Amanda Knox found guilty for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy #16

[ShadyLady]

Didn't Casey's judge comment on case. Why can't they comment?

 

[aa9511]

That TOD estimate was based on the body temperature of the victim taken over 24 hours after she died. Such an estimate could be off by 6 to 8 hours in either direction.

In a normal person, a meal starts to pass from the stomach in three hours or less. This indicates a TOD before 9:30, still consistent with the estimate based on body temperature. The early TOD also gets around other problems with the prosecution theory. It explains why Meredith did not try to call her mother again after the connection at 8:56 failed. It explains why she was still wearing her jacket when she was attacked. It explains why she didn't take her wet clothes out of the washing machine. It explains why she hadn't opened the book she borrowed to study that night.

The prosecution explained the failed calls around 10 pm as Meredith playing with the buttons on her phone. Does that make sense for someone Meredith's age?

The early TOD also explains the connection via a different cell tower at 10:13 pm. Rudy is heading home, but taking a path outside the city walls. He doesn't want to be seen leaving the area of the cottage at that time.

The witnesses in the car that broke down directly across the street from the cottage reported it as dark and quiet from about 10:30 to 11:15. Their friends parked in the cottage driveway confirmed that, as did the tow truck driver. That makes sense if Meredith is already dead, we don't have to explain why she is sitting in the dark.

Ok, let's take your TOD. Let's say there is another case where the suspect in a case turns off their cell phone VERY SHORTLY before the time the victim in the case is thought to have been murdered. Would that not raise the hinky-meter just a little bit?

 

[minazoe]

There are certain drugs out there that could cause overt sexuality and violence...just sayin...

Why is it that they would turn off the phones? Well if RS father was calling hourly? Was anyone calling AK? For sex? To sleep?

You turn the ringers off...were they trying to preserve a charge, because they had no chargers with them? If so why not? Weren't they at the apartment?

Did they turn off the phones so they would not ping?

Bad seeds...or the stupidest innocents I have ever seen.

 

[aa9511]

Here's my :twocents: regarding Nancy Grace's LACK of coverage on this case ... fwiw ... lol:

IMO, the networks -- via the PR machine -- :silenced: her.

Nancy hardly ever "bites her tongue" ... she "speaks her mind" ... is very direct, to the point of being "obnoxious" at times.

SPECULATION ONLY: JMO, but I think she came to an "agreement" so to speak with HLN :

My guess : she was not going to "tow the FOA line" because she believes Knox and Raf are guilty...

So in turn, the network told her okay, but YOU, Nancy, cannot discuss this case at all on your show ...

KWIM ?

So she says nothing ... which is a tragedy because whether you like her or not, she does have the biggest audience at HLN -- and -- she can be very influential, IYKWIM?

JMO and :moo:

Oh, great analysis. And wouldn't her supporters (viewers) "forgive" her even if she disagrees with them on just this one case? So I totally see where you are coming from.

 

[SMK]

Didn't Casey's judge comment on case. Why can't they comment?

Yes, he did - but in Italy they are supposed to wait until they have published their Motivations Report.

The commission in Italy who voted unanimously to investigate Nencini, say he violated legal codes and showed bias, by saying Sollecito would have done better to testify, and by saying that Knox being let off work for the evening led to the crime. (this revealed what would be in the Motivation report).

I for one am just baffled that he would have committed such a faux pas at such a crucial moment.

 

[aa9511]

Didn't Casey's judge comment on case. Why can't they comment?

They can comment, but I think he should have waited. I think Judge Perry, Casey's judge, didn't speak out until this past fall sometime, IIRC? In Nencini's case, he did it the day after! :banghead:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Didn't Casey's judge comment on case. Why can't they comment?

:seeya: Yes, but Judge Perry waited a while before he commented ...

:twocents: I remember the "look" on Judge Perry's face when he was reading the Verdict Form BEFORE the Verdict was read ...

And IMO, it was telling ...


Now in this case, IIRC, Judge Hellman commented on his verdict shortly after it was rendered ...

:moo:

 

[SMK]

They can comment, but I think he should have waited. I think Judge Perry, Casey's judge, didn't speak out until this past fall sometime, IIRC? In Nencini's case, he did it the day after! :banghead:

It is infuriating and inexplicable. :furious:

This Nencini predicament is horrible, and was utterly avoidable.

Not only is the verdict in jeopardy, but he has given a massive boost to defense appeals, when his ruling would have sailed through the Supreme Court.

I believe this is so serious that we should have a thread opened to follow the Nencini affair, as all hinges on this.

Look at this:

..."Four members of Italy's center-right political party, Forza Italia, have called into question Judge Nencini's ability to render unbiased judgments. The four - Nicolo Zanon, Alberto Albertoni, Filiberto Palumbo, Bartolomeo Romano - have asked a judicial oversight body to investigate "a serious lack of impartiality" by Nencini in the Kercher case.

