Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #16

[Linda7NJ]

BBM

This is a point that baffles me. Knox was released from prison three years ago. When she was released, she gave interviews to anyone that would listen. Here we are, three years later, and she is still repeating the exact same lines.



After three years, I would expect her language to change, the emphasis to change, a new detail added here and there, a true dialogue about the murder of Meredith Kercher's murder, but it's just not there. Knox has a set of lines that she repeats again and again, to the extent that the words are flat, they are meaningless and they convey nothing.

And what the heck has she been doing with herself since she's been back? How many classes has she taken? She still doesn't have a degree??? She wasn't working? What did she do all day?


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[Linda7NJ]

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bbm



No one seemed to have any problem believing and seeing that Jodi Arias is a liar.



Amanda has eclipsed even the manipulation of Jodi, thanks to her PR machine.



Her story of her abuse at the police station sound like something out of a cheesy C-grade movie. That she got slapped on the back of her head. I also don't believe a word out of her mouth, I have seen through her lies.



JMO.

I'd bet my last dollar if Jodi hadn't accidentally captured the murder on that camera... We would hear the same sort of nonsense we hear in this case.



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[aa9511]

The way I see it is - AK and RS are two self indulgent "teenagers" who are extremely immature and pampered by rich parents. RS father calling him every 60 minutes as a near college graduate!!!! Really?

They both were clueless and aimless. AK appeared as the penultimate air head "hottie" and based on her recent theatrics on network TV it appears she has NOT grown in stature or intelligence, since her infamous 2007 killing spree.

They knew each other for some 2 weeks - maximum. For AK this guy was another attractive piece of "meat" that she could munch on for awhile.

They were irretrievably bound up by a mutual crime and participation in a mutual lie. AK certainly had no mature feelings of loyalty for this RS guy. AK who probably had the requisite criminal mind in this affair made sure RS toed the line during all phases of the investigation.

bbm

I think that RS was afraid to say anything because he was afraid that then, Amanda might spill the beans on him. His case, IMO, is different from Amanda's, due to the difference in the evidence found on him vs. found on Amanda. On top of that, you have Amanda as being the only one out of the 2 of them who could have given access to the cottage. So IMO Amanda has more evidence against her than RS does.

So I am really baffled as to why RS would choose this ridiculous defense strategy of putting his case with Amanda's - which actually gives hiim more evidence. ???? It makes no sense.

IMO he was scared that if he didn't go along with this story, in other words, if he broke from Amanda and went to his "load of rubbish" story (I was at home, but don't know where Amanda was), then Amanda was going to change strategy and spill the beans on him. There was always that risk.

 

[Katrinka]

I've been searching but can't find the answer. Does anyone know if Amanda's other roommates believe she's guilty or innocent?

 

[otto]

Thank you for this. It is an absolute disgrace how the media, and I'm not speaking of things like tabloids here, I'm talking about reputable news organizations, have distorted this case. In the grand scheme of things, Amanda Knox does not affect many people, but if the media is distorting this small case, what big things are they distorting?

It's just like that movie Anchorman, so silly, and yet so embarrassing that it's actually the truth.

I recall something about Donald Trump getting in on the action. I believe Knox was supposed to be a celebrity on his show if she was released, rather than convicted, in 2009. ABC News had flown in the family and covered expenses for an exclusive. That was a blow! Instead we saw Knox in a cage on the back of a truck and the family angry with the mob.

When she was released, offers like Trump's Job Game Show had dried up. CNN, however, has remained loyal and sympathetic to the Knox PR Firm in terms of presenting that storyline. If CNN had any correspondents in Italy, they didn't speak Italian.

Nancy Grace has abstained from discussing the case, but she has dropped a comment or two. I suspect that if she had a word to say, it would be Guilty. In fact, would she be hollering "they've got her DNA mixed with the victim's blood on the faucet, in the bidet, in the bedroom, and her bloody footprints are up and down the hall. His bloody footprint is in the bathroom and his DNA is on the victim's bra in her bedroom! Are you telling me that they weren't there?" ... and she'd give that weird raised eyebrow that she does as she purses her mouth, waiting for someone to argue against her.

 

[sherlockh]

And what the heck has she been doing with herself since she's been back? How many classes has she taken? She still doesn't have a degree??? She wasn't working? What did she do all day?

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She doesn't remember. JMO

 

[aa9511]

That would have been a much better way to stage the break-in....



