Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #16

[otto]

I am not doing this to be stubborn, Redhead, but I honestly think that that imprint is just too vague for us to be able to tell anything from it. In the picture you just posted, you see that there is a big red splotch and some red splotches to the outside upper left of your knife outline, which could also be the outline for a bigger knife. I don't think that that imprint proves conclusively that RS butcher knife is not a knife used in the murder. I'm sorry, again I am not trying to be stubborn or just to "argue", just being honest.

This was recently added to the TrueJustice site:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._into_the_large_knife_provides_further_proof/

 

[otto]

ok, i see your point (if it was truly sealed), but imo, it's an absolute certainty that contamination occurred anyway b/c meredith's belongings were thrown all about in her room (there are photos of her things in random messy piles) and into the hallway as the scene was investigated. as well, wasn't there at least one other break in at the cottage that december? one cannot claim a "sealed crime scene" if this happened... ?

That's true. After the last pieces of evidence were collected on Dec 18, many things were moved in order to clear the floor for the application of luminol. Those photos were taken after things were piled up to record what they did in the crime scene prior to applying luminol. Photos were then taken after they applied luminol.

 

[otto]

:seeya: Good point ... and adding my :twocents: . . . fwiw

But WHO else could Knox have gone to stay with or hang out with during that time ?

First, there was her boss, Mr. Lumumba -- now this would be BEFORE Raf and Knox went to the police station that night ... and BEFORE she accused Mr. Lumumba.

Second, there were 2 other roommates that lived at the cottage ...

So WHY didn't Knox ask one of the other roommates if she could stay with them until LE finished with Raf ?

IMO, the answers are obvious ...

:moo:

She did. She phoned Filomina from the police station and asked if she could be a roommate with Filomina and Laura when they found a new place to live. They simply excluded her. Knox was on her own.

 

[otto]

Also from link, and bbm:

3) At the same time as she was originally found guilty of murder, Amanda Knox was also found guilty of slander and subsequently sentenced to four years' imprisonment for having accused an innocent man of the crime. Although acquitted of murder on appeal, the slander charge was upheld. At the time of the acquittal, Ms Knox had spent four years in jail, ie she effectively served the slander sentence while on remand. Therefore, she has not in fact served any time in prison for a crime she did not commit (although the same could not be said for Mr Sollecito if the final outcome of the legal process were to find him not guilty).

That's one point that Knox repeats often. She states that she was "wrongfully imprisoned". This is an absolutely lie, and she knows it, yet she repeats it every chance she has. Knox was never wrongfully imprisoned, but she hopes that people have forgotten about her criminal conviction and that they will view her as a victim.

We've heard how she has tried to align herself with Ryan Ferguson. The two have absolutely nothing in common. Ryan was falsely accused of murder and spent 10 years in jail. Patrick Lumumba was falsely accused of murder and, fortunately, Italian investigators did their jobs and he was released after two weeks. When Ryan Ferguson finally figures out that he has more incommon with Knox's victim than Knox, he might wisely distance himself.

 

[Jessica2012]

In her book this is what she wrote about police asking Raffaele to come without her
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http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C196/

 

[otto]

I'm very new to this case, so please excuse my ignorance..... Is the bolded above a direct quote from her confession? Last night I saw photos of the apartment for the first time. That place was TINY. You could practically eat off the table while sitting on that couch in the kitchen....

The kitchen/dining/living area is one space. In addition, there are four standard bedrooms, two baths, a laundry area, a vestibule, and a balcony.

 

[otto]

I can't find the link right now but I'm pretty sure the cottage was broken into over a year later. It was after all the evidence was collected.

It was. In that case, the burglar climbed onto the balcony and crawled through the kitchen window.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

She did. She phoned Filomina from the police station and asked if she could be a roommate with Filomina and Laura when they found a new place to live. They simply excluded her. Knox was on her own.

:seeya: Thank You ... Yes, I forgot about that ...

JMO, but Laura and Filomina knew : especially after Knox's statement at the police station that Meredith "... ____ing bled to death ..."

:twocents:

 

[otto]

:seeya: Thank You ... Yes, I forgot about that ...

JMO, but Laura and Filomina knew : especially after Knox's statement at the police station that Meredith "... ____ing bled to death ..."

:twocents:

Not just that, but the point of serious distrust started when Postal Police were at the cottage and they were asked to break down Meredith's bedroom door. The Postal Police said that they didn't have the authority, and that they could not be responsible for the damages to the door. Knox spoke up and said that Meredith routinely locked her bedroom door, even when she had a shower, so there was no reason to break the door.

Filomina knew that Meredith had only locked her bedroom door on the occasion when she returned to London, but that it was otherwise unlocked. Filomina stepped in and demanded that the door be broken and she accepted full financial responsibility for the cost of the door repair. Her friends broke the door that was already cracked by Knox and Sollecito.

