Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

[Gardenlady]

I find that just so offensive and sickening.


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It is. Two of the worst for this, of course, were Susan Smith and here in Boston the Charles Stuart case.

I cannot imagine the outrage Lumumba must feel after what she put him through.


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[Madeleine74]

Guede's DNA is on/in the victim. MK fought for her life. Guede also stole from MK. The inference is clear to me, BARD. Guede is someone I can say without any doubt is guilty.

Guede also told a friend (via phonecall, which was recorded, which Guede didn't know about) that no one else was in the apartment. He later changed his story.

I don't care what the judges think or what they ruled. I have to form my own opinion, which is my right to do so in this and every other case I follow. It doesn't change the outcome, but it is my right as a member of this forum.

 

[Footwarrior]

But she did commit it and she is just like Casey Anthony and Jodi Arias, just as narcissistic(JVS too, but to be fair, we'll stick with the female murderers). Most criminals are they are not honest, the behaviors show consciousness of guilt.

The evidence indicates otherwise, but evidence doesn't matter to the Italian court system or the poepple who <modsnip> for Knox based on the false accusations and information released by the Italian prosecutors.

Meredith died whem Rudy Guede plunged a knife into her throat. At a time when Amanda and Raffaele were a half kilometer away spending a quiet evening together.

 

[LinasK]

It is. Two of the worst for this, of course, were Susan Smith and here in Boston the Charles Stuart case.

I cannot imagine the outrage Lumumba must feel after what she put him through.


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The runaway bride also accused a black man of kidnapping her, IIRC.

 

[LinasK]

Guede's DNA is on/in the victim. MK fought for her life. Guede also stole from MK. The inference is clear to me, BARD. Guede is someone I can say without any doubt is guilty.

Guede also told a friend (via phonecall, which was recorded, which Guede didn't know about) that no one else was in the apartment. He later changed his story.

So why should you believe his 1st lie that noone else was there?
Clearly he IS guilty, so are they!!

 

[Jessica2012]

When I look at a case I look at evidence. Statements and the context around statements are very important (to me). I don't have any of that in this case. I looked at this case years ago. I'm not a newb to it.

There is ample physical evidence...evidence that proves it was Rudy Guede who was in that apartment that night, in MK's bedroom that night, and had a sexual encounter with MK that night. Guede is the one with a prior. When I look for evidence that shows who was in MK's BR, Guede is the only one who cannot be ruled out.

Based on evidence at the scene and inside MK's bedroom, I am certain Guede is the attacker, the killer, the thief. No doubt whatsoever with him.
And that's as far as I can go, based on the physical evidence that seems to be accepted by all sides.

I don't support Amanda Knox. I don't know her or Raffaele, but I can say with certainty I don't have evidence that can take me past reasonable doubt, I have no proof of what was said in the interrogation (again, where are the tapes? transcripts?). I can only work with what I can see/hear/read/discern.

The key here is "Inside MK's bedroom"-that is not the entire crime scene. Amanda keeps stating that there is reasonable doubt because there is no evidence of her in the bedroom. That statement seems so shady to me when I look at everything in totality. She does not have to be in the bedroom to be involved. Instigating, having knowledge of what happened, and cleaning up is still involvement in my opinion.There is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of these things in my opinion. She keeps pointing out "reasonable doubt" because of the lack of evidence against her specifically in the bedroom. The fact that she contains her innocence to specifically evidence not being in the bedroom is enough reasonable doubt of involvement in the murder to me.

 

[LinasK]

The evidence indicates otherwise, but evidence doesn't matter to the Italian court system or the poepple who <modsnip> Knox based on the false accusations and information released by the Italian prosecutors.

Meredith died whem Rudy Guede plunged a knife into her throat. At a time when Amanda and Raffaele were a half kilometer away spending a quiet evening together.

I don't hate Knox based on false accusations, I hate her based on true evidence and her lies- one which is that they were spending a quiet evening together. They spent the evening together, but not quietly at his apartment, they were busy murdering her!!!

 

[LinasK]

The key here is "Inside MK's bedroom"-that is not the entire crime scene. Amanda keeps stating that there is reasonable doubt because there is no evidence of her in the bedroom. That statement seems so shady to me when I look at everything in totality. She does not have to be in the bedroom to be involved. Instigating, having knowledge of what happened, and cleaning up is still involvement in my opinion. She keeps pointing out "reasonable doubt" because of the lack of evidence against her specifically in the bedroom. The fact that she contains her innocence to specifically evidence not being in the bedroom is enough reasonable doubt of involvement in the murder to me.