I instantly thought of that young black girl from the Zimmerman trial... the media tore her apart.... I really felt bad for her.[/QUOTE]

bbm

Yes, I thought of her too. Rachel I believe was her name. I felt bad, too. I also think of the witnesses in the Joshua Young trial, who were White but lower socio-economic status and no education past high school. The jurors did not believe them even in the trial, although there were numerous witnesses all saying basically the same thing. However, because they were not articulate and they were nervous, much like Rachel, they did not speak clearly - basically they were very poor witnesses in terms of what the attorneys would have wanted. And the jurors did not believe them. If they had been people like Amanda, jurors would have believed them.

That's a small scale, but just widen the scale to the whole of US, and it's the same thing just on larger scale.

JMO.

 

[otto]

I've been searching but can't find the answer. Does anyone know if Amanda's other roommates believe she's guilty or innocent?

There were four roommates at the house. Meredith, who was murdered, Knox, who is convicted of the murder, and two women that worked in the legal field. I believe they were a couple of years older.

Filomina was witness to the circumstantial evidence indicating a staged break-in (she found glass on top of the ransacked items) and heard Knox state that Meredith routinely locked her bedroom door, so she did not trust Knox. Laura testified that although she was out of town at the time of the murder, she did notice the injury to Knox's neck, and she testified that it did not look like a hickey. Neither roommate was interested in rooming with Knox after the murder ... although Knox did ask.

Neither has offered an opinion regarding guilt or innocence, but actions speak louder than words.

 

[aa9511]

I'd bet my last dollar if Jodi hadn't accidentally captured the murder on that camera... We would hear the same sort of nonsense we hear in this case.



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Yes, I agree, although Amanda might have had an edge due to fact that she's White, college-educated, and higher socio-economic status than Jodi.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, I agree, although Amanda might have had an edge due to fact that she's White, college-educated, and higher socio-economic status than Jodi.

But Jodi can sing, she recycles and is an artist...eyeroll...


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[aa9511]

I recall something about Donald Trump getting in on the action. I believe Knox was supposed to be a celebrity on his show if she was released, rather than convicted, in 2009. ABC News had flown in the family and covered expenses for an exclusive. That was a blow! Instead we saw Knox in a cage on the back of a truck and the family angry with the mob.

When she was released, offers like Trump's Job Game Show had dried up. CNN, however, has remained loyal and sympathetic to the Knox PR Firm in terms of presenting that storyline. If CNN had any correspondents in Italy, they didn't speak Italian.

Nancy Grace has abstained from discussing the case, but she has dropped a comment or two. I suspect that if she had a word to say, it would be Guilty. In fact, would she be hollering "they've got her DNA mixed with the victim's blood on the faucet, in the bidet, in the bedroom, and her bloody footprints are up and down the hall. His bloody footprint is in the bathroom and his DNA is on the victim's bra in her bedroom! Are you telling me that they weren't there?" ... and she'd give that weird raised eyebrow that she does as she purses her mouth, waiting for someone to argue against her.

bbm

Yes, Otto, exactly! You have Nancy Grace down to the letter!! :floorlaugh:

That is exactly what she would say. She would see what the evidence shows, and she would see right through Amanda.

It's true Nancy is beholden to CNN, but she also is probably worried about her own viewership and her own ratings. That's why she is conspicuously silent on this case.

If Juan Martinez had done a cross on Amanda, there would be no doubt left in anyone's mind what the truth of Amanda is. She would have been caught in so many lies. Too bad.

JMO.

 

[otto]

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bbm

I think that RS was afraid to say anything because he was afraid that then, Amanda might spill the beans on him. His case, IMO, is different from Amanda's, due to the difference in the evidence found on him vs. found on Amanda. On top of that, you have Amanda as being the only one out of the 2 of them who could have given access to the cottage. So IMO Amanda has more evidence against her than RS does.

So I am really baffled as to why RS would choose this ridiculous defense strategy of putting his case with Amanda's - which actually gives hiim more evidence. ???? It makes no sense.

IMO he was scared that if he didn't go along with this story, in other words, if he broke from Amanda and went to his "load of rubbish" story (I was at home, but don't know where Amanda was), then Amanda was going to change strategy and spill the beans on him. There was always that risk.

I'm still looking for links, but there's something about Sollecito making a request to separate the proceedings at some point. Is anyone familiar with Frank's blog ... the one that closed due to an investigation?

I think Sollecito was duped by Amanda during the trial, where he was puppy eyed for her and she played along. He handed her gifts in the courtroom. He was smitten. After they were released, he discovered that she is different than the "Alice in Wonderland" woman he thought he knew for two weeks. I'm curious whether this became crystal clear for him in July, 2013 when he was in Idaho for two days and Seattle for four days (the contract marriage discussions). It seems clear that Sollecito has contacted Knox, but he does not say anything about there being communication.