One Italian publication described "clouds are gathering" over Nencini. The most serious lightning bolt in those "clouds" could be Italy's Justice Minister Annamaria Cancellieri. She has begun a preliminary inquiry into Judge Nencini's behavior in the Kercher case vis-à-vis Italy's code of ethics. It has left, what one Italian commentator calls, "a sinister picture of the Italian justice system."

Judge Nencini's predicament isn't helped by the fact the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France has raised questions about the impartiality of Italian justices. Being a member of the European Union, Italy has ceded final authority over its judicial proceedings to the Court of Human Rights. It can throw out any Italian judge's ruling.

So what did Judge Nencini do that got him in so much hot water?

He broke character. By his own estimate, the Judge had not given an interview to the media in 30 years. ..."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/italian...nd-raffaele-sollecito-under-fire-for-remarks/

HADN'T GIVEN AN INTERVIEW TO MEDIA IN 30 YEARS, AND CHOOSES TO DO SO JUST AFTER A MAJOR VERDICT IN A GLOBALLY WATCHED CRIMINAL CASE???????????:furious: :furious: :trainwreck:

 

[aa9511]

There are certain drugs out there that could cause overt sexuality and violence...just sayin...

Why is it that they would turn off the phones? Well if RS father was calling hourly? Was anyone calling AK? For sex? To sleep?

You turn the ringers off...were they trying to preserve a charge, because they had no chargers with them? If so why not? Weren't they at the apartment?

Did they turn off the phones so they would not ping?

Bad seeds...or the stupidest innocents I have ever seen.

There is some connection of the cell phones turning off to the murder, I am sure of it. What exactly that connection is, I don't know yet.

Here is my theory:

Amanda finds out she doesn't have to go to work. That girl Jovana cancels plans to take her to the airport. So now they are free, just like Nencini said in his interview banghead.

IMO, they had planned a prank for the night before, (reason Amanda was calling Meredith's phone so many times - wanted to know when she'd be home), but they didn't get the chance that night b/c Meredith was out till late with her friends. So IMO they already had this prank idea thought out from the night before.

So suddenly, they are free for the night. They're like, oh awesome, let's go do that prank on Meredith - this is our chance (excited, excited)!! I don't have to go to work, and we don't have to drop Jovana off, and Meredith's prob. gonna be coming home soon - let's go!

They already had their "gear" together from the night before - masks, gloves, dark clothes, etc..

They turn their cell phones off, so that when they do the prank on Meredith, or perhaps while they're waiting for Meredith to come inside, the phones don't ring and ruin the whole plan.

JMO.

 

[Footwarrior]

That's very interesting. But IMO RS and Amanda were together because they both turned their cell phones off at the same time. In the above scenarios, they wouldn't need to coordinate their cell phones.

The idea that two young lovers might not want to be disturbed seems to be lost on this crowd.

 

[aa9511]

There are certain drugs out there that could cause overt sexuality and violence...just sayin...

Why is it that they would turn off the phones? Well if RS father was calling hourly? Was anyone calling AK? For sex? To sleep?

You turn the ringers off...were they trying to preserve a charge, because they had no chargers with them? If so why not? Weren't they at the apartment?

Did they turn off the phones so they would not ping?

Bad seeds...or the stupidest innocents I have ever seen.

Also, I'd like to add further to my last post regarding their cell phones being off.

So, Meredith is murdered, however that happened (whether accidental or escalation).

You would think that they would want to turn on their cell phones after they get back to RS place, in order to help with their alibi. (see, see...we were at home, see, see....I called so-and-so).

But they could not turn their cell phones on, because if they turned their cell phones on, what would you have? You would have their cell phones off for a brief period of time - coinciding exactly with a period of time around which Meredith was murdered. So what they did is, they left their cell phones off. Then they turned them back on again in the morning-time, when it would make sense that someone would turn them back on again after turning them off for "the night." So that was their answer to the cell phone problem, yet they still could not get around the fact that they still had to lie and say they were sleeping until 10 or 10:30.

Further, their cell phones having been turned off, was the reason they did not turn off Meredith's cell phones before dumping them. Because then you would have 3 people's cell phones turned off at the same time - RS, Amanda's, and Meredith's. Coincidentally, in guilt scenario, murderers and victim. They didn't want that connection to be made from anyone investigating. So therefore, that is why they didn't do the obvious thing, which would be to turn off Meredith's cell phones before dumping them.

 

[aa9511]

The idea that two young lovers might not want to be disturbed seems to be lost on this crowd.

It's precisely because they are young that it makes no sense that they would turn off their cell phones for a whole night.

Young people never turn off their cell phones.

This generation does not need peace and quiet for love-making, if it requires turning off their cell phones.