Also, the bloody scene in the bathroom, and Amanda's blood mixed with Meredith's. That didn't come from her period, what a crock!!!

 

[Madeleine74]

Inside of MK's bedroom is where the murder took place. No one is disputing that. Evidence of what happened to MK is in that bedroom and on MK's body. It is where the body was left, where the body was found. There's evidence of exactly one person interacting with MK at the scene of her death and at the time of her death. That's what I can discern without any doubt whatsoever. I can't say that about the other evidence.

 

[Amber29]

You're absolutely right! So what else could be at a scene...

- fingerprints (any found inside the BR?)
- footprints (any found inside the BR?)
- hairs (any found inside the BR?)
- fibers (any found inside the BR?)

You have victim and one defendant living in the same apartment, sharing the same bathroom. One should expect there to be physical evidence of both in the apartment. The bedroom is where MK was killed.

There was only one fingerprint found of AK in the whole cottage, In the kitchen. There were more of RS then AK and she lived there. Notice the doors and window that lacked fingerprints. Coincidence?
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Fingerprint_Chart.jpg

 

[I Must Break You]

When I look at a case I look at evidence. Statements and the context around statements are very important (to me). I don't have any of that in this case. I looked at this case years ago. I'm not a newb to it.

There is ample physical evidence...evidence that proves it was Rudy Guede who was in that apartment that night, in MK's bedroom that night, and had a sexual encounter with MK that night. Guede is the one with a prior. When I look for evidence that shows who was in MK's BR, Guede is the only one who cannot be ruled out.

Based on evidence at the scene and inside MK's bedroom, I am certain Guede is the attacker, the killer, the thief. No doubt whatsoever with him.
And that's as far as I can go, based on the physical evidence that seems to be accepted by all sides.

I don't support Amanda Knox. I don't know her or Raffaele, but I can say with certainty I don't have evidence that can take me past reasonable doubt, I have no proof of what was said in the interrogation (again, where are the tapes? transcripts?). I can only work with what I can see/hear/read/discern.

Sollecito can not be ruled out since his DNA was found in the bedroom, whether you accept the bra clasp or not, his DNA was found there so he cannot be ruled out. As well neither can Knox be ruled out, since lack of DNA evidence does not exclude someone from having committed the crime. There are crimes committed everyday where no DNA evidence is found.

 

[Footwarrior]

Guede's DNA is on/in the victim. MK fought for her life. Guede also stole from MK. The inference is clear to me, BARD. Guede is someone I can say without any doubt is guilty.

Guede also told a friend (via phonecall, which was recorded, which Guede didn't know about) that no one else was in the apartment. He later changed his story.

I don't care what the judges think or what they ruled. I have to form my own opinion, which is my right to do so in this and every other case I follow. It doesn't change the outcome, but it is my right as a member of this forum.

The investigators declared Amanda guilty before the evidence pointing to Geude was analyzed. This entire fiasco revolves around protecting the ego of those investigators.

A burglary that descends into rape and murder is all too common a crime. Italy would rather we believe in a strange conspiracy theory. Two young lovers who had only know each other for a week unexpectedly find they have the night free. But rather than spend it together snuggling, they recruit a third person one of them barely knows and the other has never met to commit a brutal murder without a motive.

 

[Madeleine74]

RS's DNA was found on a bra clasp. I don't know if that bra was hanging in a bathroom (for instance) at some point and he touched it when he was there are some point prior. I don't know if there's any contamination of that bra clasp and that accounts for DNA. I don't know if the testing is valid or not. I just don't know. It doesn't mean RS was *in MK's room that night.* For me the bra clasp is not evidence without some reasonable doubt around it.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The evidence indicates otherwise, but evidence doesn't matter to the Italian court system or the poepple who <modsnip> Knox based on the false accusations and information released by the Italian prosecutors.



Meredith died whem Rudy Guede plunged a knife into her throat. At a time when Amanda and Raffaele were a half kilometer away spending a quiet evening together.

You'd think two people spending a quiet evening alone would be capable of remembering it. Lmao!

 

[Amber29]

The evidence indicates otherwise, but evidence doesn't matter to the Italian court system or <modsnip> Knox based on the false accusations and information released by the Italian prosecutors.[/B]

Meredith died whem Rudy Guede plunged a knife into her throat. At a time when Amanda and Raffaele were a half kilometer away spending a quiet evening together.

<modsnip> I did not reach my opinion based on lies released by the prosecutor. As I'm sure many on the innocent side have gone beyond the media and pr campaign, I have done the same. We simply disagree on what we found.

