Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #16

[Zeno49]

I think they were both very paranoid. I remember when Rudy was caught, Raffaele had admitted being afraid Rudy would frame him. (Why fear this if they had never met Rudy before?)
Another telling sign was Amanda said Patrick Lumbamba scared her but when asked she said she was not afraid of Rudy at all.

I do not think Amanda was afraid at all of being left alone. I really believe she thought Raffaele would turn on her, and she really wanted to know what he was asked and what he answered. I never got the feeling RS was afraid Amanda would turn on him, though she did once he took away her alibi. I think she always wanted to remain close to the investigation and monitor it's progression. There was no need for her to stay there at all if she was afraid of being alone, she would have gone home like everyone else did.

Another thing I find odd is that in one of her interviews (I think it was the very first one after she was released with Barbara Walters) when asked why she broke up with Raffaele she replied that one reason was he took away her alibi and the second was because they were in jail and not able to see eachother. Now in my opinion, if police really harassed her into falsely accusing Patrick, wouldn't she have the same logic as to why Raffaele took away her alibi? She obviously didn't and broke up with him. All my opinion

The way I see it is - AK and RS are two self indulgent "teenagers" who are extremely immature and pampered by rich parents. RS father calling him every 60 minutes as a near college graduate!!!! Really?

They both were clueless and aimless. AK appeared as the penultimate air head "hottie" and based on her recent theatrics on network TV it appears she has NOT grown in stature or intelligence, since her infamous 2007 killing spree.

They knew each other for some 2 weeks - maximum. For AK this guy was another attractive piece of "meat" that she could munch on for awhile.

They were irretrievably bound up by a mutual crime and participation in a mutual lie. AK certainly had no mature feelings of loyalty for this RS guy. AK who probably had the requisite criminal mind in this affair made sure RS toed the line during all phases of the investigation.

 

[aa9511]

This was brought to general attention elsewhere - (am really grateful because I for one had no idea that this was being spoken about so early) -

the day after the verdict during a State Department Press briefing, someone asked questions about Knox's possible extradition.

It is interesting that the official responds to these questions in much the same way as former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton did several years ago: Leave it to the Italian legal process:

This is the part that is really telling:



http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/01/221118.htm#AMANDAKNOX

I'm not willing for the US to break an extradition treaty for Amanda Knox. I'm sorry. For Amanda Knox, we are possibly losing all future "extraditees" we want from Italy. Nope. JMO.

 

[otto]

I do NOT believe for one nanosecond that the Italian police or crime investigators induced AK to conjure the Patrice L story.
If this woman were completely innocent why would she invent a story of the "black man culprit", the crying and screaming, the hands to the ears??? If an innocent person creates a story it would unlikely contain all the intricate details of the actual crime unless the confessor were clairvoyant.

Plus AK in a written statement was quite explicit about many of the actual elements of the crime.

Even if an innocent AK received a seemingly neutral text message about work and "see you later", the leap to complicity in an actual crime is absurd UNLESS she, in a rather lame fashion, attempted her first pass at implicating someone else for her crime.

As a final note I tend to disregard most if not all of AK 's story of her police interrogation experiences. AK is a skilled resolute liar of the caliber of Jodi Arias. It is actually difficult to know what parts of her story have any basis in reality, since most of her complaints are overtly self serving.

Police reported that Knox was hitting herself in the head with her hands during the interview where she introduced Patrick's name to police. She proceeded to deliver an elaborate story about where she met him that evening, their walk to the cottage, what happened at the cottage, that Patrick went to Meredith bedroom and assaulted her, that Knox heard Meredith scream (Guede also reported this detail), that Meredith was sexually assaulted and murdered.

The lie has too much detail for it to be innocently concocted on the spot. What I find curious is that Knox states that investigators repeatedly told her that she had to report the truth, and apparently this was so stressful that she produced an elaborate lie.

 

[aa9511]

Ha, good point! But what struck me the most, is how clearly the official kept referring back to the Italian process. In other words, they trust it. (Clinton had said the same at the first conviction under Massei).

Of course. And they understand that they cannot risk future US security for Ms. Amanda Knox. She was fairly convicted. There is no big conspiracy.

They cannot break the treaty for Ms. Amanda Knox, and risk allowing all future "extraditees" to roam free in Italy. Terrorists, drug dealers, illegal arms traders, mafia people, traitors......all for Ms. Amanda Knox. WOW.

 

[aa9511]

Yes, and she stated clearly that we have an extradition treaty with Italy.

since 1984, IIRC.

 

[aa9511]

The 2 break ins were in February 2009 and march 2009. I believe, I used to have the links to the stories but I don't anymore. I'm sorry.

Break-ins with no rape and brutal murder of anyone living in that house.

 

[bexlex]

It was. In that case, the burglar climbed onto the balcony and crawled through the kitchen window.