 

[aa9511]

Also I would say that I don't think it would be called "love-making" in RS and Amanda's case, as I don't think there was any love involved. Young people don't turn off cell phones to have sex.

 

[SMK]

Extradition Italian Style: Knock, Knock, Knocking On Amanda Knox's Door

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insider...le-knock-knock-knocking-on-amanda-knoxs-door/

 

[Myvice]

There is some connection of the cell phones turning off to the murder, I am sure of it. What exactly that connection is, I don't know yet.

Here is my theory:

Amanda finds out she doesn't have to go to work. That girl Jovana cancels plans to take her to the airport. So now they are free, just like Nencini said in his interview banghead.

IMO, they had planned a prank for the night before, (reason Amanda was calling Meredith's phone so many times - wanted to know when she'd be home), but they didn't get the chance that night b/c Meredith was out till late with her friends. So IMO they already had this prank idea thought out from the night before.

So suddenly, they are free for the night. They're like, oh awesome, let's go do that prank on Meredith - this is our chance (excited, excited)!! I don't have to go to work, and we don't have to drop Jovana off, and Meredith's prob. gonna be coming home soon - let's go!

They already had their "gear" together from the night before - masks, gloves, dark clothes, etc..

They turn their cell phones off, so that when they do the prank on Meredith, or perhaps while they're waiting for Meredith to come inside, the phones don't ring and ruin the whole plan.

JMO.

ITA with the prank being planned beforehand.

MK had chosen to spend Halloween with her English girlfriends instead of with AK. Ak had to do something "spectacular" to compete for MK's attention. They had gotten their costumes ready and no one would miss those clothes because they hadn't been seen in them before. She wanted to make it a night no one would forget. She wanted them to know how American girls party.

I don't think RS commenting on how cute MK looked in her boyfriends jeans helped in the matter.

Also, regarding TOD, there were mushrooms and other things in the fridge. Who's to say she didn't want a snack before bed? Wasn't there a mushroom that had not been digested at all?

 

[aa9511]

ITA with the prank being planned beforehand.

MK had chosen to spend Halloween with her English girlfriends instead of with AK. Ak had to do something "spectacular" to compete for MK's attention. They had gotten their costumes ready and no one would miss those clothes because they hadn't been seen in them before. She wanted to make it a night no one would forget. She wanted them to know how American girls party.

I don't think RS commenting on how cute MK looked in her boyfriends jeans helped in the matter.

Also, regarding TOD, there were mushrooms and other things in the fridge. Who's to say she didn't want a snack before bed? Wasn't there a mushroom that had not been digested at all?

If someone can connect the cell phones turning off to the murder, it would answer some questions about how everything went down, IMO. Turning them off suggests that that is when they were going to put their plan into action. It has something to do with the plan, otherwise it would have no connection to the murder.

 

[Footwarrior]

Ok, let's take your TOD. Let's say there is another case where the suspect in a case turns off their cell phone VERY SHORTLY before the time the victim in the case is thought to have been murdered. Would that not raise the hinky-meter just a little bit?

If Meredith died before 9:30 pm, cell phones are irrelevant. The evidence shows a video being started at 9:24 pm at Raffele's apartment.

The assumption that only someone planning a murder would turn off their cell phone is rather strange. I turned mine off yesterday when I walked into the library. Does that make me a considerate person or a diabolical criminal?

 

[Amber29]

The idea that two young lovers might not want to be disturbed seems to be lost on this crowd.

You're right because simply turning the ringers off would've sufficed if that was the case.

 

[TorisMom003]

If someone can connect the cell phones turning off to the murder, it would answer some questions about how everything went down, IMO. Turning them off suggests that that is when they were going to put their plan into action. It has something to do with the plan, otherwise it would have no connection to the murder.

Turning the ringers off, while leaving the cell phones at the apartment would have worked if AK and RS left the apartment to go and kill (or prank) Meredith. No need to actually turn the cell phones off completely unless they truly didn't want to be disturbed. Even a phone with the ringer off is going to vibrate and gain attention. IMO to much is being placed on not only the cell phones of AK and RS but also their behavior after Meredith was found. It appears that since the other, physical, evidence is so weak that much more importance is placed on things that simply do not point towards actual guilt.

MOO

 

[LinasK]

There are certain drugs out there that could cause overt sexuality and violence...just sayin...

Why is it that they would turn off the phones? Well if RS father was calling hourly? Was anyone calling AK? For sex? To sleep?

You turn the ringers off...were they trying to preserve a charge, because they had no chargers with them? If so why not? Weren't they at the apartment?

Did they turn off the phones so they would not ping?

Bad seeds...or the stupidest innocents I have ever seen.

A guy who killed his parents in my area was convicted recently based mainly on the 30 hours he had his phone turned off. First for him. Long enough to drive here from So. Cal, murder his parents and drive back.