Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#10

[redheadedgal]

IMO the book came out too early, and should have waited for the Court of Cassation to sign off before being released.

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her life had been ruled by all things italian for years when she got her book deal... why should one more day be wasted waiting on more things italian... especially if she is innocent?

and what is wrong with wanting to tell one's story? wanting to pay back monies owed?

i just don't see the argument being put forth...

 

[SMK]

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her life had been ruled by all things italian for years when she got her book deal... why should one more day be wasted waiting on more things italian... especially if she is innocent?

and what is wrong with wanting to tell one's story? wanting to pay back monies owed?

i just don't see the argument being put forth...

OK. I guess it doesn't matter then if the book came out early. I just thought the process was still ongoing, and hadn't been finalized so to me that meant the timing was off. I never said there was anything wrong with her wanting to tell her story.

 

[redheadedgal]

she was acquitted, back home, in school, moving on with her life, with the thought that the horrible chapter of her life was over... it was the perfect time for a book imo.

 

[redheadedgal]

It is not bizarre at all to me. Anyway, she did not do what the truly innocent people did, either. She did not leave town like her roomates did. So if people are saying she is innocent because she stayed, then that does not match what the innocent people did, either.

IIRC, dempsey said the british girls left b/c they were "terrified" that someone was targeting british girls... obviously this doesn't apply to amanda...

 

[SMK]

she was acquitted, back home, in school, moving on with her life, with the thought that the horrible chapter of her life was over... it was the perfect time for a book imo.

Okie. It was the perfect time for a book.

 

[redheadedgal]

Okie. It was the perfect time for a book.

in my opinion, yes


any other thoughts about her book? you do bring up good/interesting points for discussion (as i've said before) -- thanks!!

:seeya:

 

[SMK]

I have a question about the witness Quintavalle for the few here who are open to the guilt of the defendants (those who are not will simply dismiss Quintavalle).

As they say, the devil is in the details, and if Q is a reliable witness, it would mean that Amanda lied about leaving Raffaelle's at 10-10:30 am, and was up and out hours earlier, which would be a strong indicator of deception.

Marco Quintavalle found it unusual for someone to be waiting for his shop to open on a national holiday, and was struck by Knox's pale complexion and light blue eyes. He said he had seen her in his shop before with Sollecito, and that he had greeted her and she ignored him. He pointed out Knox as the girl he had seen on the early morning of Nov 2 in court, and Amanda did not refute this.


My questions are:

1. Do you think Q is a reliable witness?

2. Why would Amanda need to buy cleaning supplies, as it was reported that containers , still sealed, of bleach were found at Sollecito's apt. So she had access to these - why would she have needed to go to Q's shop?

 

[SMK]

in my opinion, yes


any other thoughts about her book? you do bring up good/interesting points for discussion (as i've said before) -- thanks!!

:seeya:

Well, I must admit that I find her descriptions of being jailed, and being put in prison, to be very starkly moving. Her thoughts of suicide while contemplating a 26 year sentence were very sad.

Also moving were her reflections on her younger self: Her passport picture, the photo of her being led to her arrest. Her naivete , her ignorance viewed by her older self in retrospect - all were compelling and sympathetic.

And yes, I found myself questioning....questioning...... :tears:

 

[Amber29]

Okie. It was the perfect time for a book.

Would've been fine IMO had she not embellished the story. Instead she decided to add things in her book that goes against the evidence. Which is fine for readers who don't know better. All it does for people familiar with the case that believe in guilt is make them have more questions.

I'm sure her lawyers had informed her before the book was written that the process was long from over. Or maybe this was just another thing AK can claim ignorance of as an excuse.

 

[Amber29]

Amber, I'm not sure if you saw my post a few pages back I'm interested to know if you agree with Crini they left Raffaele's apartment after trying to watch a cartoon at 9.26pm and arrived at the cottage by 9.31pm? Did they find Guede there and the murder sex orgy happened in 30 minutes?

What in your opinion made them want to leave Raffaele's apartment after loading a cartoon on his computer?

I don't know exactly what Crini said but Amelia ending at 9:26 and something else crashing on RSs comp does not need human interaction.

 

[Amber29]

I have a question about the witness Quintavalle for the few here who are open to the guilt of the defendants (those who are not will simply dismiss Quintavalle).

As they say, the devil is in the details, and if Q is a reliable witness, it would mean that Amanda lied about leaving Raffaelle's at 10-10:30 am, and was up and out hours earlier, which would be a strong indicator of deception.

Marco Quintavalle found it unusual for someone to be waiting for his shop to open on a national holiday, and was struck by Knox's pale complexion and light blue eyes. He said he had seen her in his shop before with Sollecito, and that he had greeted her and she ignored him. He pointed out Knox as the girl he had seen on the early morning of Nov 2 in court, and Amanda did not refute this.


My questions are:

1. Do you think Q is a reliable witness?

2. Why would Amanda need to buy cleaning supplies, as it was reported that containers , still sealed, of bleach were found at Sollecito's apt. So she had access to these - why would she have needed to go to Q's shop?

Yes I think he's reliable.

I don't know why she went in there that day, perhaps looking for something she thought they would have. I think his testimony when paired with RSs 530 comp activity and 6am phone turn on proves they were not sleeping.
Maybe she realized she may be recognized and left with nothing for that reason. I don't know.
This is my opinion.

 

[SMK]

Yes I think he's reliable.