That would have been a much better way to stage the break-in....

Thank you Linda for the media links.

I am really disgusted with the US media regarding this case.

I believe strongly that it is because of her looks, her middle-class, White status, her articulate way of speaking, and her education.

If she was a lower-economic status Hispanic or Black from the inner city who spoke with a little bit of hip-hop slang and was not polished or as pretty, you can bet only 2% of the people currently supporting Amanda would be supporting that woman.
It is outrageous.
JMO.

I instantly thought of that young black girl from the Zimmerman trial... the media tore her apart.... I really felt bad for her.

 

[otto]

The way I see it is - AK and RS are two self indulgent "teenagers" who are extremely immature and pampered by rich parents. RS father calling him every 60 minutes as a near college graduate!!!! Really?

They both were clueless and aimless. AK appeared as the penultimate air head "hottie" and based on her recent theatrics on network TV it appears she has NOT grown in stature or intelligence, since her infamous 2007 killing spree.

They knew each other for some 2 weeks - maximum. For AK this guy was another attractive piece of "meat" that she could munch on for awhile.

They were irretrievably bound up by a mutual crime and participation in a mutual lie. AK certainly had no mature feelings of loyalty for this RS guy. AK who probably had the requisite criminal mind in this affair made sure RS toed the line during all phases of the investigation.

BBM
This is a point that baffles me. Knox was released from prison three years ago. When she was released, she gave interviews to anyone that would listen. Here we are, three years later, and she is still repeating the exact same lines.

After three years, I would expect her language to change, the emphasis to change, a new detail added here and there, a true dialogue about the murder of Meredith Kercher's murder, but it's just not there. Knox has a set of lines that she repeats again and again, to the extent that the words are flat, they are meaningless and they convey nothing.

 

[otto]

since 1984, IIRC.

October 13, 1983, although one news story reported 1984.

http://internationalextraditionblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/italy.pdf

 

[aa9511]

This was recently added to the TrueJustice site:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._into_the_large_knife_provides_further_proof/

Thank you. I see the double image clearly in those pics. I also see that it is very clearly the shape of a butcher knife, and nothing like the slim shape of a pocket knife. I do not know how a pocket knife can be confused with that shape. JMO.

 

[aa9511]

This was recently added to the TrueJustice site:

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index..._into_the_large_knife_provides_further_proof/

Otto, do you by any chance know the width of the outline of the knife in that imprint? IMO, it would be very easy to rule out a pocket knife....all one needs to do is compare that width to the width of a standard pocket knife. The shape looks nothing like shape of a pocket knife. I would assume measurements would be able to clearly confirm that.

 

[aa9511]

In her book this is what she wrote about police asking Raffaele to come without her
“Did the police know I’d show up or were they purposefully separating Raffaele and me?” (WTBH: 83)

http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C196/

Oh wow. Just wow.

She wasn't about to let no separatin' happen.

 

[aa9511]

Based on my observations of the AK case I find it remarkable though explainable how paid "spin meisters" can alter public perception. It is interesting how badly the Italian police and legal systems were excoriated without due justification. A number of "journalists" seem to have gotten on the AK bandwagon and have avowed their "sanctimonious" positions of "truth and justice". I think these people have been wittingly or unwittingly duped.

This case is really not that complicated. Common sense, I believe, dictates proper conclusions.
A number of network "documentaries" on this AK case have been wretched, abysmal, and deplorably bad - I assume gratis the Knox money machine.
If someone were sufficiently motivated to actually look at the efforts of the Italian police, investigation, and the ensuing legal process they would probably come away singularly impressed. I know I was.

Thank you for this. It is an absolute disgrace how the media, and I'm not speaking of things like tabloids here, I'm talking about reputable news organizations, have distorted this case. In the grand scheme of things, Amanda Knox does not affect many people, but if the media is distorting this small case, what big things are they distorting?

It's just like that movie Anchorman, so silly, and yet so embarrassing that it's actually the truth.

 

[aa9511]

Knox contributes to TV and news ratings. That much appears to be true. Knox profits from selling her story, giving interviews, and perhaps by giving a head's up about photo ops (like Casey Anthony). If she is portrayed as a child that was wrongfully convicted in a backwards medieval country with a delusional prosecutor, the story ensures future profits. If Knox is portrayed as she is, a dishonest convicted murderer that has already spent four years in prison for another criminal conviction, public interest will dwindle. Who cares about convicted murderers? No one, but everyone cares about a poor child that is wrongfully imprisoned abroad.

On this basis, networks and news stations have little reason to report the truth, as untruth is a better story that sells.

money machine, cha-ching, cha-ching.