 

[Zeno49]

"But there is only one thing here which isn’t right and not fair – a 21-year-old girl went to Italy and never came home. And there is only one victim too – and that is poor Meredith Kercher who died terrified and in agony having had her throat cut.

Now Amanda Knox has been found guilty of that terrible crime for a second time. And no efforts at rebranding herself as a thoughtful demure victim is going to change that. ...

In fact she can buy pretty much whatever she wants. Except innocence."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/amanda-knox-pr-cannot-hide-3100590#.UvEY__v-DCM

Based on my observations of the AK case I find it remarkable though explainable how paid "spin meisters" can alter public perception. It is interesting how badly the Italian police and legal systems were excoriated without due justification. A number of "journalists" seem to have gotten on the AK bandwagon and have avowed their "sanctimonious" positions of "truth and justice". I think these people have been wittingly or unwittingly duped.

This case is really not that complicated. Common sense, I believe, dictates proper conclusions.
A number of network "documentaries" on this AK case have been wretched, abysmal, and deplorably bad - I assume gratis the Knox money machine.
If someone were sufficiently motivated to actually look at the efforts of the Italian police, investigation, and the ensuing legal process they would probably come away singularly impressed. I know I was.

 

[sherlockh]

I'm very new to this case, so please excuse my ignorance..... Is the bolded above a direct quote from her confession? Last night I saw photos of the apartment for the first time. That place was TINY. You could practically eat off the table while sitting on that couch in the kitchen....

It is from a note she wrote after the 'confession'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1570225/Transcript-of-Amanda-Knoxs-note.html

 

[otto]

Based on my observations of the AK case I find it remarkable though explainable how paid "spin meisters" can alter public perception. It is interesting how badly the Italian police and legal systems were excoriated without due justification. A number of "journalists" seem to have gotten on the AK bandwagon and have avowed their "sanctimonious" positions of "truth and justice". I think these people have been wittingly or unwittingly duped.

This case is really not that complicated. Common sense, I believe, dictates proper conclusions.
A number of network "documentaries" on this AK case have been wretched, abysmal, and deplorably bad - I assume gratis the Knox money machine.
If someone were sufficiently motivated to actually look at the efforts of the Italian police, investigation, and the ensuing legal process they would probably come away singularly impressed. I know I was.

Knox contributes to TV and news ratings. That much appears to be true. Knox profits from selling her story, giving interviews, and perhaps by giving a head's up about photo ops (like Casey Anthony). If she is portrayed as a child that was wrongfully convicted in a backwards medieval country with a delusional prosecutor, the story ensures future profits. If Knox is portrayed as she is, a dishonest convicted murderer that has already spent four years in prison for another criminal conviction, public interest will dwindle. Who cares about convicted murderers? No one, but everyone cares about a poor child that is wrongfully imprisoned abroad.

On this basis, networks and news stations have little reason to report the truth, as untruth is a better story that sells.

 

[Zeno49]

Hi, from what I understand, Italy has an option called a "fast track trial". All three were offered this option but only Rudy took it. There is no jury and it is based on the evidence up until that point. Apparently he said he was worried AK and RS would frame him and that's the reason why he chose it. This article explains it a bit-

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=5762914

If you have 3 persons involved at a crime scene ie a murder, based on the US legal theory behind "felony murder" it really does not matter who did what when and in what order. All three are guilty of felony murder. If AK and RS were in the next room as RG raped or battered Kercher and death ensued we don't really need to know exactly what AK or RS did or did not do. We still can find warrant in finding them both guilty of "felony murder".

The felony? _ Burglary? Aggravated assault and battery? Felony trespass?

I do not know if Italy has this sort of crime in its criminal law codes or something like it?
As for me I am not overly concerned what precisely AK or RS did or did not do with Kercher. The fact is they were there AND they assiduously covered up the actions. The Italian courts got it right- both are guilty of "murder".

 

[aa9511]

Yes. Can't say much, but I just saw her.

She has not fled. She does look 'absent' if you know what I mean. Gave me the hibby jibbies - which is not evidence of anything I know, but she did.

I heard in the past from colleagues that hers were empty eyes. I can now attest they are. Vacant.

You should'a been like, heyyy, aren't you supposed to be in jail right now? :floorlaugh:

 

[Zeno49]

I must say although I believe in AK's and RS's guilt I can see where all this anti-italianism derived from.

The fact RG could possibly be free next year, the "forgotten" bra clasp story, the "corrupt" prosecutor, the fact that with the little evidence they had they messed around so much, AK not having a translator when she was first questioned, the fact that the questioning was not recorded...
Though I do not believe AK has been hit by the police, I think she was treated pretty harshly by them. Does anyone know if it were policemen or carabinieri? The carabinieri really have some kind of "bad " attitude, they think they stand above everybody.
I do believe AK's story about the police having suggested to her to accuse Lumumba. I can see where that comes from. She wrote in the message "Ci vediamo piu tardi" - see you later. In English you say that all the time, even if you know that you are not going to see that person for a couple of days. But in Italian it means that you will have an appointment a couple of hours later and you will see that person in fact "later". I can imagine the italian police being all over that text message and obviously getting suspicious, thus asking even more questions about her boss and accusing her of being a liar.