I don't know why she went in there that day, perhaps looking for something she thought they would have. I think his testimony when paired with RSs 530 comp activity and 6am phone turn on proves they were not sleeping.
Maybe she realized she may be recognized and left with nothing for that reason. I don't know.
This is my opinion.

Thanks. I think you're right that is does seem to coincide with the computer and phone activity.

 

[SMK]

Would've been fine IMO had she not embellished the story. Instead she decided to add things in her book that goes against the evidence. Which is fine for readers who don't know better. All it does for people familiar with the case that believe in guilt is make them have more questions.

I'm sure her lawyers had informed her before the book was written that the process was long from over. Or maybe this was just another thing AK can claim ignorance of as an excuse.

BBM - Interesting. Can you list a few of these? I am not always quick on the uptake while reading, and may have missed a few things (for instance with other books I have read, then later I read someone's analysis, and realized a few things escaped me. ) thanks

 

[Amber29]

Patrick lived there. He had his family (wife and kids) there and he owned a business there. The other three did not live there, full time. One was a drifter that had no real place to live at all (RG). One was a student from the US. One was a student from another part of the country. Of the four Patrick had close ties and conections with people that lived and worked in the area, people that could and would stand up to support him in his wrongful imprisonment.

I don't believe that Mignini just doesn't want to admit to any mistakes. I believe that it goes much deeper than that. It appears, to me, that he has some issues with how he perceives things. When a case presents itself that is really rather straightforward, he appears to instead prefer that case to have a more sinister unbelievable explaination instead. One does rely on their past in how they see things. In Mignini's case perhaps he has let his past (and what he has seen as a child) to color how sees everything around him.

MOO

RG was not homeless. He had an apartment just down the road from RS. It was searched by the police as well. Drifter comes from his raising IMO. He had lived in Perugia since he was a child, went to school there, and played on a local basketball team. He probably had just as many ties locally at PL if not more, he had lived there longer.

I'm not defending him here, just want facts straight.

 

[Amber29]

BBM - Interesting. Can you list a few of these? I am not always quick on the uptake while reading, and may have missed a few things (for instance with other books I have read, then later I read someone's analysis, and realized a few things escaped me. ) thanks

I have not read her book, only seen some that's been posted.

The "first call" to mom is what stands out to me though. She decided in her book to include a detailed call to her mom that supposedly was made before she called anyone that morning. This is a lie, there was no call to her mom before Filomena.

Now this call debate has always been an issue between guilty/innocent opinions.
It makes it worse IMO that now AK tries to make something up to fit the timeline and make that call to her mother make sense. She was right a call at that time to her mother would've made perfect sense, only she didn't make that call.

I'd love to go through her book and find more of these but I won't buy it.

 

[MichaelSmith]

I don't know exactly what Crini said but Amelia ending at 9:26 and something else crashing on RSs comp does not need human interaction.

Crini said a cartoon was loaded on Raffaele's computer at 9.26pm and that's when they left his apartment and arrived at the cottage 9.31pm

The 500 foot crater with this scenario is Guede is already at the cottage by his own admission and seen on CCTV and said the murder was over by 9.20pm

Why would they leave his apartment in the first place all because a cartoon crashed (except it didn't)?

 

[SMK]

I have not read her book, only seen some that's been posted.

The "first call" to mom is what stands out to me though. She decided in her book to include a detailed call to her mom that supposedly was made before she called anyone that morning. This is a lie, there was no call to her mom before Filomena.

Now this call debate has always been an issue between guilty/innocent opinions.
It makes it worse IMO that now AK tries to make something up to fit the timeline and make that call to her mother make sense. She was right a call at that time to her mother would've made perfect sense, only she didn't make that call.

I'd love to go through her book and find more of these but I won't buy it.

Well, my son took it out from the library, and then I "borrowed" it from him

OK, yes, I do see that. ( I have the tendency when reading to begin to view things the way the author wants me to , so I have a difficult time being objective. ) She does make the call to Mom seem so natural that I didn't even notice it didn't coincide with the timeline.

I did note that her scooting along with the bathmat had been omitted from the text.

 

[Amber29]

Crini said a cartoon was loaded on Raffaele's computer at 9.26pm and that's when they left his apartment and arrived at the cottage 9.31pm

The 500 foot crater with this scenario is Guede is already at the cottage by his own admission and seen on CCTV and said the murder was over by 9.20pm

Why would they leave his apartment in the first place all because a cartoon crashed (except it didn't)?

Does the link you provided not say "then there is the crash of Neruto" after Amelia ended at 9:26?

What does this mean?

 

[Amber29]

Well, my son took it out from the library, and then I "borrowed" it from him

OK, yes, I do see that. ( I have the tendency when reading to begin to view things the way the author wants me to , so I have a difficult time being objective. ) She does make the call to Mom seem so natural that I didn't even notice it didn't coincide with the timeline.

I did note that her scooting along with the bathmat had been omitted from the text.

Yes I would probably leave that out as well, seemed quite ridiculous to me. Considering in her email about that morning iirc she said she undressed in her room,seems hard to forget your towel when you had to walk naked to the bathroom in the first place.

 

[MichaelSmith]

Does the link you provided not say "then there is the crash of Neruto" after Amelia ended at 9:26?

What does this mean?

Ameile ended 9.10pm and the cartoon was opened 9.26pm. Crini is not contesting they were still at Raffaele's place at 9.26pm.... a time when the murder was over and Guede was already at the cottage.