Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #15

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  • #501
Will you post a link to the short stories?... TiA:)

**Please forgive the limitations that come w/my posting via mobile ATM**

They are on pmf.net from the board index go to In Their Own Words section, there's a thread in there for Amanda Knox.
About a quarter way down there her myspace blog.
They are there.

Sorry I would link but don't think it's allowed. Although there is no conversation in that section of pmf it's only evidence and such.
 
  • #502
this is "closer to the bed"? if so, i think my math skills/sense of direction declined overnight...

http://groundreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kercher_room_labels_by_Italian_police-298x198.jpg


are the cites for the requested steve moore links forthcoming? been looking forward to reading more about the assertions made ("tortured for 53 hours", what happened in court when he "attended the trial", etc)... tia.

http://www.westseattleherald.com/2011/09/27/news/update-5-amanda-knox-court-today-prosecutor-migni

"Also high drama in court today as Michelle Moore, the wife of Steve Moore, retired FBI expert and outspoken critic of the prosecution, (both in the courtroom as observers), decided it would be a good idea to let Mignini know she though he was "an evil person". She is now being detained. She may receive a costly fine for insulting (libeling) him. At this time she is not allowed to leave the building."
Update: She was held for an hour and has been released.
 
  • #503
http://www.westseattleherald.com/2011/09/27/news/update-5-amanda-knox-court-today-prosecutor-migni



Also high drama in court today as Michelle Moore, the wife of Steve Moore, retired FBI expert and outspoken critic of the prosecution, (both in the courtroom as observers), decided it would be a good idea to let Mignini know she though he was "an evil person". She is now being detained. She may receive a costly fine for insulting (libeling) him. At this time she is not allowed to leave the building.


Keeping it classy...?


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  • #504
Jumping in here (from a long hiatus) to point out the European system is amongst the most 'pro-defendant' in the world. On this side of the pond, our prisons tend to be more posh - with a requirement that inmates must have several choices for meals (sometimes 5 a day), with restrictions due to religious and dietary needs strictly adhered to. Here, life sentences have been ruled as inhumane by the European Court of Human Rights and, as such, banned in some countries already. Here, defendants sometimes remain unnamed to protect their rights and their victim's identity; reduced pre-trial publicity to ensure a defendant's right to a fair trial; televised court proceedings only in recent years and those under strict guidelines - like not recording witnesses or the defendant. Here, mothers convicted can apply to take a child under 18 months to a special prison facility to serve their sentence with their child; here, some inmates are allowed unrestricted access to televisions, games consoles, and gyms; and here, you can theoretically commit a heinous crime at 15, serve 3 or 4 years, and be granted anonymity, relocation, and new identity upon release. Here, special rules apply to those of us who wish to discuss true crime cases - so as not to endanger the defendant's rights to a fair trial. More often than not, you'll see 'comments closed' on news articles concerning a defendant that hasn't been convicted or acquitted because of the laws here.

Not for the first time...nor the last...I will lament, as an American, that Europe is much more pro-defendant than pro-victim. MOO

Hey Brit's Kate! My post and Jacies response were speaking to US vs Italy and not Europe at large. And although in my mind I was talking about the trial process and not necessarily about post-conviction concerns such as prison conditions, my use of the term justice system didn't really make that clear. In the context of the system in total in all of Europe your points are good ones. And of course the one big disadvantage to our defendants is the death penalty:)
 
  • #505
Keeping it classy...?


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You could say that :floorlaugh:

Who yells out at a prosecutor in open court this way?
 
  • #506
The more I read the more I feel Rudy Guede and Amanda acted similarly after the murder. They both(regardless of the coercion theory) admitted being there, both knew specifics of the murder before they were known and both accused someone else. Yes all of the actions can be explained away for Rudy and for Knox but in my opinion it's too many things that need explaining. How can one person have this many things that need to be explained away, including evidence and their actions afterwards including accusing an innocent person,

I agree I've said before it seems they both told stories that would fit the evidence that could be found. For instance Amanda's shower, bathmat scooting, picking at the blood in the sink, and so on.
 
  • #507
Does this sound generic? Does Cantwell have the ear of Kerry? Even if she closely monitors it, will it make a difference in the long run?

“I am very concerned and disappointed by this verdict,” said Cantwell. “I am confident there will be an appeal to closely re-examine today’s decision. It is very troubling that Amanda and her family have had to endure this process for so many years. I will continue to closely monitor this case as it moves forward through the Italian legal system.”

http://www.cantwell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/1/cantwell-statement-on-amanda-knox-verdict

I guess it's because most Seattle-ians (??) support Amanda. Otherwise, I mean, I'm sure she doesn't lend that kind of support to every convicted murderer. Just, for some reason, Amanda Knox.
 
  • #508
Compare that with her statement after the acquittal.

“I am glad that the appeals court gave Amanda the fair hearing that she deserves. All countries must live up to their international commitments to provide a fair trial by an impartial tribunal to those accused of crimes. "
http://www.cantwell.senate.gov/publ...eases?ID=ebf15627-a81e-4980-97ce-e68254405eb6

So it is only fair if Knox would be acquitted? Who made her the judge?

Ooooh. Good catch, Sherlockh!
 
  • #509
You could say that :floorlaugh:



Who yells out at a prosecutor in open court this way?


Loved her "retired FBI" husbands' lame excuse for her abhorrent behavior!

"He said the outburst had come about because she was angry over pictures of Miss Kercher's mutilated body during an earlier hearing. "We have a daughter the same age and someone tried to strangle my wife when she was 20, so it was a reaction to all that, she was just shocked," he said."