I can fully understand the rest of the world beginning to scratch their head about Italy though.
What a weird case.

:seeya:

I do NOT believe for one nanosecond that the Italian police or crime investigators induced AK to conjure the Patrice L story.
If this woman were completely innocent why would she invent a story of the "black man culprit", the crying and screaming, the hands to the ears??? If an innocent person creates a story it would unlikely contain all the intricate details of the actual crime unless the confessor were clairvoyant.

Plus AK in a written statement was quite explicit about many of the actual elements of the crime.

Even if an innocent AK received a seemingly neutral text message about work and "see you later", the leap to complicity in an actual crime is absurd UNLESS she, in a rather lame fashion, attempted her first pass at implicating someone else for her crime.

As a final note I tend to disregard most if not all of AK 's story of her police interrogation experiences. AK is a skilled resolute liar of the caliber of Jodi Arias. It is actually difficult to know what parts of her story have any basis in reality, since most of her complaints are overtly self serving.

 

[aa9511]

"Do I think she's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? Maybe not, Dershowitz told John Bachman, guest host of "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"But would I want my son to go out with her on the basis of a claim that she's totally innocent? Absolutely not."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/al...rder-trial/2014/01/31/id/550244#ixzz2sOyD7NYD



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Thank you for the link.

This:


"I have to tell you, in 50 years of practicing law, I had never seen a more one-sided presentation by the media in the United States of the case. Everybody is saying there's no evidence against her and she's totally innocent. It's just not true."

In America, everybody's ignoring the victim, everybody is pretending as if the Italian court system is the Iranian court system, and as if they made up all of the evidence against her." (from above link)

One example of this is that USA article linked to yesterday. There are numerous other examples, such as the on-air news reports of it from various channels.

It makes me very sad about what these so-called news organizations are doing to the public, me included. If we are being, IMO, grossly misled about this, what else are we being misled on by the media?? Issues that go way beyond this case, issues with more importance and impact to all of us? It is extremely disturbing to me.

JMO.

 

[aa9511]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/04/case-against-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito
Assertions such as those made by Andrew Gumbel (himself a co-author of Sollecito's autobiography) that Knox and Sollecito have been reconvicted "without a shred of evidence to substantiate the verdict" are untrue and undermine the gravity of the case, as does a one-sided interview with Ms Knox during which the evidence against her is barely addressed.





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wow...it lists 3 people as authors of the letter, + 105 others!! Wow.

 

[aa9511]

Thank you Linda for the media links.

I am really disgusted with the US media regarding this case.

I believe strongly that it is because of her looks, her middle-class, White status, her articulate way of speaking, and her education.

If she was a lower-economic status Hispanic or Black from the inner city who spoke with a little bit of hip-hop slang and was not polished or as pretty, you can bet only 2% of the people currently supporting Amanda would be supporting that woman.

It is outrageous.

JMO.

 

[otto]

If you have 3 persons involved at a crime scene ie a murder, based on the US legal theory behind "felony murder" it really does not matter who did what when and in what order. All three are guilty of felony murder. If AK and RS were in the next room as RG raped or battered Kercher and death ensued we don't really need to know exactly what AK or RS did or did not do. We still can find warrant in finding them both guilty of "felony murder".

The felony? _ Burglary? Aggravated assault and battery? Felony trespass?

I do not know if Italy has this sort of crime in its criminal law codes or something like it?
As for me I am not overly concerned what precisely AK or RS did or did not do with Kercher. The fact is they were there AND they assiduously covered up the actions. The Italian courts got it right- both are guilty of "murder".

Guede was found guilty of participating in the murder. He admitted that he was there, but stated that he did not commit the murder. The prosecution theory has been that Knox stabbed Meredith with the large knife, and Sollecito stabbed her with the smaller knife. Guede was convicted for being there and participating, so it is the same.

They each received the same sentence.

 

[aa9511]

Also from link, and bbm:

3) At the same time as she was originally found guilty of murder, Amanda Knox was also found guilty of slander and subsequently sentenced to four years' imprisonment for having accused an innocent man of the crime. Although acquitted of murder on appeal, the slander charge was upheld. At the time of the acquittal, Ms Knox had spent four years in jail, ie she effectively served the slander sentence while on remand. Therefore, she has not in fact served any time in prison for a crime she did not commit (although the same could not be said for Mr Sollecito if the final outcome of the legal process were to find him not guilty).

Thank you. There goes the wrongful imprisonment claim. Someone should alert the US media about this....oh wait, they don't care about the truth.