 'We could have helped earlier'

 

[KaaBoom]

I agree. That called makes my skin crawl and not because of that fact that a young girl was kidnapped and kept alive of years for whatever sick reasons. The operator could have asked more questions and stayed on the phone. The girl was clearly scared of what would happen had this guy gotten back. They would have had to make another phone call to 911 to let them know. Operator had that rush tone to her voice. I'm not saying fired but I am saying maybe they should train the operators a bit more on how to handle a person who is calling saying they were kidnapped.

Why should the operator have keep her on the phone longer? She knew who she was. She knew where she was. She knew what phone number she was calling from. She knew the suspects name. She tried to find out what the suspect was wearing, but the girl seemed unable to give more information. The call was over, so she ended it.

She then looked up the case number, and relayed that to the supervisors. So they would know what was going on. The operator sounded thorough and professional to me.

 

[swedie]

Mugshots of Ariel Castro, Brothers Pedro and Onil Castro Released

http://hinterlandgazette.com/2013/0...ed:+HinterlandGazette+(The+Hinterland+Gazette)

Ewww they are so creepy and ugly. Poor girls having to look at these creeps as they were violated. My heart goes out to these women. I wish I could wrap my arms around all of them and take away their nightmares and pain of what happened to them.

 

[21merc7]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/07/18104454-nine-years-before-rescue-cops-visited-cleveland-home-where-women-were-held?lite

Wow! All 3 look like a picture of one person with the aging process going on.

 

[margarita25]

http://www.today.com/news/neighbor-accused-kidnapper-we-could-have-helped-earlier-6C9813859

Neighbor of accused kidnapper: 'We could have helped earlier'

Also from this link:

"Perez described his neighbor as a pleasant man who even lent a friendly hand when he did show up in the area.

“I’ve never seen anything that raised any suspicion. I’ve never seen anything that made me feel uncomfortable enough to call the police,” said Perez, who has lived in the neighborhood since he was 5. “I just saw someone who was very nice, charismatic, helped with the community on the street. And he even helped fix my tire once. I never thought nothing of it.”

But Perez said his sister did file a report with the police department several years ago after the two heard a scream nearby, although neither was sure from exactly where.

“There’s a difference between a playful, children-around scream with friends and this kind of scream. This kind of scream, I had my sister call the police and make a report,” he said."

 

[jjenny]

Why should the operator have keep her on the phone longer? She knew who she was. She knew where she was. She knew what phone number she was calling from. She knew the suspects name. She tried to find out what the suspect was wearing, but the girl seemed unable to give more information. The call was over, so she ended it.

She then looked up the case number, and relayed that to the supervisors. So they would know what was going on. The operator sounded thorough and professional to me.

To me as well. I really think people expect operator to start jumping up and down while screaming that Amanda has been found. If she did that, she would be totally wrong. Operators shouldn't be getting excited. That is not their job.
If the operator got emotional then the operator can not do their job properly. Operator has to stay calm and collected, which is what this woman did.

 

[danzn16]

Maybe we should become a society were LE just randomly show up at your door and do a search of your home and property. Not saying rip your house apart or go through your personal stuff, just do a room to room and property search. Would this deter horrible things like this from happening? I realize people have rights to privacy but if people know a search is possible, would it deter this type of thing from happening? I have nothing to hide in my home so they would be welcomed in. JMO

This would never be allowed, it's against our constitutional rights. People would just hide the victims in another location or just kill them. I don't think it would solve anything except give up privacy we already losing


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[AlphaWolf]

Amazing that they survived.....


I really need a break from the internet.....

 

[azgrandma]

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/tv_station_reports_berry_dejes.html
"Although Michelle Knight was reported missing more than a decade ago, family members concluded that she probably left on her own because she was angry that her son was removed from her custody, the grandmother said. She said her daughter believed she had last seen Michelle Knight several years ago in a van with an older man at a shopping plaza on West 117th Street."

Just catching up here so I apologize if this was already mentioned.
It's incredibly sad that Michelle Knight's family believed that she disappeared on her own accord. I really wonder how this will impact her recovery to discover that your family was not looking for you.