It is true that there is less evidence implicating Sollecito than Knox, and he did have the out of claiming that she went out while he slept ... until the evidence came in. The bottom line is that they were together that night. We know this based on the evidence at the crime scene. He presents a convincing, sympathetic character, but he's a chameleon, just like Knox. His footprint is in the bathroom and his DNA is on the victim's underwear.

 

[aa9511]

But Jodi can sing, she recycles and is an artist...eyeroll...


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:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Susan10]

Personally, I think that they thought everyone would believe their burglar story. I mean, just looking at it from an layperson's perspective, not knowing the evidence in the case, it is much easier to believe that a burglar would have come in and raped and murdered Meredith, then to think that oh, 3 people played a prank on Meredith and something happened, and then 2 people came back and cleaned up the cottage and cleaned doors and moved the body around to stage it and staged the window to make it look like a burglary, etc., etc.. Just like from reading this thread, one can see similar things being said from some of those supporting her innocence, even knowing the evidence. So of course a layperson is not going to automatically think the second thing, they are going to think the most obvious thing - the first.

The problem is, they were thinking of it like how a layperson would view it. They didn't count on how investigators would see it. Investigators who are familiar with these things. They thought someone like you or me would look at it from a very cursory view and think, well, duh, a burglar came in.

I posted an article on last thread where the author said that most of the times during staging, perps make mistakes because they don't think of things in terms of the way detectives and investigators will see it. They think of things in terms of how a regular person (not in crime investigations) would see it. That's where they make the mistakes.

So I do think that they were thinking that investigators would buy the story, especially given they had staged everything to make it look that way.

As far as Rudy goes, I think that they thought that perhaps the investigators would not be able to match anything to Rudy. I mean, how would investigators have known Rudy was even there? Maybe they thought that since Rudy would not be on the radar for this murder, his DNA would not be taken, and thus they would not be able to match it. I think that they just wanted desperately for investigators to believe in the IDEA of the "burglar."

I think their back-up plan in the case if Rudy was ever matched and found, would be to deny deny deny. That who would believe some Black man over them? But I think this was only their back-up plan in case Rudy was matched and caught, which I don't think they actually thought that they would be able to match the DNA with Rudy.

The idea of the burglar is what they wanted to be believed.

ITA. They were incapable of successfully staging the crime scene, especially when viewed by seasoned and trained investigators. You also made me think of something, conjecture to be sure, I haven't heard it before if it has already been said - and that is that AK went back to the apt. not to shower and dry her hair, but to try to cover more tracks, to try to eliminate more evidence. That would explain why the police said that she did not look or smell like a person who had just showered and dried her hair. It would only be further conjecture as to why RS didn't accompany her when she went back. Then they ran out of time when the phones were found.

 

[aa9511]

I'm still looking for links, but there's something about Sollecito making a request to separate the proceedings at some point. Is anyone familiar with Frank's blog ... the one that closed due to an investigation?

I think Sollecito was duped by Amanda during the trial, where he was puppy eyed for her and she played along. He handed her gifts in the courtroom. He was smitten. After they were released, he discovered that she is different than the "Alice in Wonderland" woman he thought he knew for two weeks. I'm curious whether this became crystal clear for him in July, 2013 when he was in Idaho for two days and Seattle for four days (the contract marriage discussions). It seems clear that Sollecito has contacted Knox, but he does not say anything about there being communication.

It is true that there is less evidence implicating Sollecito than Knox, and he did have the out of claiming that she went out while he slept ... until the evidence came in. The bottom line is that they were together that night. We know this based on the evidence at the crime scene. He presents a convincing, sympathetic character, but he's a chameleon, just like Knox. His footprint is in the bathroom and his DNA is on the victim's underwear.

I would loved to have been a fly on the wall in those Seattle discussions, although I do wonder if they were actually left alone at any point. The reason I say, is that Amanda's parents must have a clue in the back of their mind that they were actually involved in the murder, and they would not want to leave the two of them alone to strategize together. Same with Amanda's lawyers. They would believe it's not good for Amanda's case. IMO. That's what I would do if it were my "child." I would not want them to be alone together and make a bigger mess out of the case than they already had.



I absolutely agree that he was there. I'm just talking about it in terms of evidence. I believe RS had more of a chance to plant reasonable doubt that Amanda did. I believe any defense attorney would have seen this?