As for your last sentence that is in your opinion as 2 juries have now disagreed with.

 

[I Must Break You]

The investigators declared Amanda guilty before the evidence pointing to Geude was analyzed. This entire fiasco revolves around protecting the ego of those investigators.

A burglary that descends into rape and murder is all too common a crime. Italy would rather we believe in a strange conspiracy theory. Two young lovers who had only know each other for a week unexpectedly find they have the night free. But rather than spend it together snuggling, they recruit a third person one of them barely knows and the other has never met to commit a brutal murder without a motive.

Well motive is actually irrelevant, because in many cases people do things that there is just no explanation for. But I'll entertain how could those three people possibly end up murdering a girl.

Ok how about Amanda and Meredith get into an argument over missing money. Amanda is angry and decides to get back at Meredith. Maybe she plans to stage a mock break in to scare Meredith (similar to her purported April Fool's Day prank). She get RG to play out the prank (she did know him, but not very well... but hey this is just a prank right). Little does she know that after letting RG in the cottage he goes in the room and takes it too far. He rapes and murders MK while AK stand in the kitchen frozen in fear (sound familiar) at a prank that went too far. RG runs out after, and leaves AK and RS holding the bag so to speak, so they are forced into trying to cover-up and stage a break-in.

Not saying that is what I believe happened, but it is logical and can be made to fit all the evidence. My point being there are numerous logical scenarios where all three could be involved at differing levels of participation that fit with the evidence.

 

[otto]

:seeya:

BBM: It's up to 53 hours now ? Unreal ...


Seriously though, with respect to these allegations of "torture" and "abuse":

- NOT one complaint was filed by Knox with the U.S. State Department regarding "torture" or "abuse" ...

And you can "bet your boots" the U.S. State Department would have looked into this immediately ...


- NOT one complaint was filed by Knox's defense attorneys in Italy regarding this allegation of "torture" or "abuse" ...

And you can "bet your boots" her defense team would have looked into this immediately ...

Lots of "fiction" that has to be sorted out from the FACTS in this case ...

:moo:

Posting this again ... this is retired FBI Steve Moore, Friends of Amanda, presenting entirely incorrect information, including the claim that Knox was denied food, water, and slapped around for 53 hours prior to making a "confession".

This is the type of mis-information that Knox's friends have presented to the public for six years, so it's not surprising that some people are confused by the guilty verdict.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/be...-erin-sot-panel-italy-amanda-knox-retrial.cnn

 

[LinasK]

Well motive is actually irrelevant, because in many cases people do things that there is just no explanation for. But I'll entertain how could those three people possibly end up murdering a girl.

Ok how about Amanda and Meredith get into an argument over missing money. Amanda is angry and decides to get back at Meredith. Maybe she plans to stage a mock break in to scare Meredith (similar to her purported April Fool's Day prank). She get RG to play out the prank (she did know him, but not very well... but hey this is just a prank right). Little does she know that after letting RG in the cottage he goes in the room and takes it too far. He rapes and murders MK while AK stand in the kitchen frozen in fear (sound familiar) at a prank that went too far. RG runs out after, and leaves AK and RS holding the bag so to speak, so they are forced into trying to cover-up and stage a break-in.

Not saying that is what I believe happened, but it is logical and can be made to fit all the evidence. My point being there are numerous logical scenarios where all three could be involved at differing levels of participation that fit with the evidence.

See I think Amanda wanted her dead because she was jealous of her, and Meredith didn't go along with her partying. Amanda was the ringleader for her boyfriend and Guede the accomplice. Not so hard to understand.

 

[Amber29]

The investigators declared Amanda guilty before the evidence pointing to Geude was analyzed. This entire fiasco revolves around protecting the ego of those investigators.

A burglary that descends into rape and murder is all too common a crime. Italy would rather we believe in a strange conspiracy theory. Two young lovers who had only know each other for a week unexpectedly find they have the night free. But rather than spend it together snuggling, they recruit a third person one of them barely knows and the other has never met to commit a brutal murder without a motive.

The conspiracy to me is thinking multiple judges, juries, prosecutors, police, certain defense attorneys, and witnesses are all out to frame AK.

 

[Footwarrior]

You'd think two people spending a quiet evening alone would be capable of remembering it. Lmao!

In the early stages of this investigation, Raffaelle and the press were told that there was clear video evidence of Amanda going to the cottage the night of the murder.

This was was a blatant lie intended to defame Amanda. If you disagree <modsnip> providing a link.