 

[Amber29]

Police reported that Knox was hitting herself in the head with her hands during the interview where she introduced Patrick's name to police. She proceeded to deliver an elaborate story about where she met him that evening, their walk to the cottage, what happened at the cottage, that Patrick went to Meredith bedroom and assaulted her, that Knox heard Meredith scream (Guede also reported this detail), that Meredith was sexually assaulted and murdered.

The lie has too much detail for it to be innocently concocted on the spot. What I find curious is that Knox states that investigators repeatedly told her that she had to report the truth, and apparently this was so stressful that she produced an elaborate lie.

Well she did tell "the best truth she could think of"

 

[aa9511]

If you have 3 persons involved at a crime scene ie a murder, based on the US legal theory behind "felony murder" it really does not matter who did what when and in what order. All three are guilty of felony murder. If AK and RS were in the next room as RG raped or battered Kercher and death ensued we don't really need to know exactly what AK or RS did or did not do. We still can find warrant in finding them both guilty of "felony murder".

The felony? _ Burglary? Aggravated assault and battery? Felony trespass?

I do not know if Italy has this sort of crime in its criminal law codes or something like it?
As for me I am not overly concerned what precisely AK or RS did or did not do with Kercher. The fact is they were there AND they assiduously covered up the actions. The Italian courts got it right- both are guilty of "murder".

Oh thank you again! You are so right. I get so caught up in the minutae (sp?) that I lose sight of the big picture. Thank you for bringing me back to Earth.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not just that, but the point of serious distrust started when Postal Police were at the cottage and they were asked to break down Meredith's bedroom door. The Postal Police said that they didn't have the authority, and that they could not be responsible for the damages to the door. Knox spoke up and said that Meredith routinely locked her bedroom door, even when she had a shower, so there was no reason to break the door.



Filomina knew that Meredith had only locked her bedroom door on the occasion when she returned to London, but that it was otherwise unlocked. Filomina stepped in and demanded that the door be broken and she accepted full financial responsibility for the cost of the door repair. Her friends broke the door that was already cracked by Knox and Sollecito.

Yeah, thanks wonky too. They were so concerned an attempt was made to break down her door and claim banging hard on it, that Meredith routinely locked it...but neither mentioned it right away when the postal police came?
BS


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[otto]

This was brought to general attention elsewhere - (am really grateful because I for one had no idea that this was being spoken about so early) -

the day after the verdict during a State Department Press briefing, someone asked questions about Knox's possible extradition.

It is interesting that the official responds to these questions in much the same way as former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton did several years ago: Leave it to the Italian legal process:

This is the part that is really telling:



http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/01/221118.htm#AMANDAKNOX

Thank you. This is where I read 1984, but I'm pretty sure the treaty is from October 13, 1983. Maybe someone can find a third reference that confirms one or the other date?

"MS. HARF: Well, we’ll keep monitoring the case, obviously. We’ve been following it closely as it’s gone through the Italian legal system. I don’t have any more analysis of the Italian judicial procedure for you. But again, we’ll just keep monitoring it, and if we have anything else to say, as we get further along in the process, we will.

QUESTION: (Inaudible) can I just clarify whether there has actually been an extradition request made yet by the Italian authorities?

MS. HARF: Well, extradition requests, I understand, are legally private and confidential. So I don’t think I have more comment than that. We do have an extradition treaty, which has been in force since 1984."

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2014/01/221118.htm#AMANDAKNOX

 

[Linda7NJ]

You should'a been like, heyyy, aren't you supposed to be in jail right now? :floorlaugh:

That's exactly what I would have said...
Or...aren't you that murderer that's gonna eventually be shipped to Italy? Ya look just like her, bad haircut and all!


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[aa9511]

I do NOT believe for one nanosecond that the Italian police or crime investigators induced AK to conjure the Patrice L story.
If this woman were completely innocent why would she invent a story of the "black man culprit", the crying and screaming, the hands to the ears??? If an innocent person creates a story it would unlikely contain all the intricate details of the actual crime unless the confessor were clairvoyant.

Plus AK in a written statement was quite explicit about many of the actual elements of the crime.

Even if an innocent AK received a seemingly neutral text message about work and "see you later", the leap to complicity in an actual crime is absurd UNLESS she, in a rather lame fashion, attempted her first pass at implicating someone else for her crime.

As a final note I tend to disregard most if not all of AK 's story of her police interrogation experiences. AK is a skilled resolute liar of the caliber of Jodi Arias. It is actually difficult to know what parts of her story have any basis in reality, since most of her complaints are overtly self serving.

:clap:

bbm

No one seemed to have any problem believing and seeing that Jodi Arias is a liar.

Amanda has eclipsed even the manipulation of Jodi, thanks to her PR machine.

Her story of her abuse at the police station sound like something out of a cheesy C-grade movie. That she got slapped on the back of her head. I also don't believe a word out of her mouth, I have seen through her lies.

JMO.