 

[aa9511]

ITA. They were incapable of successfully staging the crime scene, especially when viewed by seasoned and trained investigators. You also made me think of something, conjecture to be sure, I haven't heard it before if it has already been said - and that is that AK went back to the apt. not to shower and dry her hair, but to try to cover more tracks, to try to eliminate more evidence. That would explain why the police said that she did not look or smell like a person who had just showered and dried her hair. It would only be further conjecture as to why RS didn't accompany her when she went back. Then they ran out of time when the phones were found.

Yes, I do not think she took a shower or did any of the things she claimed to have done in her morning cottage story. ITA.

 

[otto]

Thank you. I see the double image clearly in those pics. I also see that it is very clearly the shape of a butcher knife, and nothing like the slim shape of a pocket knife. I do not know how a pocket knife can be confused with that shape. JMO.

It is a very accurate analysis of the knife blood stain on the sheet. There's little doubt that the knife does line up if it is put in the correct location on the blood stain.

It's easy to put the knife in the wrong location and claim that it doesn't fit. That is no pocket knife.

 

[otto]

Otto, do you by any chance know the width of the outline of the knife in that imprint? IMO, it would be very easy to rule out a pocket knife....all one needs to do is compare that width to the width of a standard pocket knife. The shape looks nothing like shape of a pocket knife. I would assume measurements would be able to clearly confirm that.

Width
(based on using the ruler to compare measurement)

The blade is 3 cm ... 2.54 cm/inch
The stain 2.6 cm ... roughly an inch

 

[aa9511]

It is a very accurate analysis of the knife blood stain on the sheet. There's little doubt that the knife does line up if it is put in the correct location on the blood stain.

It's easy to put the knife in the wrong location and claim that it doesn't fit and that is no pocket knife.

Yes. On top of that, the fact that it looked so rough and worn on the first part of it. On top of that, Meredith's DNA on tip. On top of that, Amanda's DNA on groove of handle. Even though it was RS's knife.

But yet, so easy for people to just toss aside the knife evidence because, as I've heard before, why would Amanda and RS put in back in their drawer? And for that, discount all of the other evidence and circumstances of the knife. Necessarily, if one believes in their innocence, then that knife cannot be a murder weapon. So, then, it is required to start putting interpretations on the knife which fit that scenario of innocence.

I also do not know why it is so hard to believe they would put the knife back in the drawer. If I had a bloody knife from a murder, would I want to toss it out in Perugia and risk someone finding it, covered with Meredith's blood and possibly having my DNA on it? Or would I want to clean it and try to remove the evidence? After I clean it, where do I put it? Do I throw it out on my front lawn? Do I throw it out somewhere, to where someone might find it and bring it to a police station? Even if clean, do I want the murder weapon out somewhere available for someone to find? Do I lay it out flat on top of the kitchen counter for anyone to see first thing walking into the house? Like a decoration piece? Or do I just place it back where it belongs, where it is not noticeable, nothing "out of the ordinary?"

Also, they did not consider RS's place to be a crime scene. I don't think they ever even imagined that investigators would come and look over RS's place. It is possible that they thought RS would not even be suspected, as he was separate from Amanda and he did not have access to the house. The first person to be suspected, if "burglar" wasn't believed, would be someone who had access to the house, that person would be Amanda since all the other roomates were gone.

 

[otto]

Yes. On top of that, the fact that it looked so rough and worn on the first part of it. On top of that, Meredith's DNA on tip. On top of that, Amanda's DNA on groove of handle. Even though it was RS's knife.

But yet, so easy for people to just toss aside the knife evidence because, as I've heard before, why would Amanda and RS put in back in their drawer? And for that, discount all of the other evidence and circumstances of the knife. Necessarily, if one believes in their innocence, then that knife cannot be a murder weapon. So, then, it is required to start putting interpretations on the knife which fit that scenario of innocence.

There's a grove in the knife. The DNA was found in a grove, a spot that was missed in the bleaching of the knife.

Raffaele Sollecito's DNA should have been found on his knife. It wasn't. Instead, Knox's prints were found on the handle, her DNA was found where the handle meets the blade, and Meredith's DNA was found in a grove on the blade.

When Sollecito was presented with evidence of the victim's DNA on the knife, he concocted a story, most likely hoping that Meredith was as wayward as Knox and that know one would be the wiser. He was wrong, he was caught in a lie, and if he wrote in his book that he actually brought the knife to the cottage to cook on some other occasion, he is still concocting stories; lying.