Shocked a murder was discussed & photos shown at a murder trial ???? Did she think it was gonna be like Macy's?

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  • #510
Does this sound generic? Does Cantwell have the ear of Kerry? Even if she closely monitors it, will it make a difference in the long run?

“I am very concerned and disappointed by this verdict,” said Cantwell. “I am confident there will be an appeal to closely re-examine today’s decision. It is very troubling that Amanda and her family have had to endure this process for so many years. I will continue to closely monitor this case as it moves forward through the Italian legal system.”

http://www.cantwell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2014/1/cantwell-statement-on-amanda-knox-verdict
I recall when Amanda was convicted in 2009, Senator Cantwell vowed to make then Secretary of State Hilary Clinton get involved. Clinton said it was for the Italian justice system to handle.
 
  • #511
You could say that :floorlaugh:

Who yells out at a prosecutor in open court this way?

Entitled Americans who think rules are for other people. :seeya:
 
  • #512
“She was unlike any other prisoner. I’ve never seen another girl like her, especially so young. She’s magnetic and manipulative. She had no emotions for people, only books. She never talked to other prisoners, she was only concerned about her world.

“Even when they freed her after the appeal, she didn’t speak to a single person she had just spent four years with, just walked out. That’s not human, is it?”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/meredith-kercher-killer-amanda-knox-3100098

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Just bringing this forward because it was such an interesting article, IMO. I, too, get the impression that her image is very very carefully crafted. I have no doubt that everything that prison warden said is true. I can see it from the way Amanda wrote her book, the way she talks in her interviews, writes on her blog, and of course the way she treated Meredith. She is always playing the victim, every chance she can.
 
  • #513
Judge Alessandro Nencini also suggested in an interview with Corriere della Sera published Saturday that the decision of Knox's ex-boyfriend and co-defendant, Raffaele Sollecito, not to testify may have worked against him.

"It's the defendant's right, but it certainly deprived the process of a voice," Nencini was quoted as saying. "He limited himself to spontaneous declarations. He said only what he wanted to say without letting himself be cross-examined." Knox did not appear at the trial, but sent a letter to the court saying she feared wrongful conviction.

The newspaper said Nencini consented to the interview because he knew the sentence would create a media storm.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/amanda-...ng-guilty-verdicts-in-meredith-kercher-death/
 
  • #514
Just bringing this forward because it was such an interesting article, IMO. I, too, get the impression that her image is very very carefully crafted. I have no doubt that everything that prison warden said is true. I can see it from the way Amanda wrote her book, the way she talks in her interviews, writes on her blog, and of course the way she treated Meredith. She is always playing the victim, every chance she can.


I agree with you.

Just being a self absorbed narcissist doesn't make her a murderer.
But it does help explain much of her behavior after the murder as well as in interviews. That isn't a crime. I can even excuse much of it because I believe her to be a narcissist. She can't control that. narcissism is extremely difficult to treat.

If that's all she had against her...I'd argue her behavior isn't relevant.

***By behavior I am not talking about the lies....

I want to add that I don't believe her to only be a narcissist....I think it crosses into some purely psychopathic territory ...all IMO

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  • #515
Amanda Knox and the Question of Bias

...So let's look at the Amanda Knox situation. What would our decision be if an Italian citizen came to this country, was implicated in a gruesome murder, was convicted by a court, and lost ultimately on appeal, and that Italian citizen was now living back in Italy?

My guess is many would be demanding this Italian be extradited and sent to prison here so justice would be done. Many folks in this country are convicted with much less evidence than Knox was convicted with in Italy. I am not saying that I know whether Knox is guilty, but it is understandable why many Europeans think she should go to prison.

What if Knox, instead of being an attractive young white female, was an older rough looking Latino. Would we still hold the same viewpoint that Italy's judicial system is messed up?

[...]So whether the issue is Amanda Knox, or the president, or the guy down the street, or the person you care about, take a moment close your eyes, breathe through it, and put yourself in a totally different place and look at it from a 180-degree angle. It might show you where a bias might exist within you that you were unaware of, and by doing so it might get you ever closer to that imperfect and elusive truth we all strive to find.

There you have it.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/amanda-knox-question-bias/story?id=22327768
 
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I have been following the Italian newspapers. They have given their reasons, just not fully yet, but enough to know that her and her few-days-boyfriend are absolutely guilty. Very very sad. Especially for the Kerchers.
I tried to make some links, but they didn't come through.
The articles are easy to find.....just Google Italian newspapers and you will find a lot of what I have seen. Many of them are written in English.
 
  • #519
"On her Myspace website page, under the nickname 'Foxyknoxy', American student Amanda Knox said: "I'm actually at one of my happiest places right now."

But closer examination of the site gives a worrying insight into the bizarre life which has led the 20-year-old brunette to an Italian police cell.

In a series of meandering short stories, she outlines a string of scenarios which includes two brothers discussing the drugging and rape of a young girl."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suspected-Merediths-murder.html#ixzz2s6nelUku

Dear Lord, that is sick. She doesn't even know what that says about her.
 
  • #520
I had been following this case. However the last time I truly paid close attention was when she was released. Since it has been long enough for the details to fade I want to go and start from the beginning re-looking at it.

Where would you all recommend I start? A particular book that covers the case very well? (NOT written by one of the players obvi. Something rooted in facts. I'd actually prefer it to be written by someone who isn't American, Italian OR British... but that may be asking a lot.)

(Also does anyone else notice how Amanda's new look makes her look just like RS?)